EV Digest 5446
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Article 625
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: Sanden Electric Compressor - was DIY air-conditioning
by "Grigg. John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Article 625
by Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: EV Charging station
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Article 625
by Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Article 625
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: Article 625
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: High Voltage Nationals
by Meta Bus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) RE: Tribeca Film Fellows: Meet the Next Generation of Filmmakers
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: EV Charging station - invention disclosure
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: Article 625
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: High Voltage Nationals
by "Pestka, Dennis J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: Tribeca Film Fellows: Meet the Next Generation of Filmmakers
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: NiCD's to be banned in Europe
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Conversion Class
by Bill & Nancy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: High Voltage Nationals
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
17) Re: Gun Engine?
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Xebra
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: NiCD's to be banned in Europe
by "Shawn Rutledge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: EV Charging station
by Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Gun Engine?
by "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Nick Austin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Article 625
> Are the 625 requirements more extreme then this?
>
> Are the AVcon units really up to spec?
>
> Thanks!
>
Nope!... But they are logical... and work.
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
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I bought a partially converted vehicle and it just came with the
purchase. I have no idea where the previous owner got the Sanden Unit.
I sent him an e-mail yesterday so I will reply back when he responds...
John Grigg
>Bryan Wrote:
> Wow, looks like a fun toy. Where did you acquire that thing and are
there any more available? :-) I tried finding a source for one of those
sanden electric a/c compressors a couple years ago and never had any
luck. Masterflux makes an electric A/C compressor also, but as I recall
is quite expensive. Any other alternatives out there?
-Bryan
Christopher Zach wrote:
> Grigg. John wrote:
>
>> Will we are on the topic of Sanden Compressors; I have acquired a
>> Electric Sanden unit(new in box) originally from the electric Ford
>> Ranger. It came with the motor controller, computer module,
>> electrical schematic, and compressor unit.
>> http://www.sanden.com/products/electric.html
>>
>> My only issue is finding the right plumbing for it and how-to plumb
it.
>> Does anyone have any diagrams on this unit? I have already tried to
>> contact Sanden but they never return my calls.
>
>
> That looks a lot like it. I'd say take this to your local friendly AC
> shop and ask them for some advice. Paying them for the advice is also
> a good idea :-)
>
> Seriously, you need lines and hoses to connect that, your evaporator,
> condenser, and dryer. Having it powered by 300 volts is most of the
> battle.
>
> Chris
>
>
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On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:33:47AM -0700, Rich Rudman wrote:
> The part I love about NEC Art 625 is the page and half devoted to extracting
> Hydrogen gas and fumes. 1000s of CFM of airflow are required... And Well a
> well designed AGM charger won't vent ANY
> Gas... and any other OEM battery pack is also zero emmission in that aspect.
Is this required for sealed batteries as well?
The install manual with my AVcon has 2 pages of fan installation instructions.
It does say that sealed batteries do not require the fans. Also, it wont charge
a flooded car if it tells you that it's flooded through the avcon digital
interface.
Also how does SAE J1772 fit into this?
> Basicly the Inspector has the ability to toss it out and use what parts
> of it are Logical and prudent.
Wow, this seems horrible.
A standard that is going to be applied differently by different people,
depending
on the weather.
What if you need your charge station re-certified in the future by a different
inspector? Crazy.
>
> And that's using Welding cable not some custom imprinted made for EVs
> cable.
I truly do not understand this requirement, seems so arbitrary.
> When you read it it certailly looks like a bunch of inspectors were trying
> to apply almost unknown but possible restrictions to what should be as
> simple as plugging in your welder or RV.
Wasn't this document for the environment where there are 100s of 1000s of
chargers installed all over the US with grandma plugging them in?
The strange "EV" only cable requirement not withstanding, most of these
things seem like a good idea right?
I guess the fact that Rich does not seem to like anything about this document
indicates that I don't really have a full grasp of why this is bad.
Rich definitely knows more then me about making chargers :)
> Like Why do we need to have the DC side Cable marked ":for EV uses only"
Agreed 100%, why is this? It makes no sense to me.
> Care to guess what it would cost to have Carol Cable make a custom imprinted
> cable???
Just custom imprinted, is that the only difference?
Strange.
> I am sure the 625 can be used to club to death any honest attempt at a high
> power charging station...if the inspector... Wishes.
Based on the cable requirement? Or just all the details?
Does 625 regulate Level III charging?
> Clearly I have read it......It's prbably respnosible for the last 20 MM of
> my blood pressure.
Doe!
Thanks!
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One... I am doing a Level 3 plus charger port. speced to 700 amps, and not
more than 600 volts DC.
I started with a Anderson Power Products SBE-700, That is EV cert at 1961 or
something like that. So.. it is already pretty much Ready to go.
The SBEs have 10 Aux low level 20 amp contacts. These will be the RegBuss
with Evil buss. And low level interlocks that will drive the " battery
interface" controls.
The interface controls will allow:
voltage sense
polarity sense
Cold make/break of the main contacts
Ground static bleed off( Since the Monster charge is totally
isolated...I don't need 700 amp paths for grounds)
This is a totally over kill connector and latch/ejector system.
But not at the levels that My client Dreams of attaining....
But it certainly gets your attention that I am Not fooling around with
connectors. It's $480 a pair. And already speced as a EV port.
The propriatary stuff is because to meet the letter of Nec 625 you almost
have to have one off cables and connectors. You put that much time and money
on a interconnect system,
and you want to protect your investment.
I Wanna charge Car and LOTS of them!! I fully intend to publish the pin
outs.
There be 10 Aux pins in a SBE-700
6 will be the Manzanita Micro Reg buss.
One will be EV chassis Ground.
3 are left open...
Feel free to type up the pin out.... or I will.....
The main contacts are clearly IDed as + and -.
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
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From: "Jeff Shanab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:32 PM
Subject: RE: EV Charging station
> Ok, in light of article 625, why don't we create our own. I know about
> plastics and a lot of procesing, Who knows what it takes to get
> approval? I think article 625 has some great stuff in it, can we update
> the amperage from the avcon and minimize the post side electronics?
>
> Lets create an open standard then, forget the proprietery stuff. Or
> maybe we should contact avcon and see how they feel about the market,
> are they burning off stock? willing to open it as a standard? willing to
> sell of tooling? What is in tht little box? it seems that the box side
> costs are kinda a damper on avcon.
>
> How about we use the anderson with the aux contacts and block off 2 or 3
> holes in our own EV specific pattern
> You could by the connector, but when you crimp and install the pins ini
> the aux, they must match the EVList ev1.2.1a standard or whatever.
> Again, how do we prove compliance?
>
> What would fill this gap.
> personaly, I see 32A of 240 as just fine, but I only have a pfc20 and a
> 9kwh pack
>
>
> If I remember, the NEC codes comes out every so many years, When is the
> next cycle?
>
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On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:44:53AM -0700, Rich Rudman wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Austin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Are the 625 requirements more extreme then this?
> >
> > Are the AVcon units really up to spec?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>
> Nope!... But they are logical... and work.
So make sure I have my install certified on Friday when inspector B is working,
else I may be rejected with an AVcon install?
Crazy.
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I have not read SAEJ1772
I suppose I should.
The whole part and it's a major part of the printed Article assumes that
you are charging flooded lead Acid. Like they swiped all the Golf cart and
Fork truck requirements and just slapped them on any possible EV.
Good question... having the inspector you need known and assigned to your
project... would be prudent.
Gramma can plug in the RV... She should be also capable of plugging in her
EV.. with the same level of saftey. Two hots and a ground, That's it!
The whole document has a really strange feel to it. Like the You Shall do
this and that, and it's not a totally accepted article. Then it launches off
into Fan CFMs and other periferal requirements that say, who ever wrote it
was grouping for ideas.. It has a half assed feel that says they wanted to
be the ONE IN CONTROL.. but they may not be, since almost all Ev stuff is
not covered.
So.. it really doesn't come across as a really well thought out document.
This if course fuels that paranoia that it was written to lock in GM's
Magnachargers.. and lock out anybody else's attempts.
Well I see a LOT of my life being eaten up batteling Spec's menship for the
sake of covering some inspector's Arse.
We got around it at my shop... But.....some where's out there is a the wrong
inspector... and a high visability Install from Hell.
Him knowing about my stint on Monster Garage... won't be of any
help...that's for sure.
Madman
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From: "Nick Austin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Article 625
> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:33:47AM -0700, Rich Rudman wrote:
> > The part I love about NEC Art 625 is the page and half devoted to
extracting
> > Hydrogen gas and fumes. 1000s of CFM of airflow are required... And Well
a
> > well designed AGM charger won't vent ANY
> > Gas... and any other OEM battery pack is also zero emmission in that
aspect.
>
> Is this required for sealed batteries as well?
>
> The install manual with my AVcon has 2 pages of fan installation
instructions.
> It does say that sealed batteries do not require the fans. Also, it wont
charge
> a flooded car if it tells you that it's flooded through the avcon digital
> interface.
>
> Also how does SAE J1772 fit into this?
>
> > Basicly the Inspector has the ability to toss it out and use what parts
> > of it are Logical and prudent.
>
> Wow, this seems horrible.
>
> A standard that is going to be applied differently by different people,
depending
> on the weather.
>
> What if you need your charge station re-certified in the future by a
different
> inspector? Crazy.
>
> >
> > And that's using Welding cable not some custom imprinted made for EVs
> > cable.
>
> I truly do not understand this requirement, seems so arbitrary.
>
> > When you read it it certailly looks like a bunch of inspectors were
trying
> > to apply almost unknown but possible restrictions to what should be as
> > simple as plugging in your welder or RV.
>
> Wasn't this document for the environment where there are 100s of 1000s of
> chargers installed all over the US with grandma plugging them in?
>
> The strange "EV" only cable requirement not withstanding, most of these
> things seem like a good idea right?
>
> I guess the fact that Rich does not seem to like anything about this
document
> indicates that I don't really have a full grasp of why this is bad.
>
> Rich definitely knows more then me about making chargers :)
>
> > Like Why do we need to have the DC side Cable marked ":for EV uses only"
>
> Agreed 100%, why is this? It makes no sense to me.
>
> > Care to guess what it would cost to have Carol Cable make a custom
imprinted
> > cable???
>
> Just custom imprinted, is that the only difference?
> Strange.
>
> > I am sure the 625 can be used to club to death any honest attempt at a
high
> > power charging station...if the inspector... Wishes.
>
> Based on the cable requirement? Or just all the details?
>
> Does 625 regulate Level III charging?
>
> > Clearly I have read it......It's prbably respnosible for the last 20 MM
of
> > my blood pressure.
>
> Doe!
>
> Thanks!
>
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Rich Rudman wrote:
> Roger... you might want to reread some of it. They step over
> the line in a few places...
I'm sure you are right, but have you got the resources to battle NEC?
> Your description... makes my product and the Nec 625 in
> direct opposition.
>
> Something I don't think they intended.
Actually, I think it is exactly what they intended. As Lee suggests,
Art 625 was written to satisfy the desires of the OEM EV producers (of
the day), and you can bet they weren't at all interested in making it
easy for the little-guy charger manufacturer to make a living selling
charging stations for on-road EVs.
Cheers,
Roger.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all
<snip>
The motels are booked solid. Seems that the big oil refineries
here are undergoing a huge maintenance program for the summer. There are
2000 out of town workers that just came in and have taken all the rooms.
It's a conspiracy! Syriana! ExxonMobil is stalking NEDRA!
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Bob,
Two things really caught my eye:
> General Motors is a Signature Sponsor and the Official Vehicle Provider of
this year's Festival.
Do they know what the message of the movie is?
> (AMC 34st St) 11:30pm, Who Killed the Electric Car?
Why was it programmed at the end of the night?
This could make it difficult for people to travel to it, unless
you make it an overnighter.
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Behalf Of Bob Rice
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:11 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Fw: Tribeca Film Fellows: Meet the Next Generation of
Filmmakers
Untitled Document Hi EVerybody;
Heres the Trebeca Thing Linl. Have fun, the Who killed the Electric car
is buried in other cool stuff.Still time tio fly in from the coast<g>!
Seeya
Bob
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Subject: Tribeca Film Fellows: Meet the Next Generation of Filmmakers
Wednesday, May 4
Meet the Next Generation of Filmmakers
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keeps the rhythm going on its third day with performances
by John Mayer and others. Click here to see today's schedule.
TFF Today
Meet the Next Generation of Filmmakers:
The Tribeca Film Institute's Tribeca Film Fellows Program
brings 20 young people, ages 15-20, to the Festival for panels, screenings,
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Check out photos taken yesterday and throughout the 2006
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10:30am, Black Sun
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1:45pm, Mentor
4:30pm, Word.Life
5:00pm, A Stadium Story: The Battle for New York's Last Frontier
6:00pm, A Perfect Day
9:30pm, Crime Novel
11:30pm, Kill Your Darlings
11:45pm, First Snow
11:59pm, Too Tough to Die
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10:15am, Holiday Makers
10:30am, The Dignity of the Nobodies
10:45am, Golden Venture
11:00am, A Very Serious Person
11:15am, The Mist in the Palm Trees
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1:45pm, Tell Me Do You Miss Me
2:15pm, Sounds of Silence
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I guess its a persons perspective of safety. Here in the USA homes, and
most accessible outlets elsewhere (the ones with the "more standard"
outlet configurations,) have no more than 120vac with respect to earth.
Our domestic 240vac outlets are both 120vac ends of a center grounded
transformer secondary. I'd be wanting fancy "safer" connectors myself
if I was handling 230vac to earth. We generally play with 1/2 the
voltage!
Paul
On May 4, 2006, at 3:07 AM, Evan Tuer wrote:
It was interesting to read about the variety of different (weird, and
incredibly dangerous looking) mains connectors you have in the US.
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Rich Rudman wrote:
> Gramma can plug in the RV... She should be also capable of
> plugging in her EV.. with the same level of saftey. Two
> hots and a ground, That's it!
The arguable difference here is that gramma does not plug and unplug her
RV from shore power at least once daily, 365 days a year.
While it may be just as safe (or otherwise) to plug in an EV with the
same connector as an RV, the simple fact that it is going to be done
*much* more frequently greatly increases the probability of an accident.
Likewise, a connector that might last years on an RV might wear out and
present a fire hazard within a few weeks or months of use on a public
charging station.
I'm not a fan of Art 625, and don't want to be in a position of
defending it, but I do recognise that it is not unreasonable to have
safety concerns with regard to *public* charging stations that are
likely to be connected and disconnected several times a day, by people
with a wide variety of competence.
Cheers,
Roger.
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Is there any way for us spectators to get in early with the participants ?
I sure would like to meet some of the names I have been seeing on this list
over the years.
I would also like to get some close up pictures of the cars.
Thanks;
Dennis
Elsberry, MO
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 11:07 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: High Voltage Nationals
Hi all
Concerning camping. Yes, camping will be available at the track.
As far as where on the property and what facilities will be available
(washrooms, electricity, water, etc.) we don't know yet. Please respect the
facilities that you do get, as they have had problems in the past with
campers.
The motels are booked solid. Seems that the big oil refineries here
are undergoing a huge maintenance program for the summer. There are 2000
out of town workers that just came in and have taken all the rooms.
So if you did not have a motel reservation, you're probably out of luck.
You can always try on-line.
Here is what I know at this time. Gates open to spectators at 11:00
am. Participants and vendors can enter at 8:00 am. Racing begins about
noon. Prior to that there will be plenty of time for registration and tech
inspection. Track will close at 6:00 PM. Awards ceremony follows
immediately at the track. Then it's off to a pizza place (pay your own)
about a 1/2 mile from track for festivities & bench racing.
Check the web site after Sunday for the latest info.
See ya May 13th
John Emde
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.fveaa.org
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 09:15:42 -0400 "Doc Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> To all concerning tje campimg at the track.
> John Emde said he thought it would be okay but to check the website a
> week before the EVent to be sure. I. for one, am counting on it, Gypsy
> that I am.
>
> Doc, 'Mountain Lightning Team'
>
>
> On 5/4/06, Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone confirm if there is camping available at the track? I'm
> trying
> > to figure out how to get
> > there and camping would really help out. Are there still rooms
> available
> > at the Motel 6 for the
> > rate mentioned on the FVEAA web site? I trying to arrange to fly
> out and
> > rent a car, maybe I will
> > make it out.
> >
> > Dave Cover
> >
> > --- Bob Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Doc Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:52 AM
> > > Subject: Re: High Voltage Nationals
> > >
> > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > The 'Mountain Lightning Racing Team' will be camping out at
> the track
> > > > friday night and would be happy to babysit your bike.
> > > >
> > > > Doc Kennedy, a fellow E-Biker
> > > >
> > > Hi Doc;
> > >
> > > We can Camp out? Cool. I probably will too, in my trusty,
> rusty
> > ,Fraud
> > > Van, to savabuk, IF and when it makes it?!
> > >
> > > Seeya
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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I'm curious, how full have the WKTEC showings been? At the Sundance
film festival (where it debuted) the theatre was maybe 2/3 or 3/4
full (but it was an early morning showing, the afternoon and evening
showings may have been more full).
--- Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Two things really caught my eye:
> > General Motors is a Signature Sponsor and the Official Vehicle
> Provider of
> this year's Festival.
> Do they know what the message of the movie is?
>
> > (AMC 34st St) 11:30pm, Who Killed the Electric Car?
> Why was it programmed at the end of the night?
> This could make it difficult for people to travel to it, unless
> you make it an overnighter.
>
> Have fun,
>
> Cor van de Water
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Bob Rice
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:11 AM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Fw: Tribeca Film Fellows: Meet the Next Generation of
> Filmmakers
>
>
> Untitled Document Hi EVerybody;
>
> Heres the Trebeca Thing Linl. Have fun, the Who killed the
> Electric car
> is buried in other cool stuff.Still time tio fly in from the
> coast<g>!
>
> Seeya
>
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: The Tribeca Film Festival
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:54 AM
> Subject: Tribeca Film Fellows: Meet the Next Generation of
> Filmmakers
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>
>
>
>
> Wednesday, May 4
> Meet the Next Generation of Filmmakers
>
>
> The Tribeca/ASCAP Music Lounge, Co-hosted by
> Saturn
> keeps the rhythm going on its third day with
> performances
> by John Mayer and others. Click here to see today's schedule.
>
>
>
> TFF Today
> Meet the Next Generation of Filmmakers:
> The Tribeca Film Institute's Tribeca Film Fellows
> Program
> brings 20 young people, ages 15-20, to the Festival for panels,
> screenings,
> workshops and one-on-one mentoring from filmmakers.
>
>
>
> MyFest
> Let us help guide you through the Festival with
> our daily
> film category lists. Today's topics are art and politics.
>
>
>
> What I Did Last Night
> Check out photos taken yesterday and throughout
> the 2006
> Tribeca Film Festival including premieres, parties, and panels.
>
>
>
> Filmmaker Guestlist
> Jeff Garlin, the director/actor/screenwriter of I
> Want
> Someone to Eat Cheese With, contributes his thoughts on making "a
> film about
> a fat man with no fat jokes."
>
>
> Tell Us Your Story
> Do you have one piece of clothing that always
> makes you
> feel great or lucky? A shirt? A baseball cap? A bra? See how your
> answers
> compare to the TFF filmmakers..
>
>
>
> Pssst. . . MySpace.com/Tribeca Film Festival
> Secret
> Screenings
> MySpace.com & TFF are showing two free, midnight
> screenings this weekend: Too Tough to Die on Friday, May 5th, and
> Mary on
> Saturday, May 6th, at the Tribeca Cinemas. Be sure to get there
> early to
> enjoy a special MySpace.com Happy Hour in the Tribeca Cinemas Lower
> Lounge.
> Go to myspace.com/tribecafilmfestival to get your free passes and
> more
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>
>
> Dolby Filmmaker Presentation Panel
> Learn how replacing film prints with digital
> packages can
> offer new opportunities at the box office for emerging filmmakers.
> Friday,
> May 5, 11:00 am, Tribeca Film Center
>
>
>
>
> Tickets Available
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> Schedule Updates
> Added screening, venue changes, new panels, and
> other
> updates.
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>
> Special Events
> The Tribeca Film Festival is more than movies.
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> date on all TFF events.
>
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>
>
>
> Featured Sponsor
>
>
>
> General Motors is a Signature Sponsor and the Official
> Vehicle
> Provider of this year's Festival. GM's Cadillac and Saturn brands
> will be
> center-stage this year, as GM gives Festival-goers a chance to
> check out its
> newest cars and trucks in displays at various Tribeca Film Festival
> venues.
> GM will also provide courtesy vehicles to Festival VIPs and
> celebrities for
> transportation between Festival venues, including Premiere Night
> Co-hosted
> by Cadillac, the Premiere Night Party Hosted by Cadillac, the
> Tribeca/ASCAP
> Music Lounge Co-Hosted by Saturn, Short Filmmaker Competition
> Screenings
> Sponsored by Saturn and the Short Filmmaker Party Hosted by Saturn.
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> MAY 4
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this law and collection 2002 numbers don't relate to industrial batteries at
all (like EV purpose ones) only AA, C, D and such cells.
Nicad collection from our EV in France is on the 90% side for one reason:
they are rented and controlled strictly at their end of life !
you can find laws texts here sorry i don't have a direct link under the hand
http://europa.eu.int/comm/research/fp6/ssp/subat_en.htm
this said, i hope to see a nicad ban one day here, what will be the
next...nimh, ni-zinc, lithium ?
:^)
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Shawn Rutledge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 4:29 AM
Subject: NiCD's to be banned in Europe
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4969544.stm
>
> There are exceptions for power tools, emergency & alarm systems,
> medical equipment but not EV's.
>
> The other provisions of this bill sound pretty good though.
>
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Posted for Mike Parker in Turlock, CA.
If you know of anyone interested in taking a C2EC2T
Commuter Conversion Electric Car Class in Encinitas,
California on June 19 to June 30, 2006, please let me
know and I'll send registration material, motel
information, and class description. I'll need name and
street addresses, city and zip, to send printed
materials to them. And if you come across anyone in
the Modesto/Turlock region who is interested in
learning how to convert ICE gasoline cars to ZEV
electric cars, let me know. With gasoline prices
escallating on the heels of oil price escallation,
this unique class should be of interest to San Joaquin
Valley folks. Each stick shift, compact automobile
that is converted to ZEV electric will reduce Valley
air pollution, reduce dependence on foreign oil,
possibly improve employment development.
Also, please put the word out that Mike Parker is
looking for a 1 bay garage with a lift. I'd like to
rent the garage from time to time for 10 consecutive
Saturdays from 8 AM to 3 PM. Complete Commuter
Conversion Electric Car Kits cost about $10,000. The
result is a commuter car that can cruise at 70 miles
per hour and cover 60 to 100 miles on a single charge.
When better batteries are available in a year or two,
these conversions will have a fast charge capability
and a range of about 80 to 160 miles per charge.
The 1980 VW C abriolet that we will convert to
electric this summer in Encinitas, CA, will employ a
144 volt drive battery system, 500 amp controller,
and a 9 inch diameter DC motor. The idea to build a
"performance" electric car belongs to my buddy, Abran
Quevedo, auto shop instructor at SanDiguito High
School Academy in Encinitas. Abran wants to impress
the young high schoolers (and others) by creating a
very fast automobile. We intend to convert the car
and wind up with a 100 MPH automobile. It's per
charge range will be 25 to 40 miles with lead acid
batteries.
Contact Mike at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 Pestka, Dennis writes:
> Is there any way for us spectators to get in early with the
> participants ?
> I sure would like to meet some of the names I have been seeing on
> this list
> over the years.
> I would also like to get some close up pictures of the cars.
>
> Thanks;
> Dennis
> Elsberry, MO
>
Dennis
No. The whole idea behind waiting to let spectators in is to let
the participants and venders set up. That is a time they should not be
bothered. Lots of pre race work to be done. The only way one can get in
is in the same vehicle as racers and venders. (crew members) There will
be plenty of time to meet and photograph them and their cars during the
day. Your entry into the facilities is also your pit pass. It will be
one big open venue. You can walk around anywhere in the pits (except
staging area) and go up to the stands any time you want.
John Emde
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.fveaa.org
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It's all about battery weight to glider weight(and of course your
weight)plus aerodynamics.. A streamliner will go farther than and unfaired
vehicle. A Goldwing might be a good choice at 72v. That's 12 golfcart
batteries. Between 672 to 840 pounds depending on which battery you use in
the 6v style. 522 pounds if you use EV-145 batteries at 12volts each. .
Lawrence Rhodes....
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From: "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Gun Engine?
Lawrence,
I thought we established that heavier vehicles go further ;)
I'd love commuting on an electric motorcycle. My bike only takes about
$13 each week for gas now. Zero dollars would be even better. Half
thought of converting an old Goldwing to an EV. I need the extra
weight of a heavy bike for comfort and long distance ;)
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Nobody says boo(they might say ahhhh) when Cedric Lynch goes
hundreds of
miles on a charge with his motorcycle. The reason is he uses physics
cleaverly to attain his goals. Low drag & light components are his
friends. If you want super range and functionality that is the only
way.
The math never lies and the proof is in the pudding. Lawrence
Rhodes....Show me & I'll believe...........
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You're spoiled with that skateboard you ride around in. I'm sure with the
batteries in the back it should stay up. Did you notice the system voltage?
Lawrence Rhodes....
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: Xebra
Zap had these available for test drives at the Maker Faire a couple of
weeks ago. There was a small coned course to drive in. Lot's of body roll.
A bit scary if you ask me.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Sent: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:26:59 +0100
Subject: Re: Xebra
It reminds me of the reliant three wheelers we get over here :)
(Except they're not EVS!)
Nikki
On May 4, 2006, at 2:10 AM, Jody Dewey wrote:
That is one ugllllly car! It definately is the right idea and > price
though!
Does anyone know what the voltage is? Could it be increased for more
speed/range?
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:02 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Zappylist; SFEVA
Subject: Xebra
http://www.electricwheelsinc.com/xebra.htm This would certainly be >
perfect
for San Francisco. At 10k for the vehicle and 3 dollar gas prices > this
car
is a no brainer.
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
Vegetable Oil Car.
415-821-3519
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 5/4/06, Philippe Borges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
this law and collection 2002 numbers don't relate to industrial batteries at
all (like EV purpose ones) only AA, C, D and such cells.
Oh that's good.
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On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 11:03:33AM -0700, Rich Rudman wrote:
> One... I am doing a Level 3 plus charger port. speced to 700 amps, and not
> more than 600 volts DC.
Wow! That is one hell of a charger.
The AVcon level III spec is only rated at
600V 400 Amps max
Not that you would be using the connector even if you could :)
But I guess that makes sense.
Seeing as how you need to purpose build your EV for Level III charging
anyway, and there are no production Level III EVs that can charge near
240Kw out there (that I know of), You might as well make a standard for that.
Thanks!
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Let's stop discussing the gun engine, please. Some of us think it won't
work
and some of us think it will. It's extremely unlikely that either side can
ever
convince the other side that their view is correct. My view is that it
won't
work, but I lack the patience or persistence to argue.
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