EV Digest 5472
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) my own outlet
by Seth Rothenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Wanted -- LPI (large paddle inductive) charger on-board port & on-board
computer
by "GM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: my own outlet
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Why no COMMENTS good-or-bad
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Off to the Races
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: my own outlet
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Wanted -- LPI (large paddle inductive) charger on-board port &
on-board comp
by "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: A123 Systems sponsored KillaCycle
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Why no COMMENTS good-or-bad
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: my own outlet
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Testing Heinemanns
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: emeter kwhr resetting during drive
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: formula???
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) TdS Report #6: Team Profile: The Fledge
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
15) Re: [Hybrid] Honda to put Insight powertrain in new Fit/Jazz
by "Dave Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Off to the Races
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
17) Re: RC Battery chargers instead of regulators?
by "Ted C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: my own outlet
by "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) TdS Report #7: Photos - Photos: The Fledge
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
20) Re: Off to the Races - rain
by John Emde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: emeter kwhr resetting during drive
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) RE: Off to the Races - rain
by "Shawn M. Waggoner \(EVDL\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) RE: Zap Xebra (was: Why no COMMENTS good-or-bad)
by "Glenn Meader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) RE: Welding on WarP 9 Motor Housing
by Mike & Paula Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I get a "mazel tov" - I passed final inspection
on the electrical in my reconstructed bedroom...
so, now I am ready to get on with the world of EVs
Looking for suggestions on this...
... I asked the Electrical Inspector about an outlet
for my car - near the curb...he agreed that I'll
need a zoning waiver to put one in the City Right-of-Way
near the curb....and he agreed that throwing an extension
cord over a tall post would be bad/illegal/trouble.....
He said park in the Driveway. Well, the Boss parks there...
it's safer for my 3 little bosses...
I had another idea (after I got off the phone...)
What if I made a slot in the sidewalk, buried a
2x2 channel in it, and got/made a cover for the channel,
so pedestrians would not miss a step...
I come home from work, pick up the cover, drop
my extension cord in....extra work, but much cheaper
than hiring a lawyer for the Zoning Hearing I'll need....
(done charging, just pull the releaase wire :-)
(Other option, keep looking for neighbors that have a
driveway but don't have a car... :-)
Thanks
Seth
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Does anyone know what these might be available?
I am looking to buy some Large Paddle Inductive (LPI) charger parts.
I am interested in the "on-board" side LPI parts including the 1) paddle
receptacle port & 2) on-board side of the charger controller.
These parts were used several cars including the mid-year Rav4evs, Chevy
S-10Es and the EV-1s.
Thx,
Steve
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Seth,
Remember that the sidwalk is city property too, so they might not be too
keen on you cutting a channel in it. People do it all the time to install
sprinkler systems, but they cover the slot with concrete.
Something I've thought would work would be to run a piece of 2" PVC under
the sidewalk. The in-board end (near the house/garage) could just come up
to an elbow. The end near the curb could end in one of those buried boxes
used for sprinkler systems. Run an extension cord from the garage through
the PVC and into the box. The garage end of the cord is on a switched
outlet or is unplugged when not charging the EV. When you want to charge,
plug the charger into the cord in the box and replace the lid, then turn
the switch on or plug in the garage end. When not charging, the box looks
like many other boxes normally found near the curb.
Of course, the Inspector may not like this idea either. Then again, they
may never notice it.
Ralph
Seth Rothenberg writes:
>
> I get a "mazel tov" - I passed final inspection
> on the electrical in my reconstructed bedroom...
>
> so, now I am ready to get on with the world of EVs
>
> Looking for suggestions on this...
>
> ... I asked the Electrical Inspector about an outlet
> for my car - near the curb...he agreed that I'll
> need a zoning waiver to put one in the City Right-of-Way
> near the curb....and he agreed that throwing an extension
> cord over a tall post would be bad/illegal/trouble.....
>
> He said park in the Driveway. Well, the Boss parks there...
> it's safer for my 3 little bosses...
>
> I had another idea (after I got off the phone...)
> What if I made a slot in the sidewalk, buried a
> 2x2 channel in it, and got/made a cover for the channel,
> so pedestrians would not miss a step...
> I come home from work, pick up the cover, drop
> my extension cord in....extra work, but much cheaper
> than hiring a lawyer for the Zoning Hearing I'll need....
> (done charging, just pull the releaase wire :-)
>
> (Other option, keep looking for neighbors that have a
> driveway but don't have a car... :-)
>
> Thanks
> Seth
>
>
>
>
>
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On Thu, 11 May 2006 08:46:52 -0700, Steven Lough
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I got to tell ya... Here we have Post after post on a few new Honda
>Hybrid models which aren't even out yet...
>
>And a POST on a 40 mph, pure BEV, al be it from a kind of ....well one
>of those companies... But there REAL. People are buying them $9999. a
>copy, 4 doors, charger and batteries included.
>
>And yet... not one comment. The EV Video from that Salem OR. source
>is worth commenting on all by itself. Forget the funny 3 wheel XEzebra...
>
>I have NO STOCK or ownership in this... I just thought this was good
>news, and a Real World BEV that really "made it to Market" not
>Vapor-ware, or made of "Unobtainium..."
Hmmm, well, let's see. It looks like that little amoeba that floats
around on the Zoloft commercial with all the styling cues of a
proctoscope. It performs like a Citicar with the air brakes out. It's
being hawked by Zap, the company that causes reflex cringes and
murmurs of sleazebags whenever the name is mentioned in EV company.
I guess that a lot of us are just hoping it goes away before it makes
the EV community look silly yet again. "After all, if that's all that
we can produce", so the press goes....
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
Don't let your schooling interfere with your education-Mark Twain
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Sorry, folks, but the Civic/pusher combo will not be going to
Joliet. My quick and dirty improvised bodywork is not up to the
task, so I will be going by conventional ICE and of course will not
have my EV either. I'm seriously bummed, I was seriously looking
forward to joining the convoy. Mechanically it's there, but a 45
mile highway test this afternoon revealed too much motion in the rear
splice, so I will have to tear that apart and redo it properly, and
there just isn't enough time left to do it an get it to Joliet.
The road test went well otherwise, with the 600 watt inverter on the
pusher driving my home built charger to trickle charge the
batteries. All 12 Volt loads were handled by the pusher as well, but
I ended up using about 43 watt hours per mile due to construction, on
ramps, off ramps, and the lack of push below the 25 mph cut in speed
of the cruise control. Had I had more time at cruise it would have
eventually fully recharged the pack. 600 watts is still way too low,
so I will get on the 3000 watt belt driven generator solution.
Oh well, I guess I will just join the rest of the crown in Joliet.
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
Kansas City, Missouri
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When Otmar installed both an AVCON powerpak and a metal SquareD
outlet box (one 14-50 and two 5-20 outlets + breakers), he dig
under the sidewalk, ran a pipe underneath, ran the cable through
the pipe, and then put the dirt back.
Both were mounted on a 4x4 wooden post. The SquareD box had a
combination lock on it to remove fears neighborhood kids might
play with the live outlets and get zapped.
But he did not get approval from the city to do so. He used the
'beg forgiveness' method, after it was already in.
Getting the the wiring and outlet to the curb would not be my
biggest concern. Getting City Inspector's approval would.
What type of outlet are you installing? 14-50, 5-20?
Bruce {EVangel} Parmenter
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Look up the EAA, they may have some.
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "GM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what these might be available?
>
>
>
> I am looking to buy some Large Paddle Inductive (LPI) charger parts.
>
>
>
> I am interested in the "on-board" side LPI parts including the 1) paddle
> receptacle port & 2) on-board side of the charger controller.
>
>
>
> These parts were used several cars including the mid-year Rav4evs, Chevy
> S-10Es and the EV-1s.
>
>
>
> Thx,
>
>
>
> Steve
>
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In a small car like the Tzero it'd be quite something with a 450 mile range.
That is if these batteries are as energy rich pound per pound as 18650's.
LR........
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From: "Paul Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: A123 Systems sponsored KillaCycle
Bill,
if your present pack is 6kwh and 340vdc, how practical would it be to
scale up to around 30kwh. This should be around 5x the number of cells
you are now using, 5 x 800 = 4000. 340 vdc seems about right for a car
and I think about 30kwh as a practical useful battery capacity for about
50 miles or so of range under most circumstances. This would give a pack
weight of about 750 pounds or so, not bad. Did you already post the rough
overall dimensions of your current battery pack? Would scaling up by 5x
take up about 5x the volume?
Paul Wallace
'91 Chevy S-10 full of SAFT nicads
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This is not an NEV. It is a car that goes 40 MPH. Lawrence Rhodes.....
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From: "Ralph Merwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Why no COMMENTS good-or-bad
Steven,
In my opinion, most people are more interested in freeway-capable vehicles
than in NEVs, so it doesn't matter that a NEV is avalable now if it can't
be used...
As for the new store in Salem, OR, I looked at their web page. The goofy
three-wheelers look like escapees from Disneyland. It puts a cartoon lens
on the whole store. The showroom also had lots of scooter-like products.
Interesting, sort of, but not all that useful...
Ralph
Steven Lough writes:
I got to tell ya... Here we have Post after post on a few new Honda
Hybrid models which aren't even out yet...
And a POST on a 40 mph, pure BEV, al be it from a kind of ....well one
of those companies... But there REAL. People are buying them $9999. a
copy, 4 doors, charger and batteries included.
And yet... not one comment. The EV Video from that Salem OR. source
is worth commenting on all by itself. Forget the funny 3 wheel
XEzebra...
I have NO STOCK or ownership in this... I just thought this was good
news, and a Real World BEV that really "made it to Market" not
Vapor-ware, or made of "Unobtainium..."
Here is the POST again:
Thanks Tim.. Great Footage... (now the whole World can see your story...)
http://salem-news.com/articles/may82006/Electric_Cars2_5706.php
PS:I know the PHEV thing is More Important...I was there...
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Seth Rothenberg writes:
> >
> > Looking for suggestions on this...
> >
Move?
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I'm ganging 4 Heinemann 160V DC breakers together so that if one trips, they
all get turned off. I want to make sure, though, that one breaker tripping
has the mechanical strength to turn off the other three. Is it okay to
test-trip a breaker by just hooking it to the plus and minus terminals of a
12V battery via jumper cables, or is there a better way?
Thanks.
Bill Dennis
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This sounds like an occurence I had with mine for
awhile.
The e-meter needs a really stable supply. If the
supply is not high enough voltage, or fluctuates
during a hard pull, it will re-set.
You did not mention whether you are powering it via
the DCDC converter chip (as it needs dedicated +12V
and -12V, not 12V gnd), or whether you are tapping off
of the main HV pack, such that your hard pulls could
cause this.
Another possibility is a loose wire; have had a friend
have issues with that. I'm opting for #1, at this
point.
Collegially,
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> During my drive this morning, the emeter kept
> resetting the kwhr's to 0
> after a long run of 100 amp draw, then letting off
> the accelerator pedal
> for a stop (where the amp draw goes down to -0.1
> Amps). and before pushing
> the vacuum brake.
>
> When driving at night time with lights on, this is
> not a problem due to the
> constant draw of DC/DC for headlights.
> Additionally after every evening charge, if the
> kwhr's are + above 0, the
> e-meter also automatically resets them to 0. when I
> start driving out the
> driveway, so it seems to like this automated reset
> to 0 thing.
>
> I know that the e-meter can work with regen cars and
> solar cars, so is
> there a setting to keep it from resetting the kwhr's
> to 0. i can't find
> the info in the manual.
>
> anything to avoid day running lights.
>
> Thanks, Ben
>
>
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I was working backwards, I think my math is ok.
These were pre peukert numbers, later in the post when I compare
floodies and AGMs I used UVE's calculator to adjust for the peukert
effect. If I need 6kWh, I need 6kWh. I should of done the 80% later maybe?
My emeter shows 3.4kwh to make it to work every day. floddies or agms, I
think it would still be 3.4kwh(maybe less if I hit the limit of the
floddies, and I would)
You must boost this up before applying pukert(the divide by .8) or the
pukert won't be applied to both parts of the discharge. Just like we
apply pukert to the capacity before we * .8 when going the other direction
No?
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TdS Report #6: Team Profile: The Fledge
Necessity is the mother of all inventions and the mounting burden
of petroleum prices on the common man kindled the spark in us to
unearth the technology with a revolutionary drive-train.
The Team: Abhishek Agarwal, Ashish Dudani, Abhinav Bharia,
Abhinav Duggal, Anubhav Jain, Siddhartha Arora, Nitesh Gupta.
So declares the handout for The Fledge, a one-person hybrid electric car from
seven engineering students at Delhi College of Engineering in India, that is a
project for their degree from the college in two months. "If we win the Tour
de Sol it will definitely help our grade."
Engine
Displacement 1 cylinder, 346 cc, air cooled
Bore and Stroke 70 mm x 90 mm
Maximum Power 18 bhp @ 5625 rpm
Maximum Torque 2.74 kg-m @ 2775 rpm
Carburetor Micarb VM 24
Fuel Gasoline, 13 liters
Transmission
Manual 4 forward (syncromesh), 1 rear
Motor
Permanent Magnet Brushed DC, custom built
Rated Power 3.5 hp @ 3000 rpm
Torque 7.0 Nm @ 3000 rpm
Rated Voltage 48 V
Rated Current 72 Amps
Batteries
8 6-Volt deep discharge Lead Acid
Controller Curtis 2201
Suspension
Front McPherson Strut and coil spring
Rear Leaf and coil springs
Brakes
Front Disc
Rear Drum
"We started this car 1 1/2 years ago. We researched for about 8 months and
then we started building it. It is a rear wheel drive, driven by either the
gasoline engine or the electric motor, one at a time. A switch selects between
engine and motor mode." In electric mode, the accelerator pedal controls the
motor, and in gas mode that pedal controls the engine. The clutch has no
function in electric mode. The batteries are only charged when plugged in.
"The car is designed for urban traffic use. The electric mode has a range of
about 100 kilometers. On gasoline we have been getting 28 miles per liter,
which means more than 300 kilometers."
To the left of the driver's seat is a gear shift lever and the clutch pedal is
to the left of the transmission housing. On the right side of the housing are
the brake and accelerator pedals. It is licensed for on-road use, under some
restrictions, with a temporary license.
The windscreen wiper arrangement is unusual. There are two, one mounted at the
center of the bottom of the windscreen, the other at the center of the top.
The windscreen extends at the bottom to help duct air into the engine
compartment.
The batteries are mounted 4 in front and 4 in the rear of the vehicle for
balance. The custom built motor was a joint effort between the manufacturer
Rotomag and the students. The chassis was designed by the students and made of
welded steel 3 x 6 centimeter box-tubing. The body is made of fiber reinforced
plastic (FRP), designed by the students and manufacturer, AGM, together.
Other sponsors and financial supporters include JBM, Kayemel, Air India,
Mahindra & Mahindra, the Indian Department of Science and Technology.
"We want to thank our teachers, our professors and especially our parents.
Their financial support and the emotional support over the last year and half
has been tremendous!" The initial self-investment was 150,000 Rupees.
The seven students, all 21 years old or less, are friends from New Delhi or
Rajajsdhan that met when they got to college. "We thought of doing something
good, something which could conserve and address this issue of rising energy
costs. In consultation with our teachers we came up with the idea of designing
our own hybrid car." They started without funding, but after seeing their
paper work companies started to fund parts of the cost. Their started learning
about hybrids. "We had no knowledge of what was a hybrid car." They looked at
the advantages and disadvantages. Why was it not popular in the markets? Why
weren't battery-only vehicles not doing well in the market?
When they started to think about solutions they built their first drive-train
as a bench-top exercise to test and measure performance. The chassis was
designed in the computer-aided design program SolidWorks and analyzed in the
drive train in a program called Advisor.
Why come to the Tour de Sol? This is half a world away from home! "We needed
to showcase what we had done." They looked for other competitions closer to
home but they didn't find any. "We searched for 40, 50 days." The Tour de Sol
proved the one they needed to go to.
I was interested to hear that, as of yet, there are no hybrids sold in India.
There is are Mahindra and Reva electric-only vehicle for sale, with the usual
limitations. They are most used in commercial and a few private applications.
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The complete set of Tour de Sol Reports for 2006 can be found at:
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The complete set of past Tour de Sol Reports can be found at:
http://www.FovealSystems.com/Tour_de_Sol_Reports.html
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Permission to copy is granted provided the entire article is presented
without modification and this notice remains attached.
For other arrangements, contact me at +1-973-822-2085 .
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Nikki,
These were the numbers posted on the stickers on the Fit. The dealer near
me had one auto and one manual. I'm going off the top of my head, and am
not sure of the city mpg, but am sure of the 38 and 39 figures. Don't know
if this is the new or old way of computing the EPA figures. Glad to hear
you did so well. I plan to get a Fit hybrid if my pickup lasts that long.
Dave
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From: nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Hybrid] Honda to put Insight powertrain in new Fit/Jazz
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:10:53 +0100
David,
It's interesting that you were getting 39mpg for figures from Honda? I
managed nearly 52 on the freeway between Bristol and Reading (about 70
miles) when we had one as a hire car while our Prelude was being serviced.
It's great for us as we're into power kiting and the seats fold right down.
And if they are doing it as a hybrid in a few years time does anyone thing
they'll be any Plug in hacks???
Regards
Nikki
On May 10, 2006, at 12:13 AM, Dave Davidson wrote:
I hope this is right. I read somewhere that Honda was going to use a
larger engine for the Fit hybrid than in the Insight, and that the hybrid
is due here around April 2007. The Fit here has a larger engine than in
Europe.
The Fit is a larger car than I had imagined. As I recall, it gets about
32 or 33 mpg (city) and 38 or 39 mpg (highway). I would hope the hybrid
version would do better than the 50s. It's been a few days since I
stopped at Honda to see one. I can fit in it comfortably (6 ft 3 in at
230 lbs).
Although Honda is still making the Insight, dealers here (Baltimore, MD)
don't stock it, so a buyer must special order one sight unseen. Don't
know how long it would take to get it. No wonder they aren't selling
many.
The Fit would also make a fantastic glider. I believe better than the
Scion Xb that AC Propulsion was considering.
Dave
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From: "Mike Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: [Hybrid] Honda to put Insight powertrain in new Fit/Jazz
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:41:07 -0500
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/05/honda_fit_hybri.php
Honda Fit Hybrid: Mid-2007, Hybrid CR-V: Late 2006
May 5, 2006 03:14 PM - Michael G. Richard, near Ottawa
Bradley Berman, the editor of HybridCars.com (you can see a video
interview with him at the New York Auto Show), has received
confirmation from an anonymous industry insider that Honda will
produce a hybrid version of the Fit (also known as the Honda Jazz - we
wrote about the possibility of a hybrid version a couple of months
ago). It is scheduled for release in mid-2007.
The insider said:
If you take the measurement from the wheel hub to the wheel hub of the
Fit and the Insight, they are the same to the millimeter. The Fit is
going to get the Insight engine. It's already a proven powertrain. It
will probably get fuel economy in the low to mid-50s.
According to the same source, Honda will probably continue to make the
Insight hybrid even though sales are very slow (less than 100 per
month) for the bragging right of having the most fuel efficient hybrid
(though it's arguable that the Toyota Prius is relatively more
efficient if you consider that it is heavier, roomier, more powerful
and doesn't use as much expensive aluminum to reduce weight).
In the interview, HybridCars.com learned that Honda would also release
a hybrid version of its CR-V mini-SUV [pictured above] in late 2006.
Honda has not publicly confirmed its plans for hybrid versions of the
Fit or CR-V. [...] Even with the Fit's hybrid premium, its price will
beat out the Civic Hybrid by approximately $5,000 and a Prius by
$7,000 or more. The gas-only Fit is powered by a 109-horsepower
1.5-liter, four-cylinder VTEC engine. The hybrid version. according to
the HybridCars.com interview, will utilize a 1.0-liter engine.
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Dave Erb was just here(Thur afternoon) and we packed up the tool kits,spare
tire, and battery chargers. The tow dolly is chained to a tree in the front
yard.
Howard Croop my other sidekick will be here from Pa Friday morning.
Load the truck on the dolly and leave by 9:30 I hope.
Hope to get to Joliet by 2:00pm(we gain a hour in time zone) to go on the tour
of Warfield Electric.
Robert Salem
81 VW pickup
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/742
Quoting Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I just got a call from John Wayland, they are just about to the
> Wyoming/Nebraska border, and plan to stop in Iowa City, Iowa
> tonight. John has family in the cookie business in Cheyenne so John
> has turned into the Cookie Monster. Apparently they got loaded down
> with cookies upon departure.
>
> Don Buckshot, my wife Lilli and I are planning to hook-up with John,
> early Friday morning in Iowa City. If all goes well the Civic EV and
> pusher combo will be purring along as well. I only have about 120
> miles of testing on it and I am still sorting some of it out.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Mike Chancey,
> '88 Civic EV
> Kansas City, Missouri
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The person who owned the Porsche before me had a similar setup to what your
talking about. The car had a bohn charger (Bad Boy Charger) in it. When that
would get to the end of the charging cycle he would switch it over to an
single charger that would cycle though all the batteries using a relay bank
he built for this purpose. Instead of LEDs like yours, he had a laptop
connected to a radio shack meter with an RS232 port. When the relays would
cycle each battery it would take voltage measurements and log them on a
program he wrote. It worked pretty good for the most part. He told me he
over charged the pack a couple of times when something would go wrong and
left it on the bad boy charger a little to long. So he removed the bohn
charger and relay bank/charger setup. Then installed two of the 4 bank
chargers. I got the car and complete it with the third 4 bank charger and a
new battery pack. It is now "set it and forget it"
Ted,
Olympia, WA
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From: "Sweeney, John P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: RC Battery chargers instead of regulators?
I have taken a slightly different approach using a charger per battery.
I have implemented a charger per battery in addition to the bulk charger
on my E FIERO.
The bulk charger monitors each battery and shuts itself down when the
pack is 90% recharged. The small switchers are on as long as the vehicle
is plugged in. The individual chargers are set to 13.8V and balance the
pack. Each charger is fused with a 250V rated fuse and has a LED
indicator that shows when the battery is above 13.4V. This will indicate
if any charger has failed.
The only potential problem is if a battery fails by going open under
bulk charge then the charger connected to it will go poof, snap,
crackle, & pop as it sees full pack voltage on its 12V output. So far
the system has worked without a problem.
I have left the individual chargers plugged in for over 24 hours.
After 3-4 hours the total current being supplied to all 19 chargers is
less than 1/2 amp. & all the batteries are within 5mv of each other.
KICKGAS
Pat Sweeney
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Evan Tuer
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:05 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: RC Battery chargers instead of regulators?
On 5/11/06, Ted C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The only thing that has concerned me about my setup is if for some
reason I
get an open in my pack. I could get an voltage potential up 150volts+
trying
to go though one of the chargers. I have been meaning to contact the
maker
of the charger to find out what is the highest voltage the charger
could see
on any one charger. With a high enough volt one could let the magic
smoke
out that makes it work.
If you get an open circuit cell while driving, you will have a reverse
polarity potential across that charger. The charger should be
protected against reverse polarity: sometimes just a diode across the
output and a fuse in series. If it doesn't have this protection (or
it's not sufficient to protect against the higher voltage and greater
fault energy), you could add it externally.
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Hiding your cord in a covered channel in the sidewalk only solves
part of your problem. Your city fathers and probably your
neighbors will be somewhat less than wildly enthusiastic about an
energized and unattended cord and vehicle in the street. They and you
should be concerned about possible shock hazards. You might need
a lot of extension cord in the street to reach your car if someone else
parks in front of your place.
If I were you and had to have an electric car I'd get a hybrid that
doesn't need to be and can't be plugged in.
I didn't know what a "mazel tov" was before I read your message and looked
up the meaning.
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From: "Seth Rothenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:42 PM
Subject: my own outlet
I get a "mazel tov" - I passed final inspection
on the electrical in my reconstructed bedroom...
so, now I am ready to get on with the world of EVs
Looking for suggestions on this...
... I asked the Electrical Inspector about an outlet
for my car - near the curb...he agreed that I'll
need a zoning waiver to put one in the City Right-of-Way
near the curb....and he agreed that throwing an extension
cord over a tall post would be bad/illegal/trouble.....
He said park in the Driveway. Well, the Boss parks there...
it's safer for my 3 little bosses...
I had another idea (after I got off the phone...)
What if I made a slot in the sidewalk, buried a
2x2 channel in it, and got/made a cover for the channel,
so pedestrians would not miss a step...
I come home from work, pick up the cover, drop
my extension cord in....extra work, but much cheaper
than hiring a lawyer for the Zoning Hearing I'll need....
(done charging, just pull the releaase wire :-)
(Other option, keep looking for neighbors that have a
driveway but don't have a car... :-)
Thanks
Seth
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TdS Report #7: Photos - Photos: The Fledge
Photographs from the Tour de Sol:
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Photos: The Fledge
Seven young engineers explore the idea of an Indian designed and built hybrid
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Team Portrait
The windscreen sits a bit forward and up to help direct air into the intake for
the engine.
direct
The roll bar is now in place.
Here you can also see the center console that contains the 4-speed
transmission and ducts fan-driven air from the front to the rear.
The clutch pedal is to the left, brake and accelerator to the right.
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Rod et all
The EVent will still be held even if it rains slightly. The track
has excellent equipment to prep the track.
There is NO rain date. We have to make it happen. According to the
weather trackers, they are following some sort of front coming from the
northwest. It seems a truck pulling a trailer with a white car plastered
with decals is causing a disturbance. That coupled with some unknown
motorcycle hauler coming out of the mountains near Denver is causing a
high pressure system to collide with a parallel disturbance beginning in
Utah. A warming trend emanating from Florida is expected to arrive about
the same time that an easterly hot air system approaches. This coupled
with all the wind from the windy city of Chicago should make for a
pleasant day in Joliet. NO rain NO rain Think NO rain.
John
PS : Remember that smell in the air following a spring rain. I smell
something in the air now and it smells like at least TWO new NEDRA
records being broken.
On Thu, 11 May 2006 12:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Rod Hower
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What happens if it rains on Saturday? will they
> postpone
> till Sunday or cancel?
> Thanks,
> Rod
>
>
>
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The Myers Motors Sparrow EVCL box uses a Cosel DC/DC
for supply to the Emeter. The input is 13.8Vdc from
the main converter for other stuff like the headlights
etc. The output is a clean isolated supply for the
Emeter.
Datasheet is here,
http://www.coselusa.com/product.asp?Id=148
I have a few of these in the surplus bin if you need
one. Part number is ZUS 3 1212
Rod
--- Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This sounds like an occurence I had with mine for
> awhile.
> The e-meter needs a really stable supply. If the
> supply is not high enough voltage, or fluctuates
> during a hard pull, it will re-set.
> You did not mention whether you are powering it via
> the DCDC converter chip (as it needs dedicated +12V
> and -12V, not 12V gnd), or whether you are tapping
> off
> of the main HV pack, such that your hard pulls could
> cause this.
>
> Another possibility is a loose wire; have had a
> friend
> have issues with that. I'm opting for #1, at this
> point.
> Collegially,
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > During my drive this morning, the emeter kept
> > resetting the kwhr's to 0
> > after a long run of 100 amp draw, then letting off
> > the accelerator pedal
> > for a stop (where the amp draw goes down to -0.1
> > Amps). and before pushing
> > the vacuum brake.
> >
> > When driving at night time with lights on, this is
> > not a problem due to the
> > constant draw of DC/DC for headlights.
> > Additionally after every evening charge, if the
> > kwhr's are + above 0, the
> > e-meter also automatically resets them to 0. when
> I
> > start driving out the
> > driveway, so it seems to like this automated reset
> > to 0 thing.
> >
> > I know that the e-meter can work with regen cars
> and
> > solar cars, so is
> > there a setting to keep it from resetting the
> kwhr's
> > to 0. i can't find
> > the info in the manual.
> >
> > anything to avoid day running lights.
> >
> > Thanks, Ben
> >
> >
>
>
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I love your weather report...see ya this weekend!
Shawn Waggoner
Florida EAA
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Emde
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:37 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Off to the Races - rain
Rod et all
The EVent will still be held even if it rains slightly. The track
has excellent equipment to prep the track.
There is NO rain date. We have to make it happen. According to the
weather trackers, they are following some sort of front coming from the
northwest. It seems a truck pulling a trailer with a white car plastered
with decals is causing a disturbance. That coupled with some unknown
motorcycle hauler coming out of the mountains near Denver is causing a
high pressure system to collide with a parallel disturbance beginning in
Utah. A warming trend emanating from Florida is expected to arrive about
the same time that an easterly hot air system approaches. This coupled
with all the wind from the windy city of Chicago should make for a
pleasant day in Joliet. NO rain NO rain Think NO rain.
John
PS : Remember that smell in the air following a spring rain. I smell
something in the air now and it smells like at least TWO new NEDRA
records being broken.
On Thu, 11 May 2006 12:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Rod Hower
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What happens if it rains on Saturday? will they
> postpone
> till Sunday or cancel?
> Thanks,
> Rod
>
>
>
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The video featuring the Zap Xebra in Salem OR is interesting. Electric
Wheels Incorporated of Salem, OR is a dealer for ZAP of Santa Rosa, CA. The
Xebra is currently being rolled out by Zap. They are offering test drives
this weekend. $10K for a 40MPH 4 seat EV is pretty good compared to new NEV
prices, even without the speed advantage.
We're not even producing it. Zap are importing it from China. I wonder who
the manufacturer is. A Google search on various terms relating to Chinese
electric vehicles with 3 wheels reveals nothing.
http://www.zapworld.com/cars/xebra.asp
Why do people think Zap are sleazebags? (They do have rather hefty markups -
probably keeps them in business...)
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On Thu, 11 May 2006 08:46:52 -0700, Steven Lough
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>And a POST on a 40 mph, pure BEV, al be it from a kind of ....well one
>of those companies... But there REAL. People are buying them $9999. a
>copy, 4 doors, charger and batteries included.
Hmmm, well, let's see. It looks like that little amoeba that floats
around on the Zoloft commercial with all the styling cues of a
proctoscope. It performs like a Citicar with the air brakes out. It's
being hawked by Zap, the company that causes reflex cringes and
murmurs of sleazebags whenever the name is mentioned in EV company.
I guess that a lot of us are just hoping it goes away before it makes
the EV community look silly yet again. "After all, if that's all that
we can produce", so the press goes....
---
John De Armond
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Thanks Ryan.
Don't know why my original post just now showed up on the list.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Ryan Bohm
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:36 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Welding on WarP 9 Motor Housing
Hi Mike and all,
>>
>> Also, anyone know the exact color match for the WarP red they put on
those
>> things. The Ford Red has a slight orange'ish tint.
I'm finding out - I'll let you know when I do.
-Ryan
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