EV Digest 5476
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) TdS Report #16: Photos - Woodstock and Moritz
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2) Re: Battery Monitors?
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: my own outlet
by Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: Comparison
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) TdS Report #17: Monte Carlo Rally Entries: The Turbo Insights
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
6) TdS Report #18: Photos - Turbo Insights
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
7) Re: [Hybrid] Honda to put Insight powertrain in new Fit/Jazz
by "Vivek Gani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) what to do when it rains on your parade
by Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Allan Lichtman for senate Maryland (looking for EV community attention)
by "Marc Breitman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) When it rains build rainbows
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: When it rains build rainbows
by "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Allan Lichtman for senate Maryland (looking for EV community attention)
by "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: When it rains build rainbows
by Mike Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Allan Lichtman for senate ...
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: I need advice/ Making a GEM go farther and faster.
by "John Foster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Spare 1998 Chevrolet S-10???
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: When it rains build rainbows
by "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: what to do when it rains on your parade? (Take it to DC and show
them the smoke?)
by Lightning Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: I need advice/ Making a GEM go farther and faster.
by Ricky Suiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Drill Bits for Plastics, Plexiglas, & Acyrlics
by sharkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) TdS Report #19: Exhibitor Profile: Solaqua
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
22) TdS Report #20: Photos - Solaqua Sound GEM
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
23) Re: Drill Bits for Plastics, Plexiglas, & Acyrlics
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Internal resistance of ADC 6.7 inch motor
by "Robert Chew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) RE: my own outlet
by "Rick Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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TdS Report #16: Photos - Woodstock and Moritz
Photographs from the Tour de Sol:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2006/photos_006.html
Woodstock and Moritz
One battery electric EV + one biodiesel TDI Jetta = one Hybrid Driveway
<BR>
or so says the new math.
Woodstock, the battery electric EV of the equation.
Motitz, the biodiesel TDI Jetta.
One way to get accurate fuel usage measurements is to have a removable fuel
tank and to weigh it.
Moritz has such a tank.
It is hard to read the bumper sticker in this photo, but it says
"Powered By American Electrons".
Ken Wells makes the case for the EV half of the Hybrid Driveway ...
and the biodiesel half.
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The complete set of Tour de Sol Reports for 2006 can be found at:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2006
The complete set of past Tour de Sol Reports can be found at:
http://www.FovealSystems.com/Tour_de_Sol_Reports.html
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The above is Copyright 2006 by Michael H. Bianchi.
Permission to copy is granted provided the entire article is presented
without modification and this notice remains attached.
For other arrangements, contact me at +1-973-822-2085 .
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For more on the NESEA Tour de Sol, see the web page at
http://www.TourdeSol.org
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Official NESEA Tour de Sol information is available from the sponsor,
the Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA) at
413 774-6051 , and 50 Miles Street, Greenfield, MA 01301 , and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . All media enquiries should be addressed to ...
Stef Komorowski
Classic Communications
508-698-6810
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 02:43 PM 5/12/2006, damon henry wrote:
Do you still have those NiCad battery monitors available? I lost
the link to them.
Yes, and still being tested. (by me and others) We recently found an
error in the software that had to be fixed.
The monitor info is at: http://www.casadelgato.com/CasaDelGatoSystems/index.htm
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 04:59:32PM -0700, Roger Stockton wrote:
> Nick Austin wrote:
>
> > Igor would need to stick the
> > fork from hot to ground to trip it right?
>
> Nope. Any breaker will trip if Igor shorts the hot and neutral with a
> fork;
Would it trip quickly enough to save Igor? 240V at 50A can make quite a jolt.
> the GFCI protected outlet will also be rendered dead if Igor
> creates a conductive path between hot or neutral and anywhere else that
> the ordinary breaker doesn't protect against.
Right, this is why you want GFCI.
Igor will be ok in these cases.
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Dave,
The overall comparison is often referred to as "well-to-wheels"
efficiency. You can search the Internet or the EVDL archives and you'll
probably find some references to various studies that have been done.
Others here can probably point you directly to some as well.
Bill Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gnat
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:35 PM
To: Ev List
Subject: Comparison
Hi
Just wondering if someone can help me with this.
I was asked by a friend to compare just how efficient
a EV is compared to a ice vehicle. The real question
was just how many mpg would a ice have to get to be
as efficient as an EV. He was concerned more with
a medium length commute on the highway.
Feel free to jump in and correct me here so I get
this right ;-] I've thought about this a few ways
but am not sure which is the best way. I'll just mumble
out loud here and you can see if I am going the right way.
Lets say it is a 50 mile distance one way. Lets say the
speed limit is 50mph. Would you get the cost per mile of
the EV based on just the cost of the recharge? So if it
took say 50kw at 5 cents per then the cost was $2.50 or
5 cents per mile. Ok now lets say gas is $3 per gallon.
To get a cost per mile of 5 cents then 300/5=60 the ice
needs to get 60mpg.
I have no idea if the numbers I used are even close so if
you know yours please share em.
Dave
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TdS Report #17: Monte Carlo Rally Entries: The Turbo Insights
Both Willie Williford from Campo California and Jack Lee from Venice Florida
are here for the Monte Carlo Rally, and they both have Honda Insights that they
each have turbocharged.
Willie is an old racer guy. "I heard people complaining that the little Honda
Insight has no power. So, in February of 2003, I showed them that you can get
power out of the car without sacrificing gas mileage. Willie came 3,053 miles
at an overall average of 64.2 miles per gallon. "That's running a posted or
above speed limits. In other words I went with the flow of traffic. If they
were doing 80, I was doing 80. If they were doing 65, I was doing 65."
Jack says that he followed Willie's example. Starting with his ideas, Jack
made a hybrid-turbo-hybrid compressor. "In other words the turbine section,
that runs off the exhaust gases is for a 1-liter size engine, like the Honda
Insight. The compressor side, that supplies the forced air to the engine is
for a 1.4 liter engine. That makes it a hybrid-turbo." Willie helped Jack
develop the first version, and then Jack upgraded it for his newest Insight.
"It is a Garrett water-cooled, ball bearing turbo engineered by Performance
Turbos out west. It is _specifically_ designed for a manual transmission
Insight."
Jack makes the point that before Willie made is turbo modification to his
Insight, the popular wisdom on Insight Central was that it couldn't be done.
"In a standard Insight, if you drive 80 miles per hour, you are going to get
about 55 miles per gallon. Sure you can get great mileage, but not at true
highway speeds. With Willies turbo, he get 64 miles per gallon at those
speeds; fast enough to please a motor head! Now he is known at
InsightCentral.net as the father of the Turbo Hybrid."
At this point, the designs that Willie and Jack have produced are not offered
commercially. But Jack offers free technical support to anyone who wants to
put a turbo system in an Insight. "I know exactly how to do it. I can talk
them through the process." There is also an exhaust system modification that
helps the turbo performance.
Willie reinforces the point that the cars still gets good mileage when driven
for mileage. "We didn't destroy that. You don't have to get on turbo. It's
just when you need that extra passing power, you have it with the turbo. Also,
Jack's car was tested for emissions in California, and it is cleaner than a
stock Honda Insight."
Jack's has the Rostra Global Cruise Control on his car. "They have one
specific for the Insight." Willie does not have cruise.
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The complete set of Tour de Sol Reports for 2006 can be found at:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2006
The complete set of past Tour de Sol Reports can be found at:
http://www.FovealSystems.com/Tour_de_Sol_Reports.html
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The above is Copyright 2006 by Michael H. Bianchi.
Permission to copy is granted provided the entire article is presented
without modification and this notice remains attached.
For other arrangements, contact me at +1-973-822-2085 .
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For more on the NESEA Tour de Sol, see the web page at
http://www.TourdeSol.org
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Official NESEA Tour de Sol information is available from the sponsor,
the Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA) at
413 774-6051 , and 50 Miles Street, Greenfield, MA 01301 , and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . All media enquiries should be addressed to ...
Stef Komorowski
Classic Communications
508-698-6810
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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TdS Report #18: Photos - Turbo Insights
Photographs from the Tour de Sol:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2006/photos_007.html
Turbo Insights
Some think the Honda Insight looks faster than it is.
By turbocharging them, appearance and reality align.
Willie explains his modifications.
A closer view.
Jack discusses his variation on the theme.
text for this photo
An important part of the Tour de Sol is the exchange of ideas between the
participants.
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The complete set of Tour de Sol Reports for 2006 can be found at:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2006
The complete set of past Tour de Sol Reports can be found at:
http://www.FovealSystems.com/Tour_de_Sol_Reports.html
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The above is Copyright 2006 by Michael H. Bianchi.
Permission to copy is granted provided the entire article is presented
without modification and this notice remains attached.
For other arrangements, contact me at +1-973-822-2085 .
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For more on the NESEA Tour de Sol, see the web page at
http://www.TourdeSol.org
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Official NESEA Tour de Sol information is available from the sponsor,
the Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA) at
413 774-6051 , and 50 Miles Street, Greenfield, MA 01301 , and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . All media enquiries should be addressed to ...
Stef Komorowski
Classic Communications
508-698-6810
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Apparently the Fit Hybrid will not have the insight drivetrain, and instead
have the one from the civic. Read:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=115344
On 5/11/06, Vivek Gani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I wonder if one could still control when the motor is engaged or not via
PWM signals, that way the fit could have a MIMA system (
http://www.99mpg.com/) installed.
-Vivek
On 5/11/06, Dave Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Nikki,
>
> These were the numbers posted on the stickers on the Fit. The dealer
> near
> me had one auto and one manual. I'm going off the top of my head, and
> am
> not sure of the city mpg, but am sure of the 38 and 39 figures. Don't
> know
> if this is the new or old way of computing the EPA figures. Glad to
> hear
> you did so well. I plan to get a Fit hybrid if my pickup lasts that
> long.
>
> Dave
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: nikki < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Hybrid] Honda to put Insight powertrain in new Fit/Jazz
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:10:53 +0100
>
> David,
>
> It's interesting that you were getting 39mpg for figures from Honda? I
> managed nearly 52 on the freeway between Bristol and Reading (about 70
> miles) when we had one as a hire car while our Prelude was
> being serviced.
>
> It's great for us as we're into power kiting and the seats fold
> right down.
> And if they are doing it as a hybrid in a few years time does anyone
> thing
> they'll be any Plug in hacks???
>
> Regards
>
> Nikki
>
>
> On May 10, 2006, at 12:13 AM, Dave Davidson wrote:
>
> >I hope this is right. I read somewhere that Honda was going to use a
> >larger engine for the Fit hybrid than in the Insight, and that the
> hybrid
> >is due here around April 2007. The Fit here has a larger engine than
> in
> >Europe.
> >
> >The Fit is a larger car than I had imagined. As I recall, it
> gets about
> >32 or 33 mpg (city) and 38 or 39 mpg (highway). I would hope the
> hybrid
> >version would do better than the 50s. It's been a few days since I
> >stopped at Honda to see one. I can fit in it comfortably (6 ft 3 in
> at
> >230 lbs).
> >
> >Although Honda is still making the Insight, dealers here (Baltimore,
> MD)
> >don't stock it, so a buyer must special order one sight unseen. Don't
> >know how long it would take to get it. No wonder they aren't selling
> >many.
> >
> >The Fit would also make a fantastic glider. I believe better than the
> >Scion Xb that AC Propulsion was considering.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "Mike Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> >Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> >To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> >Subject: [Hybrid] Honda to put Insight powertrain in new Fit/Jazz
> >Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:41:07 -0500
> >
> >http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/05/honda_fit_hybri.php
> >
> >Honda Fit Hybrid: Mid-2007, Hybrid CR-V: Late 2006
> >May 5, 2006 03:14 PM - Michael G. Richard, near Ottawa
> >
> >
> >Bradley Berman, the editor of HybridCars.com (you can see a video
> >interview with him at the New York Auto Show), has received
> >confirmation from an anonymous industry insider that Honda will
> >produce a hybrid version of the Fit (also known as the Honda Jazz - we
> >wrote about the possibility of a hybrid version a couple of months
> >ago). It is scheduled for release in mid-2007.
> >
> >The insider said:
> >
> >If you take the measurement from the wheel hub to the wheel hub of the
> >Fit and the Insight, they are the same to the millimeter. The Fit is
> >going to get the Insight engine. It's already a proven powertrain. It
> >will probably get fuel economy in the low to mid-50s.
> >
> >
> >According to the same source, Honda will probably continue to make the
> >Insight hybrid even though sales are very slow (less than 100 per
> >month) for the bragging right of having the most fuel efficient hybrid
> >(though it's arguable that the Toyota Prius is relatively more
> >efficient if you consider that it is heavier, roomier, more powerful
> >and doesn't use as much expensive aluminum to reduce weight).
> >
> >
> >
> >In the interview, HybridCars.com learned that Honda would also release
> >a hybrid version of its CR-V mini-SUV [pictured above] in late 2006.
> >Honda has not publicly confirmed its plans for hybrid versions of the
> >Fit or CR-V. [...] Even with the Fit's hybrid premium, its price will
> >beat out the Civic Hybrid by approximately $5,000 and a Prius by
> >$7,000 or more. The gas-only Fit is powered by a 109-horsepower
> >1.5-liter, four-cylinder VTEC engine. The hybrid version. according to
> >the HybridCars.com interview, will utilize a 1.0-liter engine.
> >
>
>
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We have just been informed by Rt. 66 Raceway that the NEDRA and AFV
Expo EVent on Saturday May 13, 2006 has been cancelled due to rain and
cold weather.
Too bad a "plan B" was not in place. This has happened too many times in
the past as well. Wicked Watts in Vegas was recently cancelled due to
winds.
I have suggested on the NEDRA discussion board that we plan some
additional events surrounding the racing and weather dependent outdoor
venues. That way when people dedicate significant resources and converge
from all points on the map they will still have >something< EV related
to do in the area. If the weather is nice then these extra EVents will
draw even more participants and spectators to the races.
If you have ideas for other mini-events surrounding a big race weekend,
please post them on the NEDRA discussion board at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nedra
A no brainer is a formal "meet and greet" type breakfast or dinner, but
we are hoping for some more good ideas. Maybe an indoor educational
event of some kind? Please share your thoughts and comments at the above
link. The discussion group requires registration but it is quick and
free.
Thanks for your input and thanks for helping to make things better in
the future.
-Ken Trough
V is for Voltage
http://visforvoltage.com
AIM/YM - ktrough
FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658)
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Dear EV Community,
I write to you as an 18 year old student, EV builder and enthusiast; but
also, as a supporter of Allan Lichtman for US Senate (MARYLAND). I will
skip to the point to keep this brief (well, sorta). Upon my own ambitions, I
am looking for a way to show Allan's support for every fuel *except* fossil
fuels.
Allan has promised to "spend my first 100 days in office drafting
legislation to reduce our nation's fossil fuel dependency by 50% in the next
20 years." Currently, he drives a hybrid civic, and is expanding his
knowledge about the available alternative technology. He is running to be
the only lifetime teacher in the U. S. Senate and has mortgaged his house to
enter the race.
He certainly does not have the money, time, or know-how to build a fully
electric vehicle, but I am trying to find a way for him to show his
authentic concern for the environmental issues and support for alternative
energy. I call upon you, the EV community, to give us any and all
suggestions, and any available help. Here is your chance to join in
partnership with intelligent, and authentic to-be politician. Please show
your support in any way you can. I'm not asking for a free EV, but perhaps
someone can help us decide/plan on attending an EV event, see what the real
engineers are building.
~Marc Breitman
www.allanlichtman.com
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I know the title is a bit on the cutsey hippy tree hugging side but I
thought it might get your attention. It turned out that I was the person who
gave John Wayland the bad news that the event had been cancelled. Part of me
felt sad for his frustation in traveling so many miles in pursiut of a goal
with his side kicks, overamped Jim and too mellow Tim. At first I felt sad.
Then I realized who I had given the bad news to. None other than the king of
turning a disaster into one of the most exciting adventures you ever wished
you were on. John has a special way of turning crap into a delicious meal
for the senses. He never fails to amaze me! Although much of his adventures
start with forgetting the cord or the gas for the generator, this last one
can only be blamed on mother warming, oh, I meant mother nature. Excuse me
for the Goreian slip. I just can't wait to read the post from this latest
adventure. John set out to run so I have no boubt he will find a dry track
somewhere on this extremely tiny planet.
Roderick Wilde
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If he is going to run, I would like to know where. My dad
and I were really looking forward to meeting a few EVers. I
especially wanted to meet Wayland, see the White Zombie in
person, get a gander at Matt Graham's Nissan, and even meet
Marko and his Datsun Minitruck. If the races will be held in
an area at least as close as Chicago was, as Beavis and
Butthead used to say, "We're there dude."
Also, no new date has been announced for this expo. Any
chance of it being held after the rain clears up?
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This forum is not the place to promote Allan Licthman or any other
politician!! This list is about electric vehicles, not politics!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Breitman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ev" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:03 PM
Subject: Allan Lichtman for senate Maryland (looking for EV community
attention)
Dear EV Community,
I write to you as an 18 year old student, EV builder and enthusiast; but
also, as a supporter of Allan Lichtman for US Senate (MARYLAND). I will
skip to the point to keep this brief (well, sorta). Upon my own ambitions,
I
am looking for a way to show Allan's support for every fuel *except*
fossil
fuels.
Allan has promised to "spend my first 100 days in office drafting
legislation to reduce our nation's fossil fuel dependency by 50% in the
next
20 years." Currently, he drives a hybrid civic, and is expanding his
knowledge about the available alternative technology. He is running to be
the only lifetime teacher in the U. S. Senate and has mortgaged his house
to
enter the race.
He certainly does not have the money, time, or know-how to build a fully
electric vehicle, but I am trying to find a way for him to show his
authentic concern for the environmental issues and support for alternative
energy. I call upon you, the EV community, to give us any and all
suggestions, and any available help. Here is your chance to join in
partnership with intelligent, and authentic to-be politician. Please show
your support in any way you can. I'm not asking for a free EV, but perhaps
someone can help us decide/plan on attending an EV event, see what the
real
engineers are building.
~Marc Breitman
www.allanlichtman.com
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I just hung up with the guys in Illinois. I understand there is some
new info about what can still happen at the event at this url:
http://www.fveaa.org/
Mike
--- John Westlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If he is going to run, I would like to know where. My dad
> and I were really looking forward to meeting a few EVers. I
> especially wanted to meet Wayland, see the White Zombie in
> person, get a gander at Matt Graham's Nissan, and even meet
> Marko and his Datsun Minitruck. If the races will be held in
> an area at least as close as Chicago was, as Beavis and
> Butthead used to say, "We're there dude."
>
> Also, no new date has been announced for this expo. Any
> chance of it being held after the rain clears up?
>
>
Here's to the crazy ones.
The misfits.
The rebels.
The troublemakers.
The round pegs in the square holes.
The ones who see things differently
The ones that change the world!!
www.RotorDesign.com
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Check your motor and controller temperature when doing something like
putting larger diameter tires on your GEM to make it go faster. There will
be a bigger load on them, especially uphill, making them likely to burn out.
Can you add a blower on a GEM motor, or are they sealed? Does the controller
have a heat sink & or a fan? Been a while since I've seen a GEM.
Does anyone have a good reference to comparisons/tests of low rolling
resistance tires?
- John
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Ricky Suiter
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:26 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: RE: I need advice/ Making a GEM go farther and faster.
They are specially constructed to minimize rolling resistance. The sidewalls
of the tires do not deform as much as a standard tire making less of a flat
spot where it meets the road and minimizing the energy needed to roll it
along the ground. There are a few LRR options out there, but they are
difficult to find because there are no numbers readily available for all
tires.
http://www.greenseal.org/resources/reports/CGR_tire_rollingresistance.pdf
I get more speed with them because they are a larger overall diameter.
J Mac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What is it about these Bridgestones that would make such a difference in
both range & speed?
>From: "Lawrence Rhodes"
>Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>To:
>CC: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
>Subject: I need advice/ Making a GEM go farther and faster. Date: Wed, 10
>May 2006 10:08:47 -0700
>
>It might be possible to shoehorn in 12 US batteries. They make about 5
>different versions of the 6v battery with 5 different weights from 59
>pounds to 70 pounds.. If you put on some B381 Bridgestones that might also
>make a difference. I suspect a very big jump in range with those tires.
>Adapters would be required. Just a couple of thoughts. You would get a
>huge jump with 6v batteries. The 12v batteries weigh around 500 pounds &
>the 6v batteries weigh about 700 pounds and would probably double your
>range. I'm sure you could find a way to fit in more batteries & with the
>combination of LRR tires it would go a bit faster and climb hills better
>which you would need for the added battery weight. Has anyone done this?
>The new GEM 6 passenger usese 9 8v batteries. Lawrence Rhodes.....
>
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Look at this (withdrawn) listing, in particular
the bottom left picture. Is that a halfway dismantled S-10 as spare?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ4637039821
BTW - the truck sold immediately via "BuyItNow" for 15,000 in the relisting.
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Normally, I'd have left out right about now, but the
cancellation put a stop to that. I'm waiting for John
Wayland to post details on where he's going to make his 1/4
mile passes at. I doubt he'll be going to Chicago now. He
came to the midwest to race. I will need to know in advance
where he will be at so I can make the trip, otherwise, I'll
just have to meet some of the nation's most skilled EVer's
another day.
I have no idea who will be going to that impromptu car show,
considering it was announced so late.
This is unfortunate. I've been looking forward to meeting
John, Marko, Jim, and others in person for months!
Mike Phillips wrote:
>I just hung up with the guys in Illinois. I understand
>there is some new info about what can still happen at
>the event at this url:
>
>http://www.fveaa.org/
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What a bummer, but here's a crazy idea... Since they are already
half way there, how about heading for DC to hook up with CalCars
May 17-18 to add a little tire smoke to the PHEV demonstrations?
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/calcars-news/message/396
.oO( I warned you that it was a crazy idea, didn't I <shrugs> )
L8r
Ryan
Ken Trough wrote:
>> We have just been informed by Rt. 66 Raceway that the NEDRA and AFV
>> Expo EVent on Saturday May 13, 2006 has been cancelled due to rain and
>> cold weather.
>
>
> Too bad a "plan B" was not in place. This has happened too many times in
> the past as well. Wicked Watts in Vegas was recently cancelled due to
> winds.
>
> I have suggested on the NEDRA discussion board that we plan some
> additional events surrounding the racing and weather dependent outdoor
> venues. That way when people dedicate significant resources and converge
> from all points on the map they will still have >something< EV related
> to do in the area. If the weather is nice then these extra EVents will
> draw even more participants and spectators to the races.
>
> If you have ideas for other mini-events surrounding a big race weekend,
> please post them on the NEDRA discussion board at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nedra
>
> A no brainer is a formal "meet and greet" type breakfast or dinner, but
> we are hoping for some more good ideas. Maybe an indoor educational
> event of some kind? Please share your thoughts and comments at the above
> link. The discussion group requires registration but it is quick and free.
>
> Thanks for your input and thanks for helping to make things better in
> the future.
>
> -Ken Trough
> V is for Voltage
> http://visforvoltage.com
> AIM/YM - ktrough
> FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658)
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The first thing I did was watch the motor temps. I don't have any hills to deal
with so that wasn't a problem. My test was I went out and floored it to 20 or
so mph then stopped and repeated for a while. Hottest I temp I saw was about
170 degrees and I was told 200 is the danger zone. Of course I had to make
special circumstances to even get it this hot, 150 was a more typical
temperature. The stock motors are sealed, though there is an aftermarket
ventillated motor available.
The controller does not have a heat sink (though the new 6 passengers is
supposed to I'm told). The bottom of it does sink to a large alluminum plate
though which should take the heat pretty well. The controller will cut back
then eventually give you an error code if you get it too hot, but the only time
I've heard of anyone having this problem was with one modified to do over 50mph
(vs my measley 30mph), and adding a blower fan to it seemed to do the trick.
John Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Check your motor and controller temperature when doing something like
putting larger diameter tires on your GEM to make it go faster. There will
be a bigger load on them, especially uphill, making them likely to burn out.
Can you add a blower on a GEM motor, or are they sealed? Does the controller
have a heat sink & or a fan? Been a while since I've seen a GEM.
Does anyone have a good reference to comparisons/tests of low rolling
resistance tires?
- John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Ricky Suiter
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:26 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: RE: I need advice/ Making a GEM go farther and faster.
They are specially constructed to minimize rolling resistance. The sidewalls
of the tires do not deform as much as a standard tire making less of a flat
spot where it meets the road and minimizing the energy needed to roll it
along the ground. There are a few LRR options out there, but they are
difficult to find because there are no numbers readily available for all
tires.
http://www.greenseal.org/resources/reports/CGR_tire_rollingresistance.pdf
I get more speed with them because they are a larger overall diameter.
J Mac wrote:
What is it about these Bridgestones that would make such a difference in
both range & speed?
>From: "Lawrence Rhodes"
>Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>To:
>CC: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
>Subject: I need advice/ Making a GEM go farther and faster. Date: Wed, 10
>May 2006 10:08:47 -0700
>
>It might be possible to shoehorn in 12 US batteries. They make about 5
>different versions of the 6v battery with 5 different weights from 59
>pounds to 70 pounds.. If you put on some B381 Bridgestones that might also
>make a difference. I suspect a very big jump in range with those tires.
>Adapters would be required. Just a couple of thoughts. You would get a
>huge jump with 6v batteries. The 12v batteries weigh around 500 pounds &
>the 6v batteries weigh about 700 pounds and would probably double your
>range. I'm sure you could find a way to fit in more batteries & with the
>combination of LRR tires it would go a bit faster and climb hills better
>which you would need for the added battery weight. Has anyone done this?
>The new GEM 6 passenger usese 9 8v batteries. Lawrence Rhodes.....
>
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Ryan Stotts wrote:
Since I see a lot of plexi battery covers; I just wanted to let you
know about this particular drill bit if you didn't already know of it:
http://browntool.com/productselect.asp?ProductID=635
I found that "spade" wood drills worked great for nice holes in
polycarbonate, and a cylindrical rotary rasp held in the drill press did
a great job of shaping / cleaning up the edges.
But polycarbonate isn't necessarily much like plexiglass ...
-----sharks
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TdS Report #19: Exhibitor Profile: Solaqua
There were a number of exhibitors at the Tour's press event on Thursday, and
this one certainly drew some attention.
Jody Rael was there to explain with something that looked like a car stereo
freak's fantasy that was providing public address sound for the press event.
On the side it says:
Solaqua: Bringing Art to Power and Power to Art
"This is the solar powered GEM car from Solaqua Power and Art. Solaqua: Sun
and Water. We are proposing to convert a paper mill in Chatham New York into
an industrial art center that runs on sunlight and water. The electricity will
be generated by solar power and hydro and that will be used to make hydrogen
for furnaces, glass blowing and a small foundry."
Is hydrogen common in glass blowing? "No. It is sort of the elite of the
gases because it is so very hot and clean."
The vehicle is a two seat GEM with a large fiberglass box on the back. The
large side doors on the side of the box are covered in about 600 Watts of solar
cells, and they lift up to face the sky. Inside on the driver's side is a
wall-of-sound: a collection of Bose speakers that look ready to create a lot of
sound. "A 12 Volt car stereo powers it. I've had solar powered public address
systems since the early 1980s and this is version 8. This is the community
outreach vehicle for Solaqua Power and Art. We are a not-for-profit trying to
bring energy information to the community, making it fun for kids and families.
The Art Space real estate group in Minneapolis is doing the feasibility studies
and get this off the ground. I think we could be up and running in 3 to 5
years."
"We are also doing solar photovoltaics and solar hot water systems
installations, both residential and commercial.
"We are getting into soy polyicyene foam insulation. The first generation of
foam insulations were polyurathane, that made cyanide when they burned.
Polyicyene foam is much more inert which they are now making with soy oil
instead of petroleum. It is almost entirely an organic, renewable product."
http://SolAqua.org
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The complete set of past Tour de Sol Reports can be found at:
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The above is Copyright 2006 by Michael H. Bianchi.
Permission to copy is granted provided the entire article is presented
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For more on the NESEA Tour de Sol, see the web page at
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Official NESEA Tour de Sol information is available from the sponsor,
the Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA) at
413 774-6051 , and 50 Miles Street, Greenfield, MA 01301 , and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . All media enquiries should be addressed to ...
Stef Komorowski
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508-698-6810
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TdS Report #20: Photos - Solaqua Sound GEM
Photographs from the Tour de Sol:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2006/photos_008.html
Solaqua Sound GEM
Yet another take on the idea of Sound on Wheels.
This looks like a car stereo nut's fantasy or a boomboxphobe's nightmare.
The circular disk in the center is one of those discharge displays
(is Seven-of-Nine here?)
and the rectangle is an LED light organ.
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The complete set of Tour de Sol Reports for 2006 can be found at:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2006
The complete set of past Tour de Sol Reports can be found at:
http://www.FovealSystems.com/Tour_de_Sol_Reports.html
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The above is Copyright 2006 by Michael H. Bianchi.
Permission to copy is granted provided the entire article is presented
without modification and this notice remains attached.
For other arrangements, contact me at +1-973-822-2085 .
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For more on the NESEA Tour de Sol, see the web page at
http://www.TourdeSol.org
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Official NESEA Tour de Sol information is available from the sponsor,
the Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA) at
413 774-6051 , and 50 Miles Street, Greenfield, MA 01301 , and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . All media enquiries should be addressed to ...
Stef Komorowski
Classic Communications
508-698-6810
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Polycarbonate can be cut/drilled/milled no problem, plexiglass is totally
different: brittle, scratchable so need same special drill bit as glass with
low speed
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "sharkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Drill Bits for Plastics, Plexiglas, & Acyrlics
> Ryan Stotts wrote:
> > Since I see a lot of plexi battery covers; I just wanted to let you
> > know about this particular drill bit if you didn't already know of it:
> >
> > http://browntool.com/productselect.asp?ProductID=635
>
> I found that "spade" wood drills worked great for nice holes in
> polycarbonate, and a cylindrical rotary rasp held in the drill press did
> a great job of shaping / cleaning up the edges.
>
> But polycarbonate isn't necessarily much like plexiglass ...
>
> -----sharks
>
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Hi,
Does anyone know the resistance of the windings for a ADC 6.7 inch motor, K
series.
Cheers
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realestate.com.au: the biggest address in property
http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au
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Seth,
First of all let me point out that you may be under certain municipality
restrictions regarding the use of temporary power.
However, since this will be a temporary installation and you will be moving
the cord each day you should be able to get away with using an extension
cord under the NEC Article 590 temporary wiring. The only Definite things
you will have to do is make sure the cable is protected from abuse,
connected to a receptacle providing ground fault protection (this can be at
the panel-board via a ground fault breaker), And it has to be removable,
which shouldn't be a problem since you will be recoiling it each day.
I hope this helps,
Rick Todd Jr
Peterson Electric Panel Mfg. Co.
Department of Engineering
5550 McDermott Dr.
Berkeley, IL 60163
Phone (708) 449-2270
Fax (708) 449-2269
Website www.petersonpanel.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Seth Rothenberg
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:42 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: my own outlet
I get a "mazel tov" - I passed final inspection
on the electrical in my reconstructed bedroom...
so, now I am ready to get on with the world of EVs
Looking for suggestions on this...
... I asked the Electrical Inspector about an outlet
for my car - near the curb...he agreed that I'll
need a zoning waiver to put one in the City Right-of-Way
near the curb....and he agreed that throwing an extension
cord over a tall post would be bad/illegal/trouble.....
He said park in the Driveway. Well, the Boss parks there...
it's safer for my 3 little bosses...
I had another idea (after I got off the phone...)
What if I made a slot in the sidewalk, buried a
2x2 channel in it, and got/made a cover for the channel,
so pedestrians would not miss a step...
I come home from work, pick up the cover, drop
my extension cord in....extra work, but much cheaper
than hiring a lawyer for the Zoning Hearing I'll need....
(done charging, just pull the releaase wire :-)
(Other option, keep looking for neighbors that have a
driveway but don't have a car... :-)
Thanks
Seth
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