EV Digest 6684
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: "A123 propably out of buisness in a few years"
by Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: LED headlight bulbs?
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: LED headlight bulbs?
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Suspension and weight distribution
by Rich Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Silly Tweety!
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Suspension and weight distribution
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: "A123 probably out of buisness in a few years"
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: "A123 propably out of buisness in a few years"
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: PNW Converting to Electric Lawn Mower
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Suspension and weight distribution
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: LED headlight bulbs?
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: PNW Converting to Electric Lawn Mower
by "childreypa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: What is up with the rash of illegal message formats recently?
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Mother Earth News Hybrid
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) EVLN(Tesla downgrades claim to 200mi range)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) EVLN(EMC pushing for Philippine EVs, 10passenger, 65kph)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) EVLN(David Coale drives a candy-apple red MG Midget EV)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) EVLN(Chinese Chery A3 hybrid: dual-clutch 1.3L diesel/30KW motor)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) EVLN(Alldrin's EV showcased at Chico State)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) EVLN($14m DOE funding for USABC phEV battery development)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) EVLN(phEVs Weaken the case for h2fcvs)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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This got me worried about A123Systems' future when I read it:
http://www.a123systems.com/html/news/articles/010307_cobasys.html
Since we all know how well Cobasys are using their NiMH patents for
EVs. Corporate takeover and (virtual) patent shelving seems more likely.
I sincerely hope my concerns prove to be unfounded..
-Ian
On 21/04/2007, at 10:30 AM, Jeff Shanab wrote:
I have wondered about them for another reason. Being more of a
facilitator than an actual manufacturer, they are chargeing quite a
primium for their "value added" or are being forced to buy at too high
of a cost. I already have quotes for similar cells at about 1/2 the
price for around june. We shall see if it is hype or if it is real.
The point is that there can be a backlash from buisnesses buying their
cells if they take too long to lower their prices. If the wait
until or
can't lower their prices until after someone else comes out with
cells
at a better value, and purchasers switch, there is a good chance those
customers will be very hard to win back.
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I don't think any have been DOT approved yet. DOT is also holding up
electric brakes and non glass windows/windshields, and who knows what
else.
What if you added in some LED headlights and had both them and the
original lights on separate switches? The LEDs in the city and the
45/60 watt lights for if you need more light.
Or what about an efficient way to regulate or control the amount of
current going to the stock lights? No one around, dial them down to
just a dim glow..
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No HTML allowed, your message has been deleted. That's a major annoying
problem of this list.
I think I can already answer it though. Search the archives. LED
headlights are not significantly more efficient than well designed
halogens, in fact, I did the best design equations I could and it seemed
very difficult to even match the efficiency of halogens under realistic
conditions. A great deal of light is required. The expense, size, and
heatsinking requirements were really "out there" to match halogen
headlight output. Without quantum leaps in emitter technology, this
concept is a dead end.
Coolness factor, yes. Smart move in terms of efficiency, no. Practical
for an amateur to assemble? Not to my knowledge, though there's new
stuff coming out now and then so it's hard to say.
Danny
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The local alignment shop put two additional leaves on each side of my
S-10. Fixed me right up.
On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 22:07 -0400, John O'Connor wrote:
> HOUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
>
> I loaded all my batteries in the back of my pick-up conversion
> (http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/791 ) and I see that the rear end is
> riding very low. Looking back at my project notebook, the rear end
> has dropped about 4 inches and the front is about 1 inch higher. Am I
> likely to be able to "fix" this situation with a trip to a suspension
> shop?
>
> John
> Hopefully making an inaugural EV trip this weekend
>
>
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You probably won't believe this but I already have a golf cart built with a
full roll cage set up to run 336 volts with a 2000 amp controller. It has a
nine inch ADC motor and the old rear wrinkle wall Mickey Thompson 13" slicks
off "White Zombie". It is named "Amprageous". I figure it should do 0 to 100
mph in six seconds. I still need to get front disc brakes on it. It is
currently in storage awaiting additional funding. It is a 1974 Harley
Davidson golf cart so in reality it is a Harley 74 :-) Father Time has done
a lot of work on it. It was actually built for a TV show but we didn't
finish it in time and the track owner at Woodburn said that even if we did
he wouldn't let it run. Oh well, it will eventually make a great illegal NEV
:-)
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Silly Tweety!
Roderick wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSRAdt4LhFs
Surprising how well it hooks up! Maybe put a controller bypass on it?
That would be funny to take it out on the interstate and be passing
people at ~80 with it.
Borrow that yellow 13" motor and put 348 volts of something to it...
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--- Michael Barkley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm looking at adding "Air Shocks" to my EV. You can adjust the air pressure
> for the desired
> height needed to regain your vehicle's look. They are simple to install, and
> most automotive
> parts stores carry them, or can get them.
>
I'm also using air shocks for my project. ShockShopUSA.com was able to
reconfigure some Gabriel
air shocks to fit my Porsche 944. $98 delivered. They'll support much more than
the 400 extra
pounds I'm adding over the rear axle. I'm installing them this weekend, they
should do fine. Air
shocks give you flexibility if you might be changing your weight distribution
down the road.
Dave Cover
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You can never believe a battery salesman. :-)
It would be tough to make a battery with the same quality, power, and
cycle life as A123 at a lower price.
It would be much cheaper to print a battery spec sheet that has
better specs, than it is to actually make a high-quality battery.
Bill Dube'
At 07:30 PM 4/20/2007, you wrote:
I have wondered about them for another reason. Being more of a
facilitator than an actual manufacturer, they are chargeing quite a
primium for their "value added" or are being forced to buy at too high
of a cost. I already have quotes for similar cells at about 1/2 the
price for around june. We shall see if it is hype or if it is real.
The point is that there can be a backlash from buisnesses buying their
cells if they take too long to lower their prices. If the wait until or
can't lower their prices until after someone else comes out with cells
at a better value, and purchasers switch, there is a good chance those
customers will be very hard to win back.
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A123 Systems is privately held, not publicly traded. Corporate
takeovers only happen with publicly traded companies.
At 08:31 PM 4/20/2007, you wrote:
This got me worried about A123Systems' future when I read it:
http://www.a123systems.com/html/news/articles/010307_cobasys.html
Since we all know how well Cobasys are using their NiMH patents for
EVs. Corporate takeover and (virtual) patent shelving seems more likely.
I sincerely hope my concerns prove to be unfounded..
-Ian
On 21/04/2007, at 10:30 AM, Jeff Shanab wrote:
I have wondered about them for another reason. Being more of a
facilitator than an actual manufacturer, they are chargeing quite a
primium for their "value added" or are being forced to buy at too high
of a cost. I already have quotes for similar cells at about 1/2 the
price for around june. We shall see if it is hype or if it is real.
The point is that there can be a backlash from buisnesses buying their
cells if they take too long to lower their prices. If the wait
until or
can't lower their prices until after someone else comes out with
cells
at a better value, and purchasers switch, there is a good chance those
customers will be very hard to win back.
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That guy is completely full of it. It's a hoax, fairly obvious too.
He claims his car- and since there's little unusual about its drag
profile or weight- could go 90mph and get 75 mpg on a 5 hp lawn mower
engine. There are figures for how much power is realistically required
to drive different sedans, and they're nowhere near that low. Well, you
can run on 5 hp but only as long as you stay below 10 mph or so.
Since it's obvious that a car cannot run on 5 hp even with batteries to
buffer the load, it's sort of beside the point, but a lawnmower engine
is also quite an inefficient engine and would not produce the hp-hr per
gal of fuel anywhere near what a normal car engine does. I expect that
even rolling along at 10 mph or so you'd run through more gas going 75
miles than a normal car.
So, given the story has zero credibility, I suggest you look elsewhere
to find out how appropriate (or not) an airplane starter might be. I
know nothing about them so I couldn't say if they're useful or not but
this story is a load of bull.
Danny
Chris wrote:
I know that David who built the 75mpg hybrid
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Alternative-Energy/1979-07-01/An-Amazing-75-MPG-Hybrid-Electic-Car.aspx
used a airplane starter because it is made to run constantly without
burning up and it is also a generator.
Dave Wilker wrote:
I wouldn't use a starter motor. They are not made to run for more
than a few seconds at a time, and will burn up. If you can find an
old automotive generator, that would make a better power plant, in my
opinion.
David C. Wilker Jr.
USAF (RET)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stand Culp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:20 PM
Subject: PNW Converting to Electric Lawn Mower
I am looking for both an automotive starter motor, and a deep cycle 12V
battery to power the mower.
I checked out prices for the motor thru wrecking yards in the
Portland Ore
area and found a good deal, and was pondering where I can get an
inexpensive
deep cycle bat that'd be adequate to the job and thinking someone on
the
list (and in the Portland/Vancouver area) might have BOTH that I could
scrounge. Sooooooo, if you are converting and have a 12V starter
motor and
or a deep cycle that isn't up to par for a vehicle pack but might
work for
my conversion project, please let me know.
I was gonna go to the wrecking yard today, but after this LIST
brainstorm,
I'll go ahead and take care of some other chores today and check the
email
for any hits, and if nuthin turns up on here can hit the auto salvage
tomorrow or monday of next week.
Does anyone have any genius ideas on a small charger unit for a
single deep
cycle bat?
TIA
I picked up my donor '92 S-10 (ext cab) a few days ago, and would
use the
starter motor from it, but I"m gonna be using the truck for landscaping
projects around here during the spring while I research whose kit or
components to go with on the ElecTruck#1
Also I'll be looking for a few tools before the ET1 project gets going:
small hoist, MIG or suchlike welder (my oxy-acet rig hasn't been
used in a
decade and at the least I'm gonna need new hoses and the regulators
gone
thru - and they're probably not worth the effort.)
Thanks again, Stand
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John wrote:
riding very low. Looking back at my project notebook, the rear end
has dropped about 4 inches and the front is about 1 inch higher. Am I
likely to be able to "fix" this situation with a trip to a suspension
shop?
One option is a very common product known as an "ADD-A-LEAF". You can
get 2"-3" from inserting this stiff leaf in the bottom of your leaf
spring pack.
http://www.gorancho.com/flash/docs/2005_addleaf_levload.pdf
With some shopping around, you can find them at a fair price(example
product/price(different app))
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250105113747
Check it out:
http://www.performancepartswholesale.com/part_name/add_a_leaf_kit~parts.html
What about a lift block kit if you still need more height after that
added leaf? AutoZone for example sells these kits cheap on their
shelves.
(example)
http://www.jackit.com/blocks/blocks.htm
What is the current distance between your axle and the rubber bump
stop on your frame?
Is your axle currently under or over your leaf springs?
With some more searching, I'm sure aftermarket lift springs (4" - 6+"
over stock) could be found at not too much expense.
Do you have one of these shops in your city?
http://www.4wheelparts.com/
See if they could hook you up with some lift springs for the back.
One more option might even be so called "lift shackles".
Here is an add on product for a 1500lb increase in load carrying capacity:
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HEL%2D1515&N=700+4294925130+400349+4294843208+115&autoview=sku
Also, your trip to the suspension shop will always work too as they
can either mod or rebuild your leaf pack for proper load/ride height.
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At 08:24 PM 20/04/07 -0700, Michael Barkley wrote:
Anyone ever heard of LED headlight bulbs being on the market yet? Some of
my EVing is going to have to be at night or early dawn. 30+ minutes of
driving with the headlights on, would draw down quite a few amps of
battery power on my aux battery.
G'day Michael
IIRC someone like Lexus has LED headlights on their '07 models for the US.
Give it another couple of years and you'll probably have no problem getting
aftermarket systems for popular models, but for now I guess if you HAVE to
have a set, then you'll need to get a set off one of those and graft it in.
Oh for the old days when headlights came in one of 2 sizes of round...
But the additional intensity for your watts is probablly hard to justify
over halogens.
Hope this helps
Regards
[Technik] James
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I found that article too because this is kinda close to what I plan to
do sometime in the future. I agree with you Danny, this would never
work. It would take about a 20 hp engine to produce enough power to move
a typical car at highway speeds. But I think he might be misunderstood
in the article. Maybe what the article should say is that his rand is 75
miles on batteries and 1 gallon of gas. The lawnmower engine can never
charge the battery pack at the same rate energy is expended. But maybe
it is extending the range of a pack that might get 40 or 50 miles to 75
by helping with the gas engine. That's the only thing I can think of and
have the article still be somewhat credible. Interestingly, (and this
might just be a simplified picture) the schematic of his car shows 4 12V
automotive batteries. They are the wrong type to use for an ev anyway
right? And is it even possible to go 90mph on 48V? Looking closer at the
article he says the gereator handles power output up to 50 mph. From my
research this is completely incorrect. That's the only thing I can think
of and have the article still be somewhat credible. I'd like to ask that
guy some questions.
Paul
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Danny Miller
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:26 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: PNW Converting to Electric Lawn Mower
That guy is completely full of it. It's a hoax, fairly obvious too.
He claims his car- and since there's little unusual about its drag
profile or weight- could go 90mph and get 75 mpg on a 5 hp lawn mower
engine. There are figures for how much power is realistically required
to drive different sedans, and they're nowhere near that low. Well, you
can run on 5 hp but only as long as you stay below 10 mph or so.
Since it's obvious that a car cannot run on 5 hp even with batteries to
buffer the load, it's sort of beside the point, but a lawnmower engine
is also quite an inefficient engine and would not produce the hp-hr per
gal of fuel anywhere near what a normal car engine does. I expect that
even rolling along at 10 mph or so you'd run through more gas going 75
miles than a normal car.
So, given the story has zero credibility, I suggest you look elsewhere
to find out how appropriate (or not) an airplane starter might be. I
know nothing about them so I couldn't say if they're useful or not but
this story is a load of bull.
Danny
Chris wrote:
> I know that David who built the 75mpg hybrid
>
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Alternative-Energy/1979-07-01/An-Amazing-
75-MPG-Hybrid-Electic-Car.aspx
>
> used a airplane starter because it is made to run constantly without
> burning up and it is also a generator.
>
> Dave Wilker wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't use a starter motor. They are not made to run for more
>> than a few seconds at a time, and will burn up. If you can find an
>> old automotive generator, that would make a better power plant, in my
>> opinion.
>>
>>
>>
>> David C. Wilker Jr.
>> USAF (RET)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stand Culp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:20 PM
>> Subject: PNW Converting to Electric Lawn Mower
>>
>>
>>> I am looking for both an automotive starter motor, and a deep cycle
12V
>>> battery to power the mower.
>>> I checked out prices for the motor thru wrecking yards in the
>>> Portland Ore
>>> area and found a good deal, and was pondering where I can get an
>>> inexpensive
>>> deep cycle bat that'd be adequate to the job and thinking someone on
>>> the
>>> list (and in the Portland/Vancouver area) might have BOTH that I
could
>>> scrounge. Sooooooo, if you are converting and have a 12V starter
>>> motor and
>>> or a deep cycle that isn't up to par for a vehicle pack but might
>>> work for
>>> my conversion project, please let me know.
>>> I was gonna go to the wrecking yard today, but after this LIST
>>> brainstorm,
>>> I'll go ahead and take care of some other chores today and check the
>>> email
>>> for any hits, and if nuthin turns up on here can hit the auto
salvage
>>> tomorrow or monday of next week.
>>> Does anyone have any genius ideas on a small charger unit for a
>>> single deep
>>> cycle bat?
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> I picked up my donor '92 S-10 (ext cab) a few days ago, and would
>>> use the
>>> starter motor from it, but I"m gonna be using the truck for
landscaping
>>> projects around here during the spring while I research whose kit or
>>> components to go with on the ElecTruck#1
>>>
>>> Also I'll be looking for a few tools before the ET1 project gets
going:
>>> small hoist, MIG or suchlike welder (my oxy-acet rig hasn't been
>>> used in a
>>> decade and at the least I'm gonna need new hoses and the regulators
>>> gone
>>> thru - and they're probably not worth the effort.)
>>>
>>> Thanks again, Stand
>>>
>>
>>
>
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As far as I can tell, Listproc's behavior hasn't changed. I think (but am
not certain) that we happen to have several new members who are sending
html. Also, some previous sources of plain text seem to have somehow been
switched to html. This seems to be the case with Gmail. More than this I
don't know right now.
I confess that I'm not putting a lot of effort into running this down
because Listproc will be going away in (I hope!) a few weeks. SJSU, and
thus EVDL, will be converting to Mailman. Thus, as the old song goes, all
of Listproc's old bugs will be removed and replaced with shiny new Mailman
bugs. ;-)
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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The old Mother Earth News hybrid article has been discussed - and debunked -
on the EVDL several times. You'll find these threads in the archives. Go
to
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and type
"mother earth news" hybrid
(including the quotation marks) in the search box.
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EVLN(Tesla downgrades claim to 200mi range)
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http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_5695203?nclick_check=1
Tesla Motors modifies claim of 250 mile range
By Matt Nauman Mercury News 04/18/2007 09:43:01 AM PDT
Tesla Motors, the Silicon Valley electric-vehicle start-up, has
quietly told those who have put a deposit down on its first
vehicle that its range will be significantly less than
anticipated. Tesla, based in San Carlos, has taken nearly 400
deposits for its $98,000 roadster, a two-seat, zero-emissions
vehicle with claims that it can go from 0 to 60 mph in less than
four seconds, has a top speed of 130 mph and has a range of 250
miles when fully charged.
But in a communication with would-be owners last week, Tesla CEO
Martin Eberhard revealed that the roadster will have a range of
"greater than 200 miles," not 250.
Why? According to company marketing vice president Darryl Siry,
design changes to make the vehicle safer and more durable have
added several hundred pounds to the car's weight. Tesla also has
switched to lower capacity lithium-ion batteries "because they
have better long-term durability and higher tolerance for abuse,"
Siry said.
In an e-mail statement, Siry notes that the Tesla roadster will
still have a greater range than any production electric vehicle
in history. He also says that the company will continue to seek
ways to expand the range and that the premise that the range
would be large enough to not worry about daily charging remains
valid.
It's unclear how the news affected those who wrote checks of up
to $100,000 to get in line to buy a Tesla roadster.
Tesla plans to deliver its first roadster near the end of the
year. It has attracted some high-profile Silicon Valley figures
as investors and car buyers. That list also includes celebrities
such as actors George Clooney and Dennis Haysbert. Gov. Arnold
Schwarzenegger has been touting Tesla in speeches about the
environment and California's "green" future.
The company recently received the first of 10 validation
prototype vehicles, a final step before production begins in
England. The range deficiency was noticed on this vehicle when it
was being tested on a dynamometer certified to Environmental
Protection Agency standards.
This morning, Tesla's www.teslamotors.com Web site still boasted
the vehicle would get "250 miles per charge."
Contact Matt Nauman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or (408) 920-5701
Copyright 2007 San Jose Mercury News
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[Tesla web site has been updated]
http://www.teslamotors.com/learn_more/faqs.php
How far can the Tesla Roadster drive between charges?
Range depends on driving style and conditions. In general, we
expect more than 200 miles on a charge.
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April 20, 2007, 10:56 am
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EVLN(EMC pushing for Philippine EVs, 10passenger, 65kph)
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http://biz.balita.ph/html/article.php?story=20070418154747807
18 - Auto parts makers back comeback of electric cars
Wednesday, April 18 2007 @ 03:47 PM BST Business
The local auto parts makers comprising the Motor Vehicle Parts
Manufacturers Association of the Philippines (MVPMAP) has
signified its support for the Philippine Electric Vehicle (PEV)
Program.
The PEV Program aims to introduce a clean, sustainable and
affordable urban mass transport service on a limited travel
distance.
According to Dir. Ferdi Raquelsantos, head of MVPMAP's own
Philippine Utility Vehicle Program (PhUV), "the PEV is much like
our own PhUV as it can transport both cargoes and passengers,
though the PEV can operate only on a limited and confined range.
It currently has a local content of around 50 percent thus we
think that MVPMAP could help increase this to over 70 percent."
An electric vehicle (EV) is a motor vehicle powered by an
electric motor and an on-board source of electricity, normally a
battery pack.
Its advantages over a conventional internal combustion engine
fueled by gasoline are that it consumes power only when in
motion, emits no fumes and is very quiet even as it runs, thus
there is no wasted fuel in traffic, no air pollution and no
noise.
EVs far outnumbered gasoline vehicles at the turn of the 20th
century. However, with the continued improvements in the gasoline
engines and the availability (then) of inexpensive gasoline, EVs
became extinct in the 1920s.
It is only now that it is slowly making a comeback as car
manufacturers are coming up with the more expensive hybrid cars,
powered by a computer-controlled engine that runs on both
electricity and gasoline. Foremost among this is the Toyota
Prius.
Many Filipinos may be familiar with the EV in the form of the
electric golf carts seen in golf courses and even the bump cars
in the amusement centers of some malls.
The downside of an EV is that in current models, a four-hour full
charge on conventional 220 volts home outlet costs about P1,500
and can travel only 80 kms. This translates into about P18.75 per
km. compared to less than P5.00 per km. for gasoline-fed cars.
"This is another challenge that the PEV proponents will have to
address make the EV comparable to the gasoline-fed cars in
terms of operating cost per km. before we could mass produce
them", said Raquelsantos.
Romeo Morave, president of Electromotion Motor Corporation and at
the forefront of pushing for the PEV, said they are currently
studying using a battery pack being developed in the USA that
will increase the range of the EV to 200 to 300 miles (320 to 480
kms.).
"We are also looking at cheaper alternative 'refueling' schemes
such as photovoltaic arrays or solar cells. We are at the same
time studying the regenerative braking system in an EV that turns
the electric motor into a generator when the brakes are applied,
thus recharging the batteries during deceleration," he said.
"Currently, we have a PEV that sits 10 passengers, carries a
payload of over 1,200 pounds and runs at a maximum of about 65
kms per hour", Morave said.
The PEV is now being pilot tested by the Philippine Economic Zone
Authority within its Cavite Export Processing Zone to transport
some 90,000 workers daily within the zone.
The vehicle's co-inventor, Roel Judilla, former dean of
mechanical engineering at the Mapua Institute of Technology, said
the current PEV costs around P600,000 but he said they are
currently working to bring this down to about P300,000 to
P400,000 with the application of more local parts from MVPMAP
members. It has an AUV body supplied by Francisco Motors, one of
MVPMAP's partners in its PhUV Program.
"To avoid the exorbitant electricity costs, we are developing a
model that would run using solar energy. But at the moment, we
are marketing the PEV for specific short distances such as inside
the ecozones, military camps, subdivisions, theme and leisure
parks, golf courses and resorts", he said.
MVPMAP is currently evaluating the possibility of including the
PEV in its PhUV Program so that PEV manufacturers, parts makers
and buyers can also avail of the package of incentives being
finalized by the Board of Investments for the PhUV Program. This
will hopefully make the PEV affordable to own and feasible to
operate.(PNA)
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Fisher: Which shade of green works best for you?
By Patty Fisher Mercury News 04/16/2007 01:34:54 AM PDT
This is shaping up to be the Earth Day that environmentalists
must have dreamed about when they dreamed the event up almost 40
years ago.
Green is the new black.
[...]
I tracked down David Coale, who several people told me was
the greenest guy in town. Coale, 49, drives an electric car - a
candy-apple red MG Midget - and installs solar panels for a
living. He powers his home with photovoltaics, buys only local
food and looks down on bottled water.
But he doesn't think he's doing anything special.
"I wouldn't classify myself as extreme," he said. "The electric
car is a cool car to drive. Everyone should drive a cool car,
especially if it's electric."
Not `all or nothing'
[...]
Contact Patty Fisher at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
(650)688-7510.
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Global Warming: Issues and Answers A five-week discussion class
[...]
Instructor: David Coale, Acterra
5 weeks: February 6 through March 13 Tuesdays, 7:30 -
9:00 pm Palo Alto High School, Room 309 Cost: $45
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Exhibits information of Chery Auto for 2007 Shanghai
International Auto Exhibition
Chery Auto introduced several new model at Auto Shanghai 2007.
Here's the official press release:
Dazzling Concepts
[...]
Chery A3 Hybrid
The hybrid Chery A3 ISG is one dual-clutch parallel diesel strong
hybrid vehicle that equipped with independently developed 1.3L
diesel engine and 30KW permanent magnet synchronous motor, plus
the optional fully automatic transmission CVT, which is capable
of realizing the objective of 3.01L fuel consumption per 100km
and extreme low emission (exceeding Euro V standard).
When the vehicle is stopped, the system will enter auto idle
stop mode; when the vehicle is started, the ISG motor will
provide the drive power; then the engine will be started rapidly
by BSG motor and the vehicle will enter into parallel type
combined torque drive mode; when the vehicle is decelerated or
braked, the ISG motor will recover the energy as the alternator.
[...] 2007-04-20
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Eco-friendly cars showcased at Chico State
By HEATHER HACKING Staff Writer Chico Enterprise-Record
Article Launched:04/18/2007 12:00:00 AM PDT
It's not an over-generalization to say that men tend to like to
talk about their cars.
This well-practiced pastime was evident during the Environmental
Info Fair hosted by Chico State University Tuesday.
However, this time the guys weren't boasting about the size of
their engines or the reflection off chrome rims. They were
demonstrating how the vehicles people own can be easier on the
environment.
Over by the rose garden behind the library was an assemblage of
alternative fuel vehicles
[...]
Others were golf-car-sized electric vehicles.
They're street-approved, but only go about 25 mph. One is owned
by A.S. Recycling.
Prices range between $5,000-$10,000 explained Marco Ontiveros, a
senior and member of the Environmental Action Committee.
[...]
Chuck Alldrin, owner of Energy Alternatives, which sells products
for solar and wind power, has taken the idea of an electric car a
step further. He has his house equipped with solar panels so that
about 90 percent of his energy needs come from the sun.
He said he's been interested in electric vehicles for about 25
years. Alldrin said he likes the idea of being energy
independent.
He bought the car for $42,000. The 2002 RAV4EV is one of only
about 330 made for sale.
The Web site for Toyota said that although the release of the
vehicle was small, technology and testing of the RAV4 has led to
more recent breakthroughs in electric cars.
Alldrin said there are several hundred charging stations
throughout the state, including one that offers electricity for
free at the Butte County Air Quality Control Board headquarters.
[...]
Alldrin said he believes electric vehicles were stalled as far as
mass production in the country because of the politics behind
more efficient vehicles.
Not only do they not require fossil fuels, they require less
maintenance due to the lack of combustion engines.
They don't require smog checks, another industry financed by
gas-burning vehicles.
Alldrin's electric vehicle requires less than 2 quarts of oil for
the transmission, he said.
Alldrin is president of the Chico chapter of the Electric Auto
Association, [ http://geocities.com/chicoeaa ]. Check out the
national Web site at www.eaaev.org.
A complete listing of the Earth Month events throughout April can
be found at www.aschico.com. Search for the words Earth Month.
Staff writer Heather Hacking can be reached at 896-7758 or
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US govt funds half $28m plug-in hybrid battery research
17th April 2007
The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) will provide up to $14
million in funding for a $28 million cost-shared solicitation by
the U.S. Advanced Battery Consortium (USABC), for plug-in hybrid
electric vehicle (PHEV) battery development. The research aims to
find solutions to improving battery performance so vehicles can
deliver up to 40 miles of electric range without recharging.
DOE and USABC hope to identify electrochemical storage
technologies capable of meeting or approaching USABCs criteria
for performance, weight, life-cycle, and cost. Other
considerations include the potential to commercialize proposed
battery technologies and bring them to market quickly.
USABC is a consortium of the United States Council for Automotive
Research (USCAR), the umbrella organisation for collaborative
research among DaimlerChrysler, Ford and General Motors.
Supported by a cooperative agreement with the DOE, USABCs
mission is to develop electrochemical energy storage technologies
that support commercialization of fuel cell, hybrid, and electric
vehicles.
A copy of USABCs request for proposal information can be
downloaded at:
http://www.uscar.org/guest/article_view.php?articles_id=87 The
submission deadline is Thursday, May 31, 2007. For more
information on DOEs Vehicle Technologies Program, visit:
http://www.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/.
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Monday, April 16, 2007
Plug-In Hybrids Weaken the Case for Hydrogen Vehicles
The U.S. DOE continues to fund hydrogen research, a long term
proposition that could be mute moot if plug-in hybrids become
commercially successful.
The Department of Energy just issued grants for $8.2 million for
four projects at university and national research labs. Yes, that
is a piddling amount as far as the national energy budget goes,
but it is only part of the money going to hydrogen fuel cell
vehicle research.
Both plug-in hybrids and hydrogen vehicles would reduce petroleum
consumption and emissions, but hydrogen requires an entirely new
distribution network of pipelines and fuel stations, and we are
not close to finding any cost effective methods of producing
hydrogen from anything but petroleum products today. Fuel cell
vehicles have the promise of being able to power a vehicle for
300 miles or more (plug-in hybrids are aiming for 50 miles on a
charge), but that is probably just as hard as creating affordable
electric vehicles.
Renewable energy (wind, solar, hydro) can be used to electrolyze
water into hydrogen and oxygen, but that isn't nearly as
efficient as storing electricity in car batteries. Instead of
investing tens of billions in hydrogen infrastructure, that
electricity could be sent to plug-in hybrids with minimal
infrastructure investment.
Earlier this month the DOE granted $14 million in research for
plug-in hybrid batteries, so the agency is covering all of its
bases. Fuel cell vehicles remain an option for the long term, but
if the goal is to reduce fossil fuel use in the short term,
plug-in hybrids seem to be a much better bet.
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