EV Digest 6685
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) EVLN(Rao's Horoscopes: hybrid moral superiority)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) EVLN(Proton EVE Hybrid with Lotus Engineering)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) EVLN(AU: free hybrid registration scheme)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) EVLN(Eliminate new or used hybrid purchase NY sales tax legislation)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) EVLN(Toyota and Honda's heated Formula One race battle)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Isolating e-meter, 2 dc/dc needed?
by Mark Dutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: Silly Tweety!
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Notes on the EVDL transition to Mailman
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: PNW Converting to Electric Lawn Mower
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Isolating e-meter, 2 dc/dc needed?
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: new S-10e?
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: Isolating e-meter, 2 dc/dc needed?
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) incorrect truncated messages? was: LED headlight bulbs?
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: EV APU (genset) emissions & FE
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: incorrect truncated messages? was: LED headlight bulbs?
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: PNW Converting to Electric Lawn Mower
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: "A123 propably out of buisness in a few years"
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) 500,000 Votes by Earth Day
by Joseph Lado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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http://media.www.osusentinel.com/media/storage/paper1151/news/2007/04/18/Culture/Raos-Horoscopes-2850694.shtml
Rao's Horoscopes By: Sandeep Rao Posted: 4/18/07
[...]
Cancer (June 22 - July 22): You will announce your support for
free range chicken to battle the moral superiority of your hybrid
car owner roommate.
Leo (July 23 - Aug 22): Your hybrid car owner roommate will
counter you with his newfound veganism to render you
defenseless.
[...]
Pisces (Feb 19 - Mar 20): Your job writing crappy columns for the
Sentinel will be immune from foreign outsourcing because even
poorly written stories with bad grammar must be in English.
© Copyright 2007 The Sentinel
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http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/Engnews/20070419/640000000020070419114337E9.html
Toyota's Korean unit extends battery warranty amid stagnant sales
of hybrid cars
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EVLN(Proton EVE Hybrid with Lotus Engineering)
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http://www.gizmag.com/go/7130/
Proton unveils prototype Hybrid Car Developed In Collaboration
With Lotus from Automotive (1126 articles) Page: 1 2 3 4 5
April 16, 2007 Malaysias National auto manufacturer Proton has
unveiled its first Hybrid prototype, designed in collaboration
with Lotus Engineering. It is just over two decades since the
company bolted together its first cars from Mitsubishi parts
imported from Japan, but as the company has grown in strength, it
has acquired considerable engineering design, development and
manufacturing expertise, pulling off a major coup with its
acquisition of Lotus in 1996. The 'EVE Hybrid' (Efficient,
Viable, Environmental) research and development project was a
collaboration of Proton and Lotus and EVE sports some impressive
vital statistics. EVE has a 1.6litre petrol engine, which uses a
'micro-hybrid' start-stop system, a full parallel hybrid drive
and a continuously variable transmission to achieve fuel economy
of 5.6 litres/100km. maximum torque of whopping 233Nm at 1500rpm
and maximum power of 105kW at 5500rpm enabling the car to
accelerate from 0-100km/h in 9.0 seconds with a top speed of
188.8 km/h.
Extensive performance and drive cycle modeling of the prototype
hybrid variant using the EVE Hybrid technologies indicate
impressive performance figures.
Using the full parallel hybrid configuration the car can achieve
fuel economy of 5.6 litres/100km (a 28 percent improvement over a
standard petrol Proton GEN.2) while producing maximum torque of
233Nm at 1500rpm and maximum power of 105kW at 5500rpm enabling
the car to accelerate from 0-100km/h in 9.0 seconds with a top
speed of 188.8 km/h and a CO2 emission level of just 134g/km, a
22 percent reduction compared with the standard car.
Proton has not revealed any details of when or if the prototype
EVE Hybrid will be mass-produced.
The system showcases how OEMs can introduce lower emissions
variants to existing model ranges that currently only offer
conventional gasoline and diesel powertrains.
Lotus Engineering believes the application of hybrid technology
is a key route for CO2 emissions reduction and that in the short
term it will remain more viable to integrate hybrid technologies
into existing model ranges than to develop expensive new
dedicated hybrid platforms.
The EVE system will provide Proton solutions that will keep price
premiums for hybrid variants to a minimum, thanks to lower
development costs.
This new hybrid system is available immediately for introduction
within current and next generation model lifecycles.
The EVE Hybrid program is focused on establishing the processes
for integrating hybrid technology with minimal development time
and cost, overcoming many of the challenges associated with
integrating hybrid technology into existing platforms through
intelligent, compact and discreet packaging of the necessary
hybrid components.
Ultimately the EVE system is aimed at providing strong, viable
business case propositions for offering a hybrid variant on a
medium-high volume production car.
The research and development program was undertaken by a
cross-functional team of Proton and Lotus engineers working
together at Proton's base at Shah Alam near Kuala Lumpur in
Malaysia and at Lotus Engineering's Hethel Headquarters in the
UK.
The resulting EVE Hybrid Prototype was based on a Proton GEN.2
with a 1.6litre petrol engine, showcasing a trio of
production-representative technologies including:
- a 'micro-hybrid' start-stop system - a full parallel hybrid
drive - a continuously variable transmission
Compared to the baseline Proton GEN.2, tailpipe emissions are
reduced from a competitive 172g/km to just 134g/km, a reduction
of 22 percent, while fuel economy improves 28 percent from
7.2litres/100km to 5.6 litres/100km.
According to Mike Kimberley, Chief Executive Officer of Group
Lotus, the technologies and know-how showcased in the EVE Hybrid
are the latest addition to the Proton family of companies suite
of efficient performance solutions for the automotive industry.
"As an automotive consultancy and global OEM, we are able to
manage all elements of a hybrid integration project, with
extensive drivetrain, vehicle, electrical and control systems
expertise from design and development through to production,"
said Mr. Kimberley.
This project is an example of how the Proton / Lotus family can
successfully deliver exceptional projects and products and the
EVE Hybrid technology further reinforces the Group's position as
creative technology leaders in 'green' automotive engineering.
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EVLN(AU: free hybrid registration scheme)
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21580385-662,00.html
Free registration plan for enviro-friendly drivers
By Steven Wardill April 19, 2007 01:00am
Calls to offer hybrid car drivers free registration
Move would save drivers $260 a year
QUEENSLAND motorists buying environmentally friendly cars would
receive free vehicle registration under a Coalition scheme.
The Coalition plans to introduce legislation today that would
exempt buyers of hybrid electric vehicles from registration
charges.
If backed by the Government, the move would save owners about
$260 a year.
They would still pay compulsory third party insurance fees.
Coalition environment spokeswoman Rosemary Menkens said free
registration would encourage motorists to buy environmentally
friendly cars - a move that would cut greenhouse gas emissions.
"Hybrid cars use an electric motor to supplement a petrol engine,
which reduces carbon dioxide emissions and ensures the petrol
engine is used at its most efficient," Ms Menkens said.
"While a number of countries in Europe and individual states in
the USA are offering financial incentives to their residents to
buy and use hybrid cars, no similar incentives are offered in
Queensland and as a result very few hybrids are driven on our
roads."
Figures compiled by the Queensland parliamentary library reveal
217 of the 2.7 million cars registered to drive on the state's
roads are hybrid vehicles.
Premier Peter Beattie has previously championed hybrid cars, such
as the Toyota Prius.
In 2003, Mr Beattie called for the vehicles to be exempt from
import taxes, saving owners about $2000. This was later promised
by federal Labor.
The State Government has also introduced hybrid vehicles into its
fleet, while several backbenchers have bought them to use as
their electorate vehicles.
However, the Government has refused to cut stamp duties on
hybrids and in 2004 Transport Minister Paul Lucas rejected calls
for cut-price registration.
At the time, Mr Lucas argued the Government already offered
cheaper registration to more fuel-efficient cars, with the price
for four-cylinder passenger cars $100 less than six-cylinder
vehicles.
However, Ms Menkens said the Government should reconsider, as its
own petrol price inquiry in 2005 recommended further registration
discounts.
She said the Government collected $813 million in vehicle
registration in 2005-06 and eliminating registration fees would
cost only $57,000 at this stage.
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EVLN(Eliminate new or used hybrid purchase NY sales tax
legislation)
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http://www.star-gazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070418/UPDATE/304180034
ALBANY -- Buying a hybrid car can save drivers hundreds of
dollars on gas, and it could get even cheaper if a bill proposed
today becomes law.
Two Long Island lawmakers have introduced legislation that would
eliminate state sales tax on the purchase of a new or used hybrid
vehicle. The bill would also allow cities and counties to opt in
to the tax waiver.
"As automobiles are among the greatest producers of greenhouse
gas emissions and air pollutants, out state should be using its
tax policies to promote the purchase of hybrid and fuel-efficient
vehicles," said Assemblyman Steven Englebright, D-Suffolk County.
"Middle-class New Yorkers know the issues and want to do
something about it, but they need to able to afford the
technology."
The bill defines hybrid vehicles as those with a highway fuel
economy of 35 miles per gallon or better, a class that a handful
of new cars fit into. Typically, a hybrid vehicle is considered
one that uses more than one source of energy. The term is usually
applied to cars that use a normal internal combustion engine
while accelerating and switch to an electric battery when idling
or cruising. A model touted often by environmentalists is the
2007 Toyota Prius, which has fuel efficiency of up to 55 miles
per gallon, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.
The goals of the measure are to reduce the state's dependence on
foreign oil and combat climate change, which has mainly been
attributed to carbon emissions from cars and power plants, said
co-sponsor Sen. Dean Skelos, R-Nassau County. The lawmakers said
they didn't know what the full cost to the state would be.
Environmental groups applauded the idea.
"Global warming is among the greatest threats to birds, other
wildlife and people that we have ever experienced. We still have
the power to affect how serious its consequences will be but we
must act now," said Albert Caccese, Executive Director of Audubon
New York. "Acquiring a high efficiency or hybrid vehicle is a
good, and very affordable, start."
According to Consumer Reports, hybrid models require an
investment of about five years for the owner to break even, with
drivers enjoying an average savings of $425 a year on gas.
The lawmakers said 22,799 hybrids are registered in the state --
11,634 of those were registered in 2005. The state had offered a
tax credit of up to $2,000 -- but state legislators let it expire
that year.
Last year, a federal tax deduction was converted into a credit,
and will be phased out as more hybrids are purchased. The amount
varies depending on the make and model of the car and the date it
was purchased.
Some states have come up with even more "creative" solutions to
entice drivers into buying hybrids, said John Stouffer of the
Sierra Club. A California bill would enact a "feebate", or
fee/rebate program. Under it, drivers who buy cars with
less-than-average fuel efficiency would be charged a fee and
those who buy cars with higher efficiencies would get a rebate.
This would balance out any loss of money from the incentive,
Stouffer said.
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EVLN(Toyota and Honda's heated Formula One race battle)
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http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200704170074.html
asahi.com>ENGLISH>Nation>article 04/17/2007
Toyota, Honda take their green battle to F1 circuit
BY KAZUO TERANISHI, THE ASAHI SHIMBUN
Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. are in a heated battle to
best the other in the prestigious Formula One race circuit.
While the two carmakers want their F1 racers to take the
checkered flag at the track, they are also competing to show who
is most committed to environmental issues.
Honda's car drew attention at this year's first Grand Prix race
in Australia. Among the field of cars painted the usual red and
white, Honda's blue and green paint scheme depicting the Earth
stood out.
Company officials decided not to plaster their sponsors' logos on
the car this season, opting instead to turn the racer into a
publicity tool to highlight Honda's focus on environmental
protection.
Honda's sponsors are allowed to use photos and images of the F1
racer in their product displays or in sales campaigns.
Until last year, British American Tobacco (BAT) was Honda's main
sponsor. However, BAT cut back on advertising in response to
criticism about the dangers of smoking cigarettes.
Faced with the tough task of finding a new sponsor, Honda chose
instead to use the car as a vehicle to advertise its corporate
message to a global audience.
"The environment is an issue every automaker faces," said
Yasuhiro Wada, chairman of Honda GP Ltd. "We want to take a stand
on environmental protection through a medium that is watched by
about 600 million people around the world."
Meanwhile, Toyota is stressing technology to gain a lap ahead of
its rival.
The Federation Internationale de L'Automobile, which hosts the F1
races, is considering installing hybrid systems in F1 cars. And
Toyota would be expected to play a leading role since its Prius
is considered the front-runner among hybrid vehicles.
Toyota's technology department has begun developing a highly
efficient hybrid system that could be incorporated in F1 racers.
Tadashi Yamashina,
Toyota's managing officer in charge of motor sports, said, "While
the system would be completely different from ordinary vehicles,
there are parts that could be used in an F1 car."
Honda engineers are also busy developing a hybrid vehicle that
could compete on the F1 circuit. "We want to take the lead in F1
by seeking the forefront of not just speed, but also of
environmental technology," said Wada.
The two automakers have also competed over who gets to host the
Japanese Grand Prix.
This year's event will take place from Sept. 28 to 30 at Fuji
Speedway in Oyama, Shizuoka Prefecture.
Toyota invested capital in the speedway in 2000 and more than 20
billion yen has been spent since 2002 to overhaul the facility to
improve spectator safety.
Since 1987, the Japanese Grand Prix had been held at the Suzuka
Circuit, which Honda owns. However, the contract for holding the
Grand Prix expired last year, prompting the two companies as well
as local governments that are home to circuits to fight to bring
the Grand Prix to their track.
Fuji Speedway won the honor.
But officials at Suzuka Circuit are planning a facility overhaul
in a bid to bring the Grand Prix back to Mie
Prefecture.(IHT/Asahi: April 17,2007)
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Can someone please clarify the following, I'm still not clear on this
issue from way back...
Using a isolated IOTA dc/dc converter with an aux battery on the same
system and an e-meter, is it still necessary to have a second small
dc/dc converter dedicated for the e-meter or is this only the case
when you have a non-isolated dc/dc converter? Do I need a second dc/
dc converter or am I covered by the IOTA? I think this is a yes but
not sure....
Thanks,
Mark
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No Rod, I don't believe it, not for a minute ;-P
So what rear end do you have in it?
A Harley with a 9" motor and a 9" rear??
They probably don't let you drive it on the golf course either, eh?
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Roderick Wilde
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:40 PM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Silly Tweety!
>
>
> You probably won't believe this but I already have a golf cart built with a
> full roll cage set up to run 336 volts with a 2000 amp controller. It has a
> nine inch ADC motor and the old rear wrinkle wall Mickey Thompson 13" slicks
> off "White Zombie". It is named "Amprageous". I figure it should do 0 to 100
> mph in six seconds. I still need to get front disc brakes on it. It is
> currently in storage awaiting additional funding. It is a 1974 Harley
> Davidson golf cart so in reality it is a Harley 74 :-) Father Time has done
> a lot of work on it. It was actually built for a TV show but we didn't
> finish it in time and the track owner at Woodburn said that even if we did
> he wouldn't let it run. Oh well, it will eventually make a great illegal NEV
> :-)
>
> Roderick Wilde
> "Suck Amps EV Racing"
> www.suckamps.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Silly Tweety!
>
>
> > Roderick wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSRAdt4LhFs
> >
> > Surprising how well it hooks up! Maybe put a controller bypass on it?
> >
> > That would be funny to take it out on the interstate and be passing
> > people at ~80 with it.
> >
> > Borrow that yellow 13" motor and put 348 volts of something to it...
> >
> >
> >
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Just to clarify, here are a few notes about the forthcoming listserver
change.
1. SJSU (San Jose State University), which has generously hosted the EVDL at
no charge since the list's inception in 1991, is converting to Mailman as
their listserver software. The transition is being handled gradually, with
lists being transferred to the new system one by one.
2. As of today (21 April) we are still on Listproc, the old system. I don't
know when we'll be switched over, but I'll post that information as soon as
I have it.
3. There shouldn't be any dropped messages, or any significant interruption
in list traffic.
4. You won't need to resubscribe. SJSU will automatically transfer your
subscription to the new server.
5. There will be a new posting address, but email sent to the old one will
be forwarded to the new one.
6. The procedures for such tasks as subscribing, unsubscribing, setting
digest mode, and suspending mail will change. I'll email the list about the
changes, and will also post the information on evdl.org, when the changeover
to Mailman occurs.
If you have comments, questions, or concerns, please email me at my private
address and I'll try to answer them (or do my best to find out if I can't).
You can find my address at the bottom of http://www.evdl.org/help/ - it's
the one that starts with "evist."
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Actually since he says the generator produces 29.5V, I think he's saying
he's running 2 sets of 2 batts in parallel. A 24V system.
Possible to go fast? In theory... but not in practice. The current
required is impractical.
I don't see anywhere where the article says he claims 75 mpg based on
partial battery use. Perhaps they misquoted him, but it's saying 75 mpg
indefinitely on gasoline the way I read it. Nor does it say he claims
the generator is supposed to spend longer charging while stopped than
driving.
Wanna contact the author? Check the date. That guy's article is from
1979! (I find it amusing that they refer to a gal of gas as "four
quarts of the expensive liquid"... 1979...)
I think there's plenty enough hard reasons to discredit the capabilities
he claims. There's hard data here on what an EV can do, he's done
nothing that would improve upon it other than the claim of regenerative
braking and this 24V or 48V system can't possibly live up to what people
are doing now. I'm not going to bother asking how he could be saying it
if it isn't true. Heck, Tilley has far more "documentation" on his
accomplishments in the Tilley EV.
Danny
childreypa wrote:
I found that article too because this is kinda close to what I plan to
do sometime in the future. I agree with you Danny, this would never
work. It would take about a 20 hp engine to produce enough power to move
a typical car at highway speeds. But I think he might be misunderstood
in the article.
I can think
of and have the article still be somewhat credible. I'd like to ask that
guy some questions.
Paul
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On 20 Apr 2007 at 22:41, Mark Dutko wrote:
> Do I need a second dc:dc converter
Yes, you do.
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Steve,
Do you have a more precise location?
In the San Jose area there are at least 3 US Electricar S10 trucks,
though these are 1994 S10. Some people have upgraded their S10 to
show quality.
The name is written in italic (slanted) characters on the bottom
of the doors and the front of the bed, just below the rear
cabin window. It is spelled: U.S. Electricar
Mine also has ELEC-TRUCK on the tailgate.
Max speed of these vehicles is 72 MPH, because the motor then
reaches its redline of 9,000 RPM.
No doubt there are other trucks running around - I have
occasionally seen other electric S-10 in the area, there are
at least two other versions of factory converted S10 and
several homemade conversions.
Any more details?
Cor van de Water
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of S. Love
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: new S-10e?
Anyone know about the nice and shiny brand new S-10e that passed me on 101n
(headed towards San Francisco) this afternoon?
I caught up to it, and it has "electric" badges on the side and tailgate,
but sped away at a much faster velocity than I wanted to go...
beautifully silent.
I am still amazed at the acceleration!, From consistent freeway speeds it
took off as if I wasn't even moving. Absolutely incredible! much better
performance than any of the original S-10ev's I have driven. I wonder how
the range holds up..
Does anyone know if these are being produced again?
either from GM, as OEM or professionally done, like the Solectra or U.S.
Electricar?
My wife thinks it may be a one-off for something to do with earthday this
weekend, I would love more information on one..
Thanks
Steve
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Mark,
The E-meter is directly connected to the propulsion pack to
measure its voltage and current.
There is no internal isolation in an E-meter, so if you
would connect the E-meter directly to your aux battery,
then this would connect your pack to chassis ground,
creating a ground fault and a hazard.
(It will -bypass- the isolation in the IOTA by connecting
IOTA's input and output together.)
You can choose between using a second DC/DC converter
from your propulsion pack (for example a laptop brick
or a dedicated low power converter with HiPOT isolation)
or a 12V to 12V converter which isolates your E-meter
but allows it to run from the aux battery.
Having your E-meter always on is a great way to track
usage and make sure that recharge balances the charge
removed driving plus inefficiency.
Hth,
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Dutko
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:41 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Isolating e-meter, 2 dc/dc needed?
Can someone please clarify the following, I'm still not clear on this issue
from way back...
Using a isolated IOTA dc/dc converter with an aux battery on the same system
and an e-meter, is it still necessary to have a second small dc/dc converter
dedicated for the e-meter or is this only the case when you have a
non-isolated dc/dc converter? Do I need a second dc/ dc converter or am I
covered by the IOTA? I think this is a yes but not sure....
Thanks,
Mark
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That is odd - I received a complete, text-only message from Michael
(see below) and I see a reply from Danny Miller which shows that
he received an empty message with only the -TRUNCATED- warning.
Is the SJSU server incorrectly truncating plain text messages?
To help debugging I have added the headers (up to the point of
hitting my company's email server) below the original message.
It seems that the header claims it is an alternative Multipart (?),
though it does not show anything odd in the email itself, which
is plain text only as confirmed in the header (twice).
<scratching head>
Cor van de Water
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Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Michael Barkley
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:24 PM
To: EVDL.ORG EVDL.org
Subject: LED headlight bulbs?
Anyone ever heard of LED headlight bulbs being on the market yet? Some of
my EVing is going to have to be at night or early dawn. 30+ minutes of
driving with the headlights on, would draw down quite a few amps of battery
power on my aux battery.
Michael Barkley
"You might be a REDNECK, if it ain't ELECTRIC"
www.texomaev.com
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From: Michael Barkley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LED headlight bulbs?
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> Rob&Amy Smith wrote:
>> why not build a genset out of a wrecked Prius :-)
> So, your best bet with a Prius is to use it as a pusher trailer. It can
> also charge your EV's batteries (if you happen to have a 250-273v pack).
> However, even this will be a challenge, due to the number of computers
> and associated parts that will have to be "tricked".
Hmm, wouldn't it be easy, simpler, more efficient, and possibly cheaper to
just drive a Prius AS a Prius?
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I checked the original message from Michael Barkley, as sent to me from the
server, and it looks like what I'd expect for a multipart/alternative
message with an html part truncated. It definitely doesn't look like what
Danny Miller quoted. Maybe it confused his email client.
I will admit that it's curious that the excised part is identified as US
Ascii and the first part, iso-8859-1, is intact.
I also note that the first part, the iso-8859-1, has no line breaks. That
doesn't seem right, but what do I know?
Thanks for the note, but again, I'm not getting too worked up over this;
Listproc is not long for this world.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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There has been a LOT of controversy over that particular Hybrid. Mostly
due to the fact that nobody other than the author has been able to
duplicate the claimed results.
I beleive Mother Earth News even printed article stating that they were
unable to duplicate the Authors claims.
I beleive it turned out that he was able to go 75 miles on one gallon of
gas AND a fully charged battery pack, AND this was at relatively low
speeds. As I recall the battery pack alone got something like 40-50 miles
under the same conditions.
> I know that David who built the 75mpg hybrid
> http://www.motherearthnews.com/Alternative-Energy/1979-07-01/An-Amazing-75-MPG-Hybrid-Electic-Car.aspx
> used a airplane starter because it is made to run constantly without
> burning up and it is also a generator.
>
> Dave Wilker wrote:
>> I wouldn't use a starter motor. They are not made to run for more than
>> a few seconds at a time, and will burn up. If you can find an old
>> automotive generator, that would make a better power plant, in my
>> opinion.
>>
>>
>>
>> David C. Wilker Jr.
>> USAF (RET)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stand Culp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:20 PM
>> Subject: PNW Converting to Electric Lawn Mower
>>
>>
>>> I am looking for both an automotive starter motor, and a deep cycle 12V
>>> battery to power the mower.
>>> I checked out prices for the motor thru wrecking yards in the
>>> Portland Ore
>>> area and found a good deal, and was pondering where I can get an
>>> inexpensive
>>> deep cycle bat that'd be adequate to the job and thinking someone on
>>> the
>>> list (and in the Portland/Vancouver area) might have BOTH that I could
>>> scrounge. Sooooooo, if you are converting and have a 12V starter
>>> motor and
>>> or a deep cycle that isn't up to par for a vehicle pack but might
>>> work for
>>> my conversion project, please let me know.
>>> I was gonna go to the wrecking yard today, but after this LIST
>>> brainstorm,
>>> I'll go ahead and take care of some other chores today and check the
>>> email
>>> for any hits, and if nuthin turns up on here can hit the auto salvage
>>> tomorrow or monday of next week.
>>> Does anyone have any genius ideas on a small charger unit for a
>>> single deep
>>> cycle bat?
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> I picked up my donor '92 S-10 (ext cab) a few days ago, and would use
>>> the
>>> starter motor from it, but I"m gonna be using the truck for landscaping
>>> projects around here during the spring while I research whose kit or
>>> components to go with on the ElecTruck#1
>>>
>>> Also I'll be looking for a few tools before the ET1 project gets going:
>>> small hoist, MIG or suchlike welder (my oxy-acet rig hasn't been used
>>> in a
>>> decade and at the least I'm gonna need new hoses and the regulators
>>> gone
>>> thru - and they're probably not worth the effort.)
>>>
>>> Thanks again, Stand
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Not unnecessarily. Private held companies are sold if
price is right. The difference is it is easier to sell
because the FTC does not get as involved and a smaller
group of people make the decision to sell or hang on.
I how this does not happen to 123. But private
companies get bought up for their patents and
contracts. Or they get mergered into another company
because they get cash strapped. The FTC only tries to
prevent monopolies.
--- Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A123 Systems is privately held, not publicly traded.
> Corporate
> takeovers only happen with publicly traded
> companies.
>
> At 08:31 PM 4/20/2007, you wrote:
> >This got me worried about A123Systems' future when
> I read it:
> >
>
>http://www.a123systems.com/html/news/articles/010307_cobasys.html
> >
> >Since we all know how well Cobasys are using their
> NiMH patents for
> >EVs. Corporate takeover and (virtual) patent
> shelving seems more likely.
> >
> >I sincerely hope my concerns prove to be
> unfounded..
> >
> >-Ian
> >
> >On 21/04/2007, at 10:30 AM, Jeff Shanab wrote:
> >
> >>I have wondered about them for another reason.
> Being more of a
> >>facilitator than an actual manufacturer, they are
> chargeing quite a
> >>primium for their "value added" or are being
> forced to buy at too high
> >>of a cost. I already have quotes for similar cells
> at about 1/2 the
> >>price for around june. We shall see if it is hype
> or if it is real.
> >>
> >>The point is that there can be a backlash from
> buisnesses buying their
> >>cells if they take too long to lower their prices.
> If the wait
> >>until or
> >>can't lower their prices until after someone else
> comes out with
> >>cells
> >>at a better value, and purchasers switch, there is
> a good chance those
> >>customers will be very hard to win back.
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
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