EV Digest 6695
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Bypass Contactor > Mark Hanson
by Michael Barkley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: DC-DC converter
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Raptur 600 Hookitup!
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: My battery charger made up of 9 small battery chargers
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Series R for Deka Intimidator
by MIKE WILLMON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Electric Boat design
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: New member
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: We're screwed. NIce story ..
by "Michaela Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: New member
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Electric Boats
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Going Over The Limit
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Electric Boat design
by "jerryd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Electric Boat design
by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: We're screwed
by "FRED JEANETTE MERTENS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Montana Enacts Law Enabling Medium-Speed Electric Vehicles; First
in US
by "Darin - at - metrompg.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Raptur 600 Hookitup!
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: We're screwed. NIce story ..
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Electric Boat design
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: DC-DC converter
by "Adrian DeLeon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: DC-DC converter
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Lithium Iron phosphate with BMS
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Raptur 600 Hookitup!
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Electric Boats
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) RE: Electric Boats
by Rodney A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) RE: DC-DC converter
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Lithium Iron phosphate with BMS
by "Timothy Balcer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) RE: We're screwed.
by "Freddie Hartsell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: LED headlight bulbs?Very OT
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: DC-DC converter
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Mr. Hanson, you mentioned, homebuilt controller with
1200amp capacity in your last post. My mouth started
watering with that statement. You wouldn't be
interested in sharing schematics on it would ya? Heck
with that kinda controller, who needs all this talk of
bypassing the controller....lol
--- Mark Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've always had a bypass contactor (and an engage
> contactor that closes upon
> pressing the accelerator peddle) and havn't blown a
> controller for that
> reason. The single back EMF spike when releasing
> the bypass contactor isn't
> sufficient to blow the back emf diode anyway AND the
> PWM is still at 100%
> duty cycle at that time so the fets are still on (if
> done correctly). You
> can put a 22 ohm resistor in series with the diode
> on the 12V coil to make
> the bypass contactor drop out quickly so the
> controller is still at 100% at
> that time.. On my homebuilt controllers I havn't
> bothered though as i have
> 1200A worth of fets & diodes.
>
> Have a renewable energy day,
> Mark
>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:50:42 -0400
> From: "Darin - at - metrompg.com"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Issues involved in a controller bypass?
> (ForkenSwift)
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> Michael, thanks for posting that.
>
> I think it goes without saying that a mechanical
> safety disconnect
> should be part of any bypass system (if it's not
> already part of a
> non-bypassed system).
>
> Darin
>
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I have been playing with a dc to dc that I got for Marlin p jones surplus
www.mpja.com , the caps are rated at 200 but there are 2 in series and they are
part of a voltage dubbler currite which they engage for 120 and don't for 240ac
. the 300v car charges to 375. Many of these 120ac unites have a voltage
doubler in side which you buypass or disconnect . The problem I'm haveing with
them is that even though they say under voltage protected I've brunned one out
charging a dead battery . I have had some luck with the small dc to dc that are
used for computers , if there ratingis 100 to 240 , not 120 or 240 switchable ,
as these have a dubbler in them . I've used a 15v 2 amp ones and put 2 diodes
to drop the voltage 1.4v .
steve clunn
>
> From: Rodney A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/04/23 Mon PM 11:24:50 EDT
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: RE: DC-DC converter
>
>
> What if you have a 300 V pack though? I am not aware
> of a DC-DC convertor
> that can deal with that input voltage?
>
> Thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Adrian DeLeon
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2007 4:29 AM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: DC-DC converter
>
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:51:50 -0700, Mark Dutko
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > When you say "barely keeps up" do you mean 45 amps
> is not enough? Why
> > not get the DLS 75? I will be using two DLS 220 55
> amp each.
>
> It barely keeps the 12V battery charged. The lack of
> current is due to the
> low input voltage, not the 45A output limit. With 100V
> input, the DLS-45
> won't deliver 45A. It's very obvious at night when I
> put my foot down on
> the pedal - lights dim, fans slow down, etc. As soon
> as my foot comes up,
> the lights get brighter. Eventually the Zilla will
> toss a "SLI low voltage
> warning" at me...
>
> The IOTA is rated down to 108VAC (151VDC), so it's
> running in "brownout"
> mode with my 114V pack. The Zivan NG1-DC is rated to
> 108VDC, but it does
> the same thing. I can watch my 12V system go from 14V
> to 12V as my pack
> voltags drops from 120V to 100V while accelerating. If
> I don't drive
> during the day (or if it rains for a week) I have to
> manually charge the
> 12V battery every other day.
>
> The Zivan performs much better than the IOTA, but I
> still need to find a
> better unit. What I've found so far:
>
> Vicor MegaMod - 3 VI-200 units in parallel, mounted in
> a 2.58in x 7.3in x
> 0.62in case. 110VDC input option covers 66V-160V at
> 450W. $437 and I would
> need to mount a heatsink/fan. The applications
> engineer wasn't thrilled
> with leaving the 12V battery in place. Said it would
> only trickly charge
> with the 13.8V output. But if everything works right
> the 12V battery will
> only get used when sitting in the parking lot
> listening to the radio (or
> if the DC/DC fails or overloads).
>
> Absopulse RWY280. It's a rebadged unit from another
> company - made for
> railway use. Rugged, fully enclosed, 57V-168V input,
> 280W output, 200,000
> hour MTBF @ 45C (1,000,000 typical!) Don't know the
> price.
>
> Polyamp PU300. 13.8V output @ 300W, but $1,500!
>
> ???
>
> MeanWell's SD350 would work well, but a voltage or
> current overload turns
> the output OFF and power must be cycled to get it
> working again :( It
> would be a steal at just over $200.
>
> Adrian
>
> > IOTA DLS-45 (Rated 108-132VAC input) barely keeps up
> WITHOUT lights or
> > heater fan running.
> > Zivan NG1-DC (Rated 108-168V battery pack input,
> 600W output) is OK as
> > long as I don't run the heater fan or drive farther
> than 15 miles with
> > the lights on.
> >
>
>
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Hi EVerybody;
You guyz with a DCP Rapture controllers? Quick question; The 10 pin plug
that goes into the controller, a quick where-does-everything- go. Can't seem to
find my how -to hookup diagram. I don't see any numbers on the green plug. But
it looks like the top, IF i'm going the right direction? 1 and 2 for the
controller "Plunger" solenoid setup,Polarity not an issue?and down. I clipped
all this out of the wrecked Rabbit in the rain, soo I don't have plusses and
minuse's. The hookup to the line switch, "on" contacter is intact. As I
remember ya need a Plus and minus for, through the key switch, to turn it
on?Not rocket science but important.Likw numbers to what goes where?
Thanks! Gotta make the hookup for the "Gas" pedal, now!
Bob
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David Hrivnak wrote:
> To my surprise I was able to attached 6 12 V Soneil
> chargers to my 72V pack. The Soneil chargers are isolated
> so it seems to be working at least it did on the garage floor.
Has anyone who is using multiple chargers like this measured the resting
voltages of their batteries several hours after charge completes to get
an idea of how well balanced they are? (And, did they take similar
measurements before going to individual chargers to have some idea of
what sort of difference the charging change made?)
I'd be really interested in seeing any such numbers anyone is willing to
share.
I'm curious to see how much better (or worse!) the balance is vs using a
single series charger, but don't really want to invest in a set of
individual chargers just to find out that I'm no better off than before.
FWIW, with a series charger I am seeing a difference of
0.012-0.013V/cell between the highest and lowest voltage modules in a
72V string of AGMs.
Thanks,
Roger.
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I thibk Rob wants to know the internal resistance of the battery. I thought I
had seen those spec's somewhere but can't find them just yet. I'll keep
looking. I know I could pull the full 1000 Amps from them with an acceptable
sag on a fresh pack. I'll have to pull some numbers out of my data files
though.
Mike
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From: David Roden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:04 am
Subject: Re: Series R for Deka Intimidator
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> On 24 Apr 2007 at 0:25, Rob&Amy Smith wrote:
>
> > Has anyone seen a series R value for the Deka Intimidator 9A34
> and 9A31?
>
> I must have missed something. Sorry, what's a series R value?
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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jerryd wrote:
Electric boats can be done but if you want any range,
you need to keep the speed down... forget about planing or
semi-planing as both take too much power.
How about hydrofoils? They seem to take very little power for the speeds
they achieve. I've even seen some human powered hydrofoils, which
obviously won't have even 1/2 HP to make them go (a human pedalling).
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Steve wrote:
I am embarking on a project to build a somewhat impractical, but
fun EV... Car: 1980-82 Corvette...
Help needed: References to useful books and articles.
It will certainly be an interesting conversion. The only 'vette EV
conversion I know of was of one from the early 1970's. The builder used
two PM motors, driving the differential's pinion with a flat belt (no
transmission or clutch).
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About 5 years ago, I wasn't into EVs at that time, I went to a local car
show with my beautiful restored red Karman Ghia convertible. There it was,
wedged between a huge Chevy and a another American muscle car - I have to
agree: It looked kind of like a toy. I could feel people's pity when
the looked at my little engine in the back. 'Cute' they said, your car is
'cute'. That didn't bother me at all - I think it is cute and I still have
it (I pay my collectible insurance of about US$ 220/year) and I take it
out to drive from time to time.
Anyway. Some guy stops with his Camaro and asked me, if I would want to
race my 'Kraut' car against his. I respectfully denied but offered him a
race with our 'other' family 'Kraut' car. He nodded: "As long as it's a
'Kraut' car, I race everything." Ok - I said, let's make a nice race, the
usual back road track, about 4 Miles long. We made a 50 Bucks bet, then I
called my husband to bring the car. But - as soon as he saw our
brand-spanking new 2002 Porsche 911 Turbo, he chickened out of the race.
Needless to say, my husband and I went out to dinner that night -
compliments of a stupid camaro driver.
I just had to tell the story. Even though there's no EVing. Hope you don't
mind.
mm./
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Steve wrote:
approx. 3300 lbs. curb weight,
The weight has always perplexed me as I always assumed they built it
using fiberglass to reduce weight. Considering the body and the
frame, of the two; which one weighs more? Any numbers on either?
Do you want more range or more performance? What's your favorite
aspect of an AC system vs's a DC one?
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> i was curious since I'm a water skier what lind of hulls are the most
>
> efficient (go the fastest) when converting to electric, say 48V, 8ea
> 6V Trojan's.
Well, a hydrafoil is probably about the most efficient, but it would be
difficult to pull a skier with one.
Long skinny hulls are probably the next best choice. Do a catamaran
layout to improve stability.
48V worth of GC batteries isn't a lot of power, around 25 hp max. However,
that should be enough to get a good skier up. I've pulled two skiers
behind a Zodiac with a 25 hp outboard.
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Timothy wrote:
the Merc 190E. The 190 series was tremendously over
engineered
What type of "frame" does it have? Does it have separate front and
rear sub frames or a "full frame" type sub frame design?
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Hi Lee and All,
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From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Electric Boat design
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:42:03 -0500
>jerryd wrote:
>> Electric boats can be done but if you want any
>> range, you need to keep the speed down... forget about
>> planing or semi-planing as both take too much power.
>
>How about hydrofoils? They seem to take very little power
>for the speeds they achieve. I've even seen some human
>powered hydrofoils, which obviously won't have even 1/2 HP
>to make them go (a human pedalling). --
From an eariler post,
Foils work well in rough water, in fact that's what
they are used for, highspeed in waves with comfort.
Regretfully plastic bags, seaweed, ect gets caught on them.
I use to live next to the Navy's Hydrofoils in Key
West. One was cruising the Straits of Fla when it hit a
whale at 55 knots. It wasn't a pretty sight. The Hydrofoil
was badly damaged with the front foil, bow ruined, the crew
airlifted to the hospital, and no one mention the poor
whale!!
So that leaves foils out except for a short distance
toy as the water is filled with things to foul the foil.
But they do work well as long as nothing gets on the
foil. I have some foils and in the future, will build a sail
powered one for fun.
Jerry Dycus
>Ring the bells that still can ring
>Forget the perfect offering
>There is a crack in everything
>That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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>leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Definitely not enough range with current batteries to make a fast ski boat a
practical option. I had considered building an old-school electric jetboat,
but decided to build a jetski, much better suited, you ride it around locally
then come back and recharge it or even swap battery packs, no long distances.
For longer distance boating, gotta go with a sailboat, which begs for an
electric motor for the limited powered cruising it does.
Jack
Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: jerryd wrote:
> Electric boats can be done but if you want any range,
> you need to keep the speed down... forget about planing or
> semi-planing as both take too much power.
How about hydrofoils? They seem to take very little power for the speeds
they achieve. I've even seen some human powered hydrofoils, which
obviously won't have even 1/2 HP to make them go (a human pedalling).
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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hey Rich ! one thing else needs to be said THANK YOU FOR SERVING US . YOUR
SERVICE IS DEEPLY APPREACITED . I spent 9ur + in naval air and when 9-11
happened I would have gladly went back in . but with bad health I knew that I
couldn't get back in so I had to be satisifed with making the parts for the
smart bomb guidence system . and it felt real good every time they showed one
hit the target .
keep up the good work we need guys like you fred
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From: Richard Acuti<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: We're screwed
You're all right of course and thanks. Here's something I'm taking away from
this otherwise negative experience:
Some of you have been tinkering, experiementing and driving EV's for 10 or
20 years, starting with forklift motors and aircraft engine starters. You
may have gotten into it because you remember the '70's fuel crunch and you
were thinking "what will we do next time?". People have probably been
calling you all "chicken little" and deriding you for a lot longer than I've
been putting up with this criticism. I guess I just need a thicker skin.
Honestly, I did not go to this event to preach or try to "convert" anyone.
When the arguments started, I did indeed concede all of the shortcomings
without arguing. After that, all I said was that even with the car's
shortcomings, I've been able to avoid buying gasoline for my other car for
months at a time, I keep up with traffic, and I've never been stranded
anywhere. I kid you not, a couple (but not all) of these guys looked at me
like I was un-American for not buying gasoline when I told them this!
Let me tell you why I personally got into EV's:
#1. One day I said "I don't want to pay this much for gasoline" and people
told me that I had no choice because it's a "staple" or something that you
can't live without. Oh yeah? Nobody tells me that I don't have a choice.
#2. I'm in the US Navy and I've already done one tour in the Persian Gulf on
27' patrol gunboats in 115F degree heat to protect our national "interests"
(read: oil) and I'm interested in reducing our "interests" that need
protecting over there so I don't have to go anymore!
I'll keep the faith but as far as sharing my experiences with non EV
people....I'm going to rethink that one.
Rich A.
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FYI.
Drat!! Suddenly we can no longer brag that the ForkenSwift is capable
of breaking all North American NEV speed limits! :-D
Darin
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Bozeman Daily Chronicle. Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer has signed
into law SB 185, a bill that allows neighborhood electric vehicles
equipped with the proper safety features to travel up to 35 mph on city
and county roads.
NEVs previously were in the same category as golf carts, and were
prohibited from travelling faster than 25 mph.
The state of Washington has passed a similar bill, but it has not yet
been signed into law.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/04/montana_enacts_.html
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You guyz with a DCP Rapture controllers?
?Can't seem to find my how -to hookup diagram.
Hi Bob
I found a great diagram here-
http://www.timnolan.com/etruck/Wiring/ETruck_frame.htm
Linked to from this page-
http://www.timnolan.com/etruck/Wiring/Wiring.htm
Good Luck!
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We're screwed? No, they are screwed. We have adapted, they
haven't. Change is often not very forgiving, so I kind of pity
them. How much is a 500 cube V-8 worth when gas hits $5.00 per gallon?
When I first met him, one of my co-workers had pretty much the same
perspective you encountered. I gave him a ride to lunch in my
Solectria Force and his reaction was "This does seem kind of
practical". Then gas jumped up to $3.00 a gallon. He traded in his
V8 for a 4 cylinder and got real curious about my electrics. He now
believes while they might not be for everyone, they probably are the
right choice for a lot of people.
Well, I am off to spread the "gospel" this evening to a group
gathered to see "Who Killed the Electric Car". I suspect I will have
a more receptive audience than you found.
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
Kansas City, Missouri
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IIRC, both Rich Rudman and Father Time used to race electric boats, looked
like little pickle fork hulls.
I think Dave Cloud may still hold the record for fastest electric boat.
On a more practical side...
These folks make marine drives using motors like the Etek or Lynch, lots of
good photos and installed systems here-
http://www.asmomarine.com/2005/asmo_uk/01.shtml
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:01:35 -0700, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Does the Iota just drop out until the voltage rises or is it just an
output reduction? If an output reduction have you come up with an
idea about how much the output is reduced at 100v?
The IOTA behaves very well. It looks like the output current ramps down
with the input voltage. When the voltage comes back up, the output does
also. I haven't made any output measurements, but it wasn't working well
with just my headlights on. I'll try to get some current measurements done
this week - I need to find my max power usage so I can pick another DC/DC.
I didn't try using the "quick charge" plug for a little extra voltage.
Mine didn't come with one (eBay). The output jumps from 13.5V to 14.1V or
so with the plug installed. BTW, the plug shorts 1-3 and 2-4 on the
connector.
My car:
114V nominal, 100-110V typical while driving, 90V minimum
LED turn/brake/marker lights
12V water pump, blower fan, and vacuum pump are always on
55W headlights (110W total)
*************
I got a quote back from Absopulse on their DC/DC units. The RWY series is
serious heavy duty stuff. Many other input/output votages are available
with 5-6 week lead time.
RWY280 - 280W output, ruggedized, potted (designed for transportation,
mining, oil rigs), configured for 57V-168V input, 13.8V output. They can
be paralleled using external diodes.
1-2: $432
3-4: $360
5-24: $327
BAP319 - 500W output, "heavily ruggedized", 200,000 hour MTBF @ 45C.
Internal output diode for paralleling. 90V-150V input per my request.
Vented case :(
1-2: $761
3-4: $585
5-24: $488
-Adrian
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Rodney wrote:
What if you have a 300 V pack though? I am not aware
of a DC-DC convertor that can deal with that input voltage?
Try one of these:
http://www.powerstream.com/DC-HV.htm
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Any potential in these?
http://www.powerstream.com/LLLF.htm
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Bob,
I have a copy of that page of the DCP 600 manual online at
http://www.aracnet.com/~rmerwin/prizm/dcp600.jpg
Ralph
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>
> Hi EVerybody;
>
> You guyz with a DCP Rapture controllers? Quick question; The 10 pin plug
> that goes into the controller, a quick where-does-everything- go. Can't seem
> to find my how -to hookup diagram. I don't see any numbers on the green plug.
> But it looks like the top, IF i'm going the right direction? 1 and 2 for the
> controller "Plunger" solenoid setup,Polarity not an issue?and down. I clipped
> all this out of the wrecked Rabbit in the rain, soo I don't have plusses and
> minuse's. The hookup to the line switch, "on" contacter is intact. As I
> remember ya need a Plus and minus for, through the key switch, to turn it
> on?Not rocket science but important.Likw numbers to what goes where?
>
> Thanks! Gotta make the hookup for the "Gas" pedal, now!
>
> Bob
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At 07:50 AM 24/04/07 -0500, Mark wrote:
i was curious since I'm a water skier what lind of hulls are the most
efficient (go the fastest) when converting to electric, say 48V, 8ea 6V
Trojan's. Most of the set-ups in Ocalla Florida and Silver Springs were
pontoon boats at 48V for the park service and tourists. I would probably
have to give up water skiing though but at 5mpg that may be worth
doing. I saw some with Ray Electric Outboards (Advance DC & Curtis
control) and one solar tampoon boat with twin large 1hp trolling motors on
the back "The Chabunagunamog". They all apppeared to do fairly slow, I'm
thinking about 6-12 knots for about 6 hours run time. What is the best
electric boat recepe'?
G'day All
All this talk about boats, I've been 'roped in' to help the Australian
Maritime College with a student/staff project to electrify a model that
they have - it is (IIRC) a 1/20th scale model of a high-speed, low-drag
fast ferry.
It currently has a 12hp ICE in it, and the conversion is to a series DC
motor, 48V system, initially 8 x golf cart batteries, seats one person. The
hull is a round 20 foot long and about 3 foot wide. Currently it has a
water jet in it (as that is the propulsion form for the fast ferry) but as
the project continues they are looking to move away from what the hull is
of, into its' own entity so it may get a more suitable propellor for the
speeds it is likely to be operating at.
Anticipation is that it will be operating at less than 4.5hp - in fact it
is going to be officially less than 4.5hp so that under local regs it can
be used by anyone, rather than over 4.5hp the operator would need a
speedboat licence. As this is a "green" project (plantation timber hull,
etc) they are looking to continue that theme, if possible they want to
solar supplement the charging - with the amount of useable deck area, they
should actually get a significant range extension on a sunny day.
I haven't been able to turn up an on-line reference to the project, I'll
ask the AMC staff member who is leading the project if he has anything
on-line I can point people to so as to get an idea.
Regards
[Technik] James
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Hi James
Actually, there is a similar project already done in
Sydney (though its
actually a hybrid on a much larger scale)
http://www.solarsailor.com/technology.htm
Cheers
Rod
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of James Massey
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 10:25 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Electric Boats
At 07:50 AM 24/04/07 -0500, Mark wrote:
>i was curious since I'm a water skier what lind of
hulls are the most
>efficient (go the fastest) when converting to
electric, say 48V, 8ea 6V
>Trojan's. Most of the set-ups in Ocalla Florida and
Silver Springs were
>pontoon boats at 48V for the park service and
tourists. I would probably
>have to give up water skiing though but at 5mpg that
may be worth
>doing. I saw some with Ray Electric Outboards
(Advance DC & Curtis
>control) and one solar tampoon boat with twin large
1hp trolling motors on
>the back "The Chabunagunamog". They all apppeared to
do fairly slow, I'm
>thinking about 6-12 knots for about 6 hours run time.
What is the best
>electric boat recepe'?
G'day All
All this talk about boats, I've been 'roped in' to
help the Australian
Maritime College with a student/staff project to
electrify a model that
they have - it is (IIRC) a 1/20th scale model of a
high-speed, low-drag
fast ferry.
It currently has a 12hp ICE in it, and the conversion
is to a series DC
motor, 48V system, initially 8 x golf cart batteries,
seats one person. The
hull is a round 20 foot long and about 3 foot wide.
Currently it has a
water jet in it (as that is the propulsion form for
the fast ferry) but as
the project continues they are looking to move away
from what the hull is
of, into its' own entity so it may get a more suitable
propellor for the
speeds it is likely to be operating at.
Anticipation is that it will be operating at less than
4.5hp - in fact it
is going to be officially less than 4.5hp so that
under local regs it can
be used by anyone, rather than over 4.5hp the operator
would need a
speedboat licence. As this is a "green" project
(plantation timber hull,
etc) they are looking to continue that theme, if
possible they want to
solar supplement the charging - with the amount of
useable deck area, they
should actually get a significant range extension on a
sunny day.
I haven't been able to turn up an on-line reference to
the project, I'll
ask the AMC staff member who is leading the project if
he has anything
on-line I can point people to so as to get an idea.
Regards
[Technik] James
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I can confirm that the IOTA 230V-55A unit works and works well on a 288V
pack with a 354V end of charge voltage.
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Way, way, way way, WAY too expensive.
over 45k for 30 kWh
On 4/24/07, Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Any potential in these?
http://www.powerstream.com/LLLF.htm
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I am the friend that Ed is talking about and I have had very positive
response to my 1991 Dakota. Everywhere I go people notice that it is
electric and they stop me and ask a lot of question. I always take the time
to answer their questions and let them get a good look at the truck. Last
Sunday, my wife and I felt like taking a drive to get some ice cream so we
jumped into the Dakota and went just over the state line into South Carolina
to a small hamburger stand where they serve ice cream too. When we came out
of the business with our ice cream a guy was looking at the truck. He
looked at me and said"you really do drive this truck everywhere don't you."
He then went on to say that he had been at the car show and saw the truck
but he did not think that I was actually driving it. I try to drive the
truck everywhere I can to show people that it is very possible to build and
drive an electric vehicle. You have to be ready for all opinions and other
points of views. I try to be open minded when I talk to other people about
my truck but I am very proud of it as Ed will attest to. The Dakota will
not break any speed records nor will it go a hundred miles on a charge, yet.
But it is an electric truck that does not have to use gas at all. That is
what I had intended to do when I started out to build the truck. So just
grin and bear it. I agree with some of the comments earlier about waiting
until the price of gas goes up so high they are unable to drive their big
gas guzzlers. Our time will come and I am willing to wait until then.
Keep the faith, Freddie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:52 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: We're screwed.
Don't lump conservatives in this, and don't lump 'east/right coast' in this
either!
I'm a green conservative, and no, its not an oxymoron!
We don't have to have more government to save the planet! (ok, I'm done).
I agree with Lawrence; you'll find crazies no matter where you go, you don't
even have to look.
It sounds to me like you were confronted with dislike on 2 angles:
1 from having a "German" car, and another for having an electric - neither
of which is valid -
A friend and I took his newly converted 1991 Dodge Dakota to a car-show in
Monroe, NC.
His was the only street vehicle there that was electric; I'm obviously not
counting the "ez-go" vehicles that were there.
There was a great deal of positive interest, and while I walked away to look
at the other cars occasionally,
I don't recall even a single deragatory comment about my friend's truck -
and we're in "Conseravtive South" (not that near-by Charlotte is that
conservative).
My recommendation? Ignore those folks, and keep NOT burning oil, and keep
NOT funding terrorists!
Also, be encouraged by the work that Tesla and Phoenix Motorcars are doing.
May 2007 issues of Popular Mechanics, Popular Science, Car and Driver
magazines (and one other) all had positive articles about electric (and
plugin-hybrid) vehicles.
The Car and Driver magazine article was about racing; it even had pictures
of Gone Postal and others there; the other articles were about electric (but
mostly about hybrid) vehicles.
Its going to happen. Just keep your chin up, and ignore the idiots.
Best Regards -
Ed Cooley
"Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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This looks like a job for a Wayland/Zillaized vehicle. Let out a can
O"whoopass on these suckers & their attitude might change. Mention that
your car is about 1.5 cents a mile for the energy to operate & it was
designed for local use only. This is an isolated attitude in my opinion.
While I get it once in a while out on the Left Coast I would think it to be
more prevelant on the more conservative Right Coast. If these guys had a
chance to ride/drive a high performance EV or be beat by one they will be
eatin crow. Don't let it get you down. Lawrence Rhodes.....
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Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 4:12 AM
Subject: We're screwed.
> I'm a car guy. I like all kinds, even unpopular ones and just because
> someone owns a car I hate, I don't demean it, or them.
>
> Yesterday, I went to a local car club's weekly meet/hangout yesterday in
my
> EV Beetle, not to preach the gosspel of EV, but just to look around and
see
> if anyone had anything new or cool. The hostility I received was beyond
> belief. One guy told me my car was a "rolling memorial to Adolf Hitler". I
> explained what drivetrain was under the skin and why I chose it and
everyone
> else pretty much agreed that it was a useless idea because you can't jump
in
> and drive for an unlimited number of miles.
>
> I went down there to look around and perhaps tap into the group's knowlege
> on how I could improve my car figuring that just because a guy has a 550
cu.
> in. engine doesn't mean he's closed minded and won't have any ideas. I
guess
> I was wrong. If this is the prevelant attitude, we're in deep trouble.
>
> If anyone needs me, I'll be looking for jobs and a place to live in Italy.
>
> Rich A.
> Maryland
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Sorry guys, INHO you are wrong, very wrong. But it's just MHO.
No one will argue that better lit road is worse than worse lit one.
Brighter your light - better you can see.
IF light is adjusted properly, you can't be blinded by it,
xenon or not. If it's high sitting SUV, light must be pointing
steeper down to illuminate *identical*, standard per DOT stretch
of a road. If these SUV's owners don't five a damn about anyone
else and maintain their light's alignment it's not xenon's
technology problem. Hate the guy, not his lights.
May be you also don't like engineers who designed it?
A gun has never killed anyone. It's always a person, you know.
Victor
Bob Rice wrote:
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From: "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: LED headlight bulbs?Very OT
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From: "Martin Winlow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:44 AM
Subject: RE: LED headlight bulbs?
Michael,
You might consider HID (High Intensity Discharge) headlamp bulb
replacement
kits (AKA 'Xenon'). They cut the power used by the headlights in half
and
produce a much better (brighter and more suited to human eyes) lighting
effect.
Who says that??!!! I HATE them, because they half-blind me! Maybe they are
just mis-aligned, but I wish they would be BANNED!
Right on, Joe!! I don't understand WHY they aren't. Usually on a
obnoxious SUV, rides 3 feet off your bumper 20 MORE over the speed limit.
Godamn lights are SO high that they blast your mirror to the point you twist
it away!
Maybe a Landing light setup YOU could turn on? Locomotive headlights? to
BLAST the guy back a bit? Except YOU are making a road hazard WORSE! These
guyz are enough of a hazard when they CAN see! The'll be diddling with their
radio, talking on the cell fone, reading a book/paper! I have scene this!
So to put these lights on YOUR vehicle you only make it worse out there.
Hell! You don't go that fast you need them, in an EV!
My two lumins worth
Bob>
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Ryan Stotts wrote:
Rodney wrote:
What if you have a 300 V pack though? I am not aware
of a DC-DC convertor that can deal with that input voltage?
Try one of these:
http://www.powerstream.com/DC-HV.htm
Then, of course, there are actually EV DC-DC converters:
http://www.metricmind.com/dcdc.htm
Would 70A 1kW MES-400 (going for $1.5k) do it?
Victor
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