EV Digest 6763
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: With all this talk about NiMH .... Is it still legal to build sell 120
V / 10 A NiMH Module
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: PLEASE FIX YOUR EMAIL CLIENTS!
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: was Comercial Contactor Controller, now drawings
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Doin' the math
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Why I got the batteries that I did
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: 1-Wire Expertise
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: With all this talk about NiMH .... Is it still legal to build
sell 120 V / 10 A NiMH Module
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Plasma Podcast May 15th & other News
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
9) Re: GRM $2007 Challenge - Brainstorming
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: magnetic field in EV car?
by Tehben Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Contactor Controller Page
by Tom Gocze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: magnetic field in EV car?
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: GRM $2007 Challenge - Brainstorming
by keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) EVLN(Gonna Electrocute You Sucka, but we like that kind of thing)-long
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) EVLN(Th!nk EVs is now entering the production phase)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) EVLN(OMU zipping around in a WI parcar nEV)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) EVLN(Sooke Prof. Kerns' Chevy S-10 pickup EV conversion)
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On 10 May 2007 at 9:10, Steve Powers wrote:
> 100 x 10 A D size cells in a string. ...
>
> 10 of these = 120 V / 100 A (real world) and would
> give my car a 65 - 75 mile range with about 1000
> charge / discharge cycles.
I don't think there's any legal issue. It's a matter of licensing. Cobasys
holds the patents and won't license the manufacture of a cell larger than 10
ah in capacity. But they can't control what users do with small cells <= 10
ah once they've been manufactured.
That said, I think that yours would have to be a fairly light car for this
to be very successful. 120 volts at 100 amps is only 12 kW. That's not
much power - probably about 12 hp by the time it gets to the wheels.
I'm not sure you could actually even get that much; strings in parallel
might not always share the current equally. Some might contribute their
maximum of 10 amps, while others with different internal resistance might
only produce 6 amps.
If the car's very light (1500 lb or so all up) I think that would be
adequate, though it'd be no drag racer. In a typical modern small car
weighing upwards of 2500 lb, I'd guess that you'd get performance similar to
that of a '59 VW Beetle - if that. Ever drive one? ;-)
For reference, an old Curtis 400 amp controller and a 96v pack of golf car
batteries will deliver ~40 kW.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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On 10 May 2007 at 22:58, Danny Miller wrote:
> I'd like to suggest at least considering that EVDL move to a more
> conventional format.
We've soon switching to Mailman as the listserver software. Plain text will
still be strongly encouraged, but Mailman is more tolerant of html.
Converting to a forum and other options for the EVDL has / have been
discussed extensively in the past. Please see the archives for prevailing
views on this issue.
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On 11 May 2007 at 10:53, Christopher Robison wrote:
> Though it's obviously less permanent, it's probably better to stick the
> image somewhere and post a link.
This is the "canonical" method for the EVDL. Most ISPs provide their users
with a few mb of web space, but for many people a file sharing service is
the easy way out. There are dozens, maybe hundreds, such as yousendit.com,
rapidshare.de, and the like.
Most file sharing services put a limit on the time the file will be retained
unless you pay for a subscription. If you want the file to be available
essentially forever, email it to me* and I'll post it on evdl.org.
Depending on the nature of the file, I may put up a permanent link to it in
the EVDL library (evdl.org/lib/ ), or may just leave it floating there,
linked only in your EVDL email or mine. However, anyone finding the link in
the archives 5 years from now should be able to still d/l the file, assuming
I'm still alive (which is pretty likely ;-), and still able to pay the
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On 10 May 2007 at 13:11, Timothy Balcer wrote:
> Also, I was using the 20 Hour rate for both ... I wanted to spend less
> than 5 hours doing the research ...
I hate to say it, but this is completely useless for EV work. Two batteries
can have similar capacity at 20h but radically different capacity at 1h, and
it's the latter capacity that matters for EV use. Sorry, you'll need to go
back and do all your calculations over again, using valid numbers.
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Timothy Balcer wrote:
Lee,
What do you think of Universal Power Group batteries?
I haven't used them myself, but a couple people on the EV list are.
Maybe they will write (or you can check the archives to see who it was,
and contact them directly).
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Lee Hart wrote:
>> Why have a computer on every battery? If all he want to do is measure
>> each battery's voltage, all that's needed is a central "box" to
>> measure voltage (could be just a multimeter or analog meter), and the
>> relays to select which battery it measures. If you don't like
>> mechanical relays, use solid state relays.
Victor Tikhonov replied:
I suppose because entire microcomputer (controller with its I/Os, PICs
for sure) is cheaper these days than one single mechanical relay, esp.
good one.
Price doesn't matter if it's the wrong part for the job. A nail is
cheaper than a screw; but we don't put cars together with nails.
For this application, you need a way to measure an *isolated* voltage. A
1-wire chip, or a micro won't do this. The key part is whatever provides
the isolation. I think a relay is the cheapest part that can do this.
How about using a capacitor to store the voltage from any given battery?
Switch the capacitor to battery N. Disconnect it (no load, so it holds
the voltage). Switch it to your measurement circuit (which draws
negligible current so it won't load down the capacitor voltage).
Disconnect it, and switch it to battery N+1, etc.
Resistor R1 in series with the capacitor limits the peak
charge/discharge current, which will extend relay life. It also filters
noise on the battery so you won't get an instantaneous reading based on
noise. You could instead use one resistor per battery, in each battery
lead, as a fuse if you like.
Kodd K1
_______/ ________________/ ____
| | | __|__+
| Keven | | K2 ___ battery 1
| ___/ __| | ____/ ____| -
| | | | | __|__+
__________ | | R1 > | | K3 ___ battery 2
| +|___| | 100 > |__ | ___/ ____|
| central | | | > | | __|__+
| voltage | | | C1 _|_ | | K4 ___ battery 3
| monitor -|__ | __| 1uF ___ | |____/ ____| -
|__________| | | | | | __|__+
| | Kodd | | | K5 ___ battery 4
| |___/ __| |__ | ___/ ____| -
| | | __|__+
| Keven | | K6 ___ battery 5
|_______/ __|________|____/ ____| -
This circuit has exactly one SPST relay per battery, plus five for the
even/odd reversing circuit and the end of the series string of
batteries. An SPST reed relay only costs about $0.50, so that's about 50
cents per battery for an isolated measurement.
Now you can use your micro to measure the voltage on the capacitor, and
switch all those relays. But you only need *one* of them, not one per
battery.
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John G. Lussmyer wrote:
What about putting some conductive foam between the batteries to
help spread the conduction area? Even a piece of steel wool (hmm,
don't they make copper wool as well?)
The usual black conductive foam is carbon based, and fairly high
resistance. That wouldn't work.
There are woven metal "rope" materials and "finger" stock (springy flat
sheet metal parts) intended for RFI/EMI shielding and gasketing. They
can provide a reasonably low resistance connection.
But the primary problem is that good electrical connections between
materials requires a high pressure per square inch; high enough to break
through the oxide films and whatever dirt, oil, water, or other
contamination is present. If you only have X ounces of total force, this
usually means shaping your contacts so the force is concentrated in a
very small area, so the psi is high. But with a small area, the current
rating is low.
You can plate the contacts with gold; it requires the least force for a
given current.
You could weld some sort of high-pressure terminal onto the ends of each
cell, like a 0.25" quick-connect or nut and screw that thread together.
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I think a BAD "few shoots" EV drag race competitor can be done for 2007$
...but for this budget forget autocrossing more than 2 miles.
for a 240V1000A EV
20 Junk yard selected (charged then loadtested) SLI battery (200$)
junked second hand 9" forklift motor + battery/motor wiring (300$)
home made hub adapter directely soldered to transmission flywheel (some free
junked metal)
copper bars + power resistors connected to motor by a lever as powerfull
controller, think about a boat speed lever (150$, copper is expensive...)
600A heinman breaker as fuse and disconnect security (50-100$ ebay)
1000A shunt 50mV with 100mV panel meter (for 2000amp reading) (50$)
300V panel Voltmeter (15$)
...there is still some bucks left to purchase a donor :^)
Cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait du volant, quel carburant choisiriez-vous
?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: GRM $2007 Challenge - Brainstorming
On 10 May 2007 at 3:20, Peter VanDerWal wrote:
??? do you really expect to be competitive in a drag race and an
autocross
using old starting batteries???
Maybe not >old< ones. But Back In The Day (tm), say 10-15 years ago, I
remember EV racers using SLI batteries quite frequently.
There are good reasons for this. SLI batteries are designed for
relatively
high specific power, and are available in lots of different sizes.
Granted,
you have to replace them every few races, but they're also a commodity
item
and relatively cheap.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Tehben , I think your reply bellow is intended for someone elses post.
Oh sorry Patrick, I meant thanks for your post and then I was
replying to Bill.
DC and varying fields do have eccefts on living organisms. Mainly in
situations where cells are multiplicating. But the problem is that
it is
all a matter of dosage. There is a very fine line between normal cell
multiplication and abnormal one. Anything that affects cell
multiplication, be it drug molecules or EM fields can have both a
good and
controlled effect or go overboard and cause uncontrolled
multiplication.
The body works in a fine tuned way, a perfect balancing act
Sounds a little bit like cancer to me...???
My interest in the EM fields of the motors in personal and if there
are
others on this list curious about them, and that actually can
measure them
with meters not guestimates, be it a simple tri-field or more
expensive
ones, I would be interested to share the numbers. If there is
anyone in
the Montreal area that would like to measure their EV for free please
contact me off-list.
I guess I would be interested if anyone does do measurements.
...rs and can confirm from actual measurements that
real life motors do emit very large AC fields tha...
Sorry I am still a little confused...
So a plain DC magnetic field is like a magnet? and then there are
electromagnetic fields which is what you are referring to as an "AC"
field which do not attract metal? and a DC motor emits an AC magnetic
field??
Thanks Tehben
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Hi,
Well, it has taken a week, but we have a bunch of Contactor
Controller stuff scanned and posted on www.hotandcold.tv.
Go to the site and find the Contactor Controller page.
I have a bunch more antique stuff, but scanning old books into the
computer is not that much fun. I have not yet scanned anything from
an awesome book called
"Speed Control-The Electric Car" from 1920. When I saw that on ebay
years ago, I almost wet my pants. It is alas, a book on electric railway
controls. Most of the technology is similar to the stuff I have posted.
Hope this satiates some of the Contactor Controller lust that many
have asked about on EVDL. The Lucas book (How to Convert to an
Electric Car) is one of the best.
Sorry for the delay, my webmaster is my college aged daughter--you
might know how that can be!
Tom
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This has been discussed to death in the past.
If DC magnetic fields were harmful in any way, I would have
been dead many times over years ago. I worked with very very very
powerful superconducting magnets for several years and have been
exposed to DC magnetic fields of up to 15 Tesla (150,000 Gauss) as
were scores of others working in that same laboratory. I have wiped
out several credit cards and watches. Computer monitor CRT images
would twist off the screen as we ramped the magnets up. Forgetting
that your keys were in your front pocket was good for a laugh at your expense.
The small stray DC magnetic fields in an EV are absolutely
not harmful (to you or your magnetic media.) They are tiny compared
to what folks are routinely exposed to daily. (MRI operators, for example.)
Bill Dube'
At 04:55 PM 5/10/2007, you wrote:
Hi,
Did anyone ever measure the electro-magnetic field level at the driver's
seat in a typical EV (car) for both rear and front mounted motors?
Thanks
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just brainstorming...
small lightweight purpose built driven by a the
lightest driver. teardrop shape hi volt/amp supercaps
or cyclon or surplus laptop energy source, simple
contactor controller or inexpensive used PWM two small
motors series parallel...I have an old cyclodynamics
HPV that i could sell to the right group cheep...and
an E-tec best if built in florida with
contribulions/parts and information from us allon the
list... what about it Steve Clunn, Pro EV, or any
other FLEVA folks after PODC????
kEVs
--- Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't worry about beating the gas cars, we all know
> EVs can't be cost
> competitive particularly at the bottom of the cost
> spectrum, but isn't
> the point to surprise people and have them take
> notice?
> Isn't that the point of the endless promotion of
> White Zombie when that
> car is REALLY SLOW compared to a gas race car?
>
> Frankly, I'd like to see a budget-based EV-only
> competition, and make it
> real with wagers on who will win with a claim rule
> to keep it honest,
> but I know it will not happen. Maybe do a PINKs
> episode on EV racers?
> You know, lose the race, lose your ride. I'd put up
> a $2,000 car for
> that deal if there was a claimer that anyone can buy
> your entry for
> $2,000 to keep it an honest budget competition. But
> it ain't gonna
> happen, always a lot of talkers, very rare are
> doers.
>
> Jack Murray
>
> Peter VanDerWal wrote:
> >>I meant to use *new* starting batteries, not used
> ones. New SLI batteries
> >>are probably the cheapest bang-for-the-buck you
> can get.
> >
> >
> > Ah, well the original poster mentioned *used* SLI
> batteries.
> > So anyway, New batteries eat up 1/4 of your
> budget.
> >
> >
> >>>Actually, do you even think you could do it with
> BRAND NEW starting
> >>>batteries?
> >>
> >>In 1968, the Autolite "Lead Wedge" set a record of
> 138.862 mph at
> >>Bonneville.
> >>It used a plain old GE series motor, and twenty
> Autolite SLI
> >>lead-acid batteries.
> >
> >
> > Look how long it took John et al to get below 14
> seconds using high power
> > Hawkers and 300+ volts. Even the white zombie
> can't match the leaders in
> > this race. Last years winner posted a 10.4 in the
> quarter.
> >
> >
> >>>Plus, unless you live in Oregon, you'd have to
> deduct the shipping
> >>>costs.
> >>
> >>Are you sure they require shipping costs to be
> part of the price? That
> >>would put anyone that wasn't local out of the
> running, because shipping
> >>*any* car and team cross country would eat up that
> $2007 budget.
> >
> >
> > The rules say "transportation costs" but they are
> listed in the section
> > about building the car and buying parts, so I'm
> pretty sure they are just
> > talking about transporting the parts.
> >
> >
> >>>If you were really lucky and stumbled on some
> really sweet details,
> >>>you /might/ be able to build a car that managed
> last place in every
> >>>event.
> >>
> >>Thanks for your encouragement. :-) Makes me almost
> want to try to do it.
> >>Say... the guy that bought my old ComutaVan wants
> to sell it...
> >
> >
> > These guys are going wicked fast in cheap cars.
> Even expensive EVs would
> > have trouble competing. None of the current crop
> of EV door slammer drag
> > racers can match the best drag race times.
> > I drawing a blank here, who's the guy with the
> LiPol powered autocross
> > car? He might stand a chance in the autocross,
> but that car costs more
> > than 50 times the limit.
> >
> > If you didn't bother trying to be competitive in
> the drag race or
> > autocross, you might be able to do well in the
> concorse event, but that is
> > worth very little in the over all scoring.
> >
>
>
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http://www.komotv.com/news/7445836.html
"If it's not handled properly it's gonna kill you"
By Michelle Esteban May 11, 2007
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Demand in the U.S. for hybrid vehicles continues to rise, but the
combination gas-electric cars and SUVs pose a unique danger to
firefighters and police officers who respond when the vehicles
are involved in a crash.]
SEATTLE -- Right now, 1.5 percent of all cars sold in the U.S.
are hybrids, and in three years that number is expected to be six
times higher. At some local dealerships they even have waiting
lists for customers who want to purchase a hybrid vehicle.
But what makes these cars so desirable, is also creating an extra
danger.
The problem starts right under the hood, where most hybrids have
bright orange cables carrying high-voltage electricity between
the batteries and engine. Those cables can be a hot zone for
firefighters responding to collisions involving hybrids.
Emergency responders have an inherently hazardous job, but the
proliferation of hybrid vehicles is adding to the potential
dangers they face on a daily basis.
The risk of electrocution is very real.
"If it's not handled properly it's gonna kill you," said Seattle
firefighter Tim Clark. "You have to understand what it is you're
dealing with."
The combination gas-electric vehicles have up to 500 volts
running through them, and can also pose a danger to passengers in
a crash.
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When firefighters are called to high-speed collisions, they often
have to cut drivers and passengers out of the mangled vehicles.
But cut in the wrong place on a hybrid car before the battery is
disconnected, and it could result in a lethal shock.
Clark says its just one more thing they have to think about when
they're rushing to save lives. "If we don't spend a couple
seconds on this, we could end up wishing we had," he said.
Camano Island / Stanwood Fire Chief Darin Reid said that because
of the complex electrical systems found in hybrid cars, they
don't always behave the same way in a crash as traditional
vehicles.
"You could very well have a hybrid car moving while on fire," he
said. And because the hybrid's electric motor is silent,
firefighters can't always tell if it's running.
Reid said that if rescuers wrongly assume that the engine is off,
one wrong move could launch the hybrid into drive, with the
victim still inside and firefighters on or near the vehicle.
Fore the last seven years, Reid has been teaching everything he
knows about hybrids to Washington firefighters. There are some
standard do's and don'ts, but he reminds everyone that not all
hybrids are the same. The electrical systems vary from one
manufacturer to another.
"No company puts the wiring in the same spot," Reid said.
So, many fire departments often rely on the Internet when
responding to crashes involving hybrid vehicles. It's not
uncommon for firefighters to call up a manufacturer's web site so
they can double-check the car's emergency response guidelines.
Matt Stroud, a safety instructor with Toyota, spends much of his
time training firefighters on how to safely deal with a Prius at
the scene of a crash.
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Firefighters will often take field trips to area dealerships to
practice disconnecting the car's electrical system.
"All hybrids, including the Prius, have a built-in safety system
that's supposed to turn the car off if it's in a crash," Stroud
said.
But the hybrid isn't fully safe until the battery is
disconnected.
"You've still got a boost factor of 500 volts," Stroud said,
referring to a situation when the engine has shut down, but the
batteries are still sending electricity through the cables.
In March, a hybrid vehicle crashed into a convenience store in
Tacoma and caught fire. Firefighters extinguished the flames, but
because they were worried the car was still energized, they
called a local dealership to walk them through disconnecting the
battery.
Safety is so important to Stroud, he's writing an emergency
pocket guide for firefighters -- the first of its kind. Seattle
firefighters will be the first in the nation to get the guide.
Reid says the risks are manageable, but that it's crucial to
educate rescuers. "When seconds do count, it's a lot less scary
if firefighters know what they're up against."
Tim Clark doesn't think it will be much of a problem for area
firefighters.
"It's a challenge," he said, "but we like that kind of thing."
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Toyota To Cut Hybrid Car Costs To Improve Profitability
http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/news/11-05-07_8
Toyota expects to equal hybrid and petrol powertrain margins
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May 09, 2007 02:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Enova to Begin Shipping Power Control Units for Th!nk Electric
Vehicles
Milestone Towards Production for One of the Largest Fleets of
Electric Vehicles
TORRANCE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Enova Systems, a leading
producer of proprietary electric, hybrid and fuel cell digital
power management systems, is pleased to announce that it will
begin shipping production level parts to the Th!nk Group in June
2007. Enova, a production company in an emerging industry, will
supply a Power Control Unit (PCU) to the Th!nk Group for use in
their production electric vehicle. Enovas unit converts and
regulates high voltage power to lower voltages and transfers
power throughout the drive system and the battery, and also
assists in energy recovery during regenerative braking.
Mike Staran, Enovas Executive Vice President said: Enova is
very pleased that the Th!nk vehicle is now entering the
production phase. We anticipate that the vehicle will gain rapid
worldwide acceptance.
Enova has partnered with EDAG, to support the technical design,
development and validation efforts. EDAG, the worlds largest
independent development partner, develops customized concepts and
solutions, optimized for production, to meet the mobility needs
of the future. Besides development, design and engineering,
EDAGs capabilities extend to part validation for production
systems from a single source.
The Th!nk Group, who recently obtained approximately
US$28,500,000 from the Investment community, anticipates vehicle
production to accelerate quickly throughout the European regions.
The Th!nk Global is a world leading competence centre for design,
development, assembly and licensing of modular environmental
friendly vehicles and technology. The second generation TH!NK
City vehicle is a completely new experience that combines
award-winning design with comfort and convenience features that
make it a pleasure to drive. Th!nk City now has new battery
technology which should lead to a driving range of180km, with a
top speed of 100 - 110kph and a 0-50kph acceleration of seven (7)
seconds.
Th!nk expects to produce one of the largest fleets of electric
vehicles in the world. The new vehicle is expected to be launched
in Norway in 2007, and selected international markets in 2008.
Th!nks mission is to create the most environmentally friendly
vehicles in the world in a commercially successful way. More
information about Th!nk can be found on http://www.think.no/.
About Enova:
Enova Systems (http://www.enovasystems.com) is a leading supplier
of efficient, environmentally friendly digital power components
and systems products. The Companys core competencies are focused
on the development and commercialization of power management and
conversion systems for mobile applications. Enova applies unique
enabling technologies in the areas of alternative energy
propulsion systems for light and heavy-duty vehicles as well as
power conditioning and management systems for distributed
generation systems. The Company develops, designs and produces
non-invasive drive systems and related components for electric,
hybrid-electric, and fuel cell powered vehicles in both the new
and retrofit vehicle sales market. For further information,
contact Enova Systems directly, or visit its Web site at
http://www.enovasystems.com.
Additional Information:
This news release contains forward-looking statements [...]
Contacts Enova Systems, Inc. Mike Staran, Executive Vice
President/Investor Relations 310-527-2800
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http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2007/05/09/news/regional/24d4ebecc76c8ba9862572d6003fad8f.txt
Electric car hits the road in Osage
By DAVID NAMANNY, Courier Lee News Service
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Osage Municipal Utilities is testing this electric car as
officials look for ways to save money and protect the
environment.]
OSAGE --- Residents may notice what looks like a small ice cream
truck zipping around town.
The sporty little outfit is actually a Neighborhood Electric
Vehicle owned by Osage Municipal Utilities, which is testing the
unit by using it when reading meters.
While some may consider the vehicle hardly more than a glorified
golf cart, officials consider the truck the latest advance in the
utility's efforts to conserve energy, cut expenses and help the
environment.
"It costs about 17 cents of electricity per day for our meter
reader to drive and can run up to 200 miles for the price of one
gallon of gas," said Dennis Fannin, the utility's manager.
"It can go as fast as 35 mph. It is also insulated and heated for
the cold weather," he added.
Fannin said the vehicle costs up to $11,000, but savings over the
long run could justify the expense.
"A lot of utility companies and other government agencies are
giving these electric vehicles a try," he said. "They are also a
hit for officials in charge at lakes, campgrounds and retirement
villages."
And according to information supplied by Columbia Par Car of
Reedsburg, Wis., the electric vehicles might be coming to a road
near you. In some locations, the vehicles can be licensed for
city street use. Columbia Par Car distributes up to 200 of the
vehicles annually around the country.
Typically, before the Neighborhood Electric Vehicles can be used
in a community, officials must authorizing their use by passing a
city ordinance. In May, the Wisconsin Legislature passed a bill
legalizing the electric vehicles. Minnesota also has ordinances
authorizing the electric cars in certain areas and cities.
The Electric Drive Transportation Association
[ http://electricdrive.org ], which is based in Washington, D.C.,
said the electric vehicles have been around since the 1990s.
Several police departments use them for parking enforcement, and
the U.S. Department of Energy estimates about 60,000 of the cars
are on the road.
The vehicles have a range of up to 55 miles on a full charge and
take up to 12 hours to charge. The cars require an overnight
connection to a standard household outlet to power eight
batteries.
Contact David Namanny at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Copyright © 2007 Waterloo/Cedar Falls Courier
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Running on different juice
By Jim Sinclair Sooke News Mirror May 09 2007
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Kerns electric truck]
A commuter living in the Saseenos area near Ayum Creek has hit
the jackpot in terms of relatively clean and affordable travel.
Kim Kerns is a psychology professor at UVIC, she tools to and
from work in her clean looking Chevy S-10 pickup. Aside from the
labeling on the truck identifying it as an electric vehicle, and
the AC power connection behind the drivers door, it looks
totally stock.
There is nothing new in the concept of using electricity to power
cars and trucks the principle has been around since cars were
invented. The versatility of the internal combustion engine and
the traditionally plentiful supply of gasoline, however, limited
the use of electric power to trolley buses and trains (drawing
power from tracks or overhead wires) in many cases.
One of the major knocks against the electric car has always been
the fairly short distance it can travel between charges. This is
improving but is still a concern for those who like the option of
getting in and heading out where and when the spirit may move
them.
Today, with more concerns than ever regarding the use of fossil
fuels, electric power is back in vogue in a big way.
Recently making the rounds has been a documentary titled Who
Killed the Electric Car? The film examines the events leading to
the fate of the EV-1 a car developed and manufactured by
General Motors in the mid-90s. The unit was a big hit with users,
although, apparently they were only allowed to lease, not buy the
cars. A recall was made, the cars were destroyed and not a lot of
information was made available as to why.
Since the movie has come out a lot of people have asked me to
come and do a discussion, said Kerns because there are very few
people who are actually commuting regularly by electric
vehicle.
Kerns vehicle is the result of the expertise of Randy Holmquist,
who heads a company called Canadian Electric Vehicles based in
Errington, between Parksville and Port Alberni. He does
conversions on existing vehicles such as the Geo Metro (Pontiac
Firefly, Chevy Sprint, Suzuki Swift), Dodge Neon and Chevy S-10
and GMC S-15 pickups. These models were chosen for their light
weight, and because so many of them were built. With these
vehicles he has worked out the bugs of conversion and the process
is efficient. If the customer is so-inclined they may buy the
conversion kit and do the installation themselves. For the S-10
the kit runs in the $9,000 (US) range. Holmquists main efforts
are geared toward creating specialty electric vehicles for
airports... various industrial uses, etc.
For Kerns, the advantages of the electric truck outweigh the
disadvantages. An overnight charge is more than enough to get her
from Sooke to the university campus and she enjoys the luxury of
plugging in and recharging during her work day. She wanted to pay
for the power used, but after a trial her employers concluded the
cost of dealing with the issue was more than the value of the
power consumed.
The S-10 has batteries where the engine used to be, and also
placed along the frame in the back. Kerns, with the truck, will
never need to consider vapour-lock, blown head gaskets or ring
jobs again. She did concede, however, the useful life expectancy
of the power storage units.
My battery pack probably gets somewhere between three to five
years, depending on how I use it. I just did a battery
replacement... about $2,800. Its like buying your fuel for the
next three to five years, ahead of time.
Kerns feels the oil companies and vehicle makers enjoy the best
of both worlds in terms of the popular modern hybrid vehicles.
They can look as if theyre being green, and still they can get
you on tune-ups, filters and oil changes and all those things. In
the movie, they suggest that for the EV-1s tune-up you just
drove in, they rotated your tires, checked the brake pads and
filled up your windshield washer, and that was it.
Kerns has done a lot of research on the topic and feels the
hybrid is the wave of the future because of the level of
investment the oil conglomerates have in the auto industry.
The electro-commuter with the eye-catching labeling on her truck
answers a lot of questions in parking lots, something shes happy
to do. Shes found something shes happy with for the sake of
her bank balance, and more importantly, for the atmosphere.
© Copyright 2007 Sooke News Mirror
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