EV Digest 6764
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) EVLN(Tesla: No Franchises, $45M funding, roadster EV made in UK)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) EVLN(Odyne 20 to 80Klb class 6, 7 & 8 phEV powertrains)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) EVLN(Smith Edison electric van w/ ni-chloride batteries)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) EVLN(SEVA UW EVent: EVs definitely aren't marketed very well)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Parallel strings of unlike batteries
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) EVLN(WPPI's fleet Prius phEVs)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) EVLN(Universal Electric Vehicle - UEV Spyder)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) EVLN(McGuires Beneficial Bug: 72VDC VW EV)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) EVLN(Euro NCAP ploughed G-Wiz nEV into honeycomb block @ 40mph)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Plasma Podcast May 15th & other News
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: GRM $2007 Challenge - Brainstorming
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) OT: What makes 150 kGauss? (was: magnetic field in EV car?)
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: magnetic field in EV car?
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) More OT: Re: magnetic field in EV car?
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Power of DC
by Joseph Lado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=120758
Tesla Electric Vehicles Won't Go to Franchisers
Date posted: 05-11-2007
LOS ANGELES Tesla Motors, maker of the hot and hotly
anticipated $92,000 electric Roadster, will sell its products
through factory-owned stores, not traditional dealerships. The
company will put the first cars on sale in Santa Monica,
California, in November, then move to major cities including San
Francisco, New York, Chicago, and eventually Denver, Boston and
other major markets.
Automotive News quoted Tesla Marketing Vice President Darryl Siry
as saying, "We can't hand over the car to an independent
franchiser" who would "spend his time apologizing for the car's
shortcomings." Therefore the company plans to run its own sales
outlets, which he said would be more like an Apple computer store
than a traditional vehicle dealership.
Bloomberg reports 400 orders have already been placed for the
first model, the two-seat Tesla Roadster, with California
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and actor George Clooney on the
list.
A second model, the WhiteStar sedan is due in 2010. Whether or
not Tesla has the cash to produce the second model is still a
question. Tesla's quest for capital is further explored on
Edmunds' AutoObserver.
What this means to you: Tesla is looking for a whole new way to
sell a whole new kind of car. Should be interesting to watch.
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Tesla Motors gets $45M in new funding
Silicon Valley / San Jose Business Journal - May 11, 2007
[...]
Funding came to the San Mateo-based company from Technology
Partners, which focuses on clean technology and life sciences,
and Capricorn Investment Group. Both firms are in Palo Alto.
Also adding to the funding was Tesla chairman Elon Musk.
Tesla plans to start making its two-seat roadster later this
year, and has already received more than 400 deposits for the
zero-emission roadster, which will cost about $100,000 and travel
200 miles on one charge.
The car will be assembled in England by Group Lotus PLC.
The company's second vehicle, the White Star, will be a four-door
sedan and is expected to sell from $50,000 to $65,000. Tesla is
planning to begin selling the car in 2009.
In February, Tesla said it would open a new car plant in New
Mexico instead of California.
Tesla also has research facilities in Rochester Hills, Mich.,
Taiwan and the U.K.
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http://www.upi.com/Energy/Briefing/2007/05/11/plugin_hybrids_may_cut_pollution_now/1265/
Energy - Briefing Published: May. 11, 2007 at 6:12 PM
Plug-in hybrids may cut pollution now
WASHINGTON, May. 11 (UPI) -- The U.S. electric grid can support 4
million vehicles a day with no changes to it, the chief executive
officer of Hauppauge, N.Y.-based Odyne Corp. says.
In an interview with United Press International, Roger Slotkin
said plug-in hybrid technology could be powered by the grid at
night when much of the system is unused.
He said the use of the electric grid to fuel vehicles promotes
the use of domestic energy such as coal, gas, nuclear and
hydropower.
"Vehicles use oil, most of which is imported," he said. "So
you're not importing oil."
He also said the grid may offer better efficiency because only
about 25 percent of gasoline used actually runs the car. For the
grid, the figure is closer to 50 percent.
"And it's cleaner," he said.
Odyne is a developer of plug-in hybrid powertrains for class 6, 7
and 8 vehicles -- heavy-duty vehicles that weigh between 20,000
and 80,000 pounds and start and stop frequently. Such vehicles --
school buses, garbage trucks and others -- usually have poor
mileage and excessive emissions. Slotkin said they consume 45
percent of oil and contribute to 80 percent of pollution.
Vehicles that switch to equipment made by companies such as Odyne
run on hybrid mode, cutting fuel costs and pollution
considerably. Still, without federal support the technology is
marginal because of the cost of conversion, which is high.
Last month the U.S. Department of Energy said it will provide up
to $14 million in funding for battery development for plug-in
hybrid electric vehicles. Critics say that since this technology
-- the grid -- is already here, the department should be spending
more.
"Don't tell me what we're going to do in 40 years," Slotkin said.
"We might not have 40 years. Electric infrastructure is here and
it's being wasted."
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http://www.roadtransport.com/Articles/2007/05/11/127141/smith+launches+the+edison+an+all-new+electric+van.html
Smith launches the Edison, an all-new electric van
11 May 2007
Smith Electric Vehicles launched the Edison, an all-new electric
van last month, and judging by the number of enquiries it fielded
at the CV Show, a significant number of orders are likely to
follow. The van, built in Washington, Tyne & Wear is a far cry
from the milk floats the company has been making since the 1920s.
It utilises the latest nickel chloride batteries, which gives a
top speed of 50mph, a range of up to 150 miles on a single charge
and a respectable 1,500kg payload.
As a zero emission vehicle it's VED-free and also manages to
avoid the London Congestion Charge. The Edison uses the latest
Ford Transit as a donor vehicle. This not only keeps Smith's
development costs to a minimum but it gives the company instant
access to a full range of van derivatives, including chassis cabs
and minibuses. Equally important, it means that the Edison
doesn't resemble people's preconceived idea of what an electric
van should look like. It doesn't alienate drivers, which should
mean higher acceptability than the Smith's previous range of
light commercial vehicles.
Sainsbury's has already placed an order for eight Edisons, for
use on its on-line home shopping fleet. It has announced plans to
replace 20% of its urban delivery fleet with electric vehicles by
next September and 100% by 2010. Other orders have come from
Scottish & Southern Energy, TNT Express and Ceva Logistics.
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/315111_myride10.html
Electric autos help drive message on global warming for UW students
By CASEY MCNERTHNEY P-I REPORTER May 10, 2007
[Credit: Andy Rogers/Seattle Post-Intelligencer
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20070509/450electriccars_17832_carguy.jpg
University of Washington student Hishan Othman checks out a Zap!
electric car, which runs on six batteries totaling 72 volts,
driving a 6-horsepower engine. The car was displayed along with
other electric and hybrid cars Wednesday in Red Square at the UW
campus.]
University of Washington freshman Lauren Lamb started planning in
February to display a half-dozen electric or hybrid cars in the
middle of campus, teaching students about technology that can
curb global warming.
Her lucky break: Seattle prices for a gallon of regular unleaded
gas hit an all-time average high at $3.45 per gallon Wednesday --
the same day Lamb's organization displayed some cars that didn't
have gas tanks.
"We're so paralyzed by the problem of global warming, and we need
to look more at solutions, which is why we put this together,"
said Lamb, who organized the event with the UW chapter of
WashPIRG.
"We didn't want another booth with signs and handouts. We wanted
to put solutions in front of people."
Mike Calvo, a senior who was among hundreds that looked at the
cars during their walk through Red Square, said he wouldn't have
stopped for just another handout. But he was full of questions as
he checked out a 2002 Toyota Rav4, which looked almost identical
to the gas-powered model.
What kind of gas mileage does it get? On Snoqualmie Pass, will it
have the power to get there? How much does something like this
cost?
Owner Daniel Davids, a member of the Seattle Electric Vehicle
Association, said he paid about $50,000 for the electric Rav4,
which he charges from a 220-watt outlet at his Everett office. He
drove it for about 70 miles after three hours of charging
Tuesday, and it can go up to 120 miles when fully charged, he
said.
"I was going 78 mph trying to get here because I was a little
late," he said, showing off the CD player and air conditioning.
"It's a totally normal car."
That was news to Calvo, who said most people think of electric
vehicles as a weak alternative to gas-powered cars.
"People aren't going to switch wholesale overnight," Dennis
McLerran, executive director of the Puget Sound Clean Air Agency
said, addressing critics' claims that electric cars would cause a
spike in electricity use.
"We'd be really happy if we had 10 percent of the population
ultimately using electric cars in five to 10 years."
Seattle has 2,964 hybrid cars, which don't require emissions
testing, and 48 electric vehicles, according to Department of
Licensing records. On May 7, Gov. Chris Gregoire signed a bill to
pay for clean energy practices that reduce fossil-fuel
dependence, including incentives for replacement of diesel
engines.
"Gas prices suck on a student budget," said Calvo, who drives a
1994 Oldsmobile. "Most of my budget goes to gas, and all those
emissions go right out the tailpipe. But most people don't know
that electric cars can be as good as gas cars. They definitely
aren't marketed very well."
Washingtonians were paying an average $3.41 per gallon of regular
unleaded gas Wednesday -- the nation's second-highest state
average behind California, according to AAA Washington. During
price peaks last year, people altered their driving habits after
a gallon reached $3, a AAA spokeswoman said.
"Because of the prices, I do all my errands on one day and
usually don't drive my car after getting home," said UW senior
Hisham Othman, who studied the electric and hybrid vehicles on
campus Wednesday.
"It'd be nice to have one of these so I don't have to keep
watching gas prices."
FOR MORE INFO ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES
Contact the Seattle Electric Vehicle Association at 206-524-1351
or www.seattleeva.org.
P-I reporter Casey McNerthney can be reached at 206-448-8220 or
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Marty Hewes wrote:
What happens if you parallel a string of 12V AGMs and a string of 12V
floodies?
This is a promising concept, but the details are not well explored.
There is ample room for experimentation!
If you simply connect them in parallel, the two packs tend to *roughly*
self-equalize to the same state of charge. But, it takes days for them
to fully equalize. Since there are differences in their voltage versus
state of charge voltages, they also don't equalize to the same state of
charge -- only close.
Under load, the ones with the lowest internal resistance deliver the
most current. But how much more is unpredictable.
On charge, you have the problem that floodeds and AGMs have different
charging cycle requirements. You want to gas the floodeds, but not the AGMs.
So, your best bet is to provide a way to separate the two packs, and
control how much current each string delivers. This could be as simple
as deliberate resistance in one string, or as elaborate as two separate
controllers. You could also use a small DC/DC converter to force charge
to flow between the two packs, to achieve some level of balance.
On charge, it's best to charge them separately, at least during the
final stages of a charging cycle. Here again, it could be as simple as a
contactor that disconnects the string that reaches "full" first, so the
other string can finish.
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Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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http://www.madison.com/tct/business/index.php?ntid=133484&ntpid=0
Local utility touts plug-in hybrids
Mike Ivey [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Capital Times May 10, 2007
SUN PRAIRIE -- Who better than an electric company to embrace the
plug-in car?
Wisconsin Public Power Inc. on Wednesday rolled out a converted
Toyota Prius that can be plugged into a standard 120-volt outlet
and recharged overnight at home.
[Photo by Michelle Stocker/The Capital Times
http://www.madison.com/images/articles/tct/2007/05/10/44914.jpg
This Toyota Prius has been converted to run on both a traditional
hybrid gasoline engine and a rechargeable electic battery.]
The plug-in hybrid electric vehicle, or PHEV, can travel up to 30
miles on a charge. Once the lithium-ion battery runs down, the
regular hybrid system kicks into operation.
As a result, the PHEV can get up to 100 miles on a gallon of
gasoline. It costs about 80 cents based on current electric rates
to recharge for a 30-mile trip.
WPPI officials note that the plug-in electric hybrids drastically
reduce gasoline consumption, emit fewer global warming emissions
and reduce the dependence on imported oil.
"We're committed to being a leader in conservation and energy
efficiency," said vice president of marketing Tom Paque during
Wednesday's roll-out.. "As part of that commitment, we're working
to put this innovative, proven technology on the road today."
WPPI is converting two Toyota Prius hybrid vehicles into PHEVs
for use in its company fleet. The Priuses were purchased from Jon
Lancaster in Madison with the $12,500 conversion being done by
Hymotion, Inc. of Ontario, Canada.
Plug-in electric hybrids are not yet commercially available due
mainly to the shortage of companies producing the batteries and
equipment for the conversion. Most are being installed in
government and fleet vehicles.
"The companies that make the conversion kits are so backlogged
with orders we could only get one conversion done initially,''
said WPPI spokeswoman Anne Rodriguez.
WPPI, which buys electricity in bulk to serve 48 municipal
utilities in the Midwest, is part of a national campaign to urge
automakers to accelerate the development of PHEVs.
Its converted fleet is designed to "demonstrate that plug-in
vehicle technology is a solution that automakers could develop
today using existing technology and no new infrastructure."
In the past, electric vehicles were hampered by the need to
recharge them, which greatly limited their usable range. PHEVs,
however, can run as a regular gasoline-powered hybrid with an
unlimited travel range for longer trips.
"You can fill it up at the gas station, and you can plug it in to
any standard socket," said Rodriguez. "It's like having a second
fuel tank that you always use first."
WPPI is offering incentives to help its members purchase hybrid
cars and neighborhood electric vehicles and to convert hybrids
into PHEVs for their local utility fleets.
Also, WPPI and 38 of its member utilities have joined the
national grassroots Plug-in Partners campaign to convince
automakers that a market exists.
The cost of the batteries needed to power a PHEV is considered
the major hurdle. But battery technology is advancing rapidly and
cost is expected to decrease with mass manufacture.
Toyota Motors North America recently announced plans to pursue
the technology.
Since 78 percent of Americans live within 20 miles of their jobs,
drivers of PHEVs could fill up with gasoline just a few times a
year versus the current 24-36 times on average, WPPI said.
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http://espanhol.autoblog.com/2007/05/10/new-pics-and-specs-of-uev-spyder/
New pics and specs of UEV Spyder
Posted May 10th 2007 3:57PM by John Neff
Filed under: Hybrids/Alternative, Green
[images
http://www.autobloggreen.com/photos/uev-spyder/
]
Universal Electric Vehicle first unveiled its all-electric Spyder
last December at the AltCar Expo in Santa Monica. AutoblogGreen
was on hand at the unveiling, but there wasn't much to report in
terms of specs and pricing. UEV recently reached out to ABG to
plug those holes, and we now know that the Spyder will have a
base price of $70,000, which could rise rather quickly depending
on what battery option one chooses. It appears opting for the
advanced lithium-ion battery pack will not only increase your
Spyder's driving range, but also its final price by some $30,000.
The standard battery pack is of the oft used Nickel Metal Hydride
variety.
While it won't embarass a Tesla Roaster, the Spyder does have an
effective range of 70 to 150 miles depending on the battery pack
and driving habits of the driver, as well as a 100 mph top speed.
It can reach 60 mph in approximately 7 seconds, no doubt a
function of its 2,900 curb weight. That's pretty hefty for a tiny
two-seat roadster, but batteries aren't light.
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Beneficial Bug By Bobbi Mlynar (Contact) May 11, 2007
[Photo by Carly Pearson - (Emporia, KS)
http://72.3.155.221/img/photos/2007/05/08/051107_VW_bug_1_CP.jpg
Mic McGuire sits in his rebuilt VW bug. McGuire and his friend
Tony Tollette turned the car into an electric car to help
conserve the planet's natural resources.]
Mic McGuires 1971 Volkswagen bug doesnt sport any flowers or
peace symbols but, like its predecessors from the 60s and 70s,
its a protest of war and a paean of sorts to environmental
stewardship.
The VW, newly transformed into an electric vehicle, has become
McGuires daily ride.
It wasnt always the snappy-colored standout it has become. It
looked a little forlorn and rusty when Tom Hicks gave it to
McGuire to transform.
McGuires top talents, however, lie in music and ministry.
Consequently, he called on a handful of mechanically inclined
friends to help remove the cars old gasoline engine and replace
it with an electric motor kit and nine 8-volt batteries.
Tony and Rhonda Tollette allowed him to use their garage for the
duration. There, the group of friends hammered out the dents,
installed new carpet, headliner, seatcovers, tires, lights,
brakes and gave it a final paint job.
The paint job is the combination of our creative juices, but
mostly its Tonys work, McGuire said of the vibrant yellow car
with its black fender skirts and 450 amps trim. Tony helped
enormously on the project.
[Photo by Carly Pearson
http://72.3.155.221/img/photos/2007/05/08/051107_VW_bug_2_CP.jpg
Mic McGuire's electric VW beetle runs on nine 8-volt batteries.]
Frank Harbaugh and Gary Thompson, both automotive professionals,
lent their skills, too. A few months and a few thousand dollars
later, it was finished.
McGuire has enjoyed the learning process, the conversation and
camaraderie of the pros who helped, and the personal satisfaction
of finishing the job.
There were lots of doubters, he said. Im as glad that it works
as anybody else.
The VW has run easily at 45 miles per hour, and it is built to
run at highway speeds, though he has yet to try them. The record
high speed for an electric car is 247 miles per hour, he said.
The operating cost is about 3 to 5 cents per mile in any traffic,
approximately half the cost of operating a traditional car,
according to 2006 figures based on a gasoline cost of $1.50 per
gallon. And that does not include an estimated $400 to $600 for
annual maintenance costs of a gas engine.
All in all, the modified VW is a bargain, economically and
ecologically.
It made its debut on Earth Day here at the church, said McGuire,
who is pastor of Grace United Methodist Church
[ http://emporiagrace.org ].
To him, it was a fitting initiation. The VWs modification was an
expression of McGuires faith, applied in both the secular and
sacred worlds.
He has a one-word initial answer for people who ask why he
switched from gasoline to battery power: Iraq.
That was my simple answer, McGuire said. I agree with the
president that we are addicted to oil, and I disagree that were
not there trying to protect our oil.
McGuire is convinced that the nations addiction to oil lies at
the root of the U.S.s war against Iraq, and as a Christian, he
cannot condone killing, especially not to satisfy an addiction.
How do we fight addiction? he asked rhetorically. We quit using
that which were addicted to.
But theres more to McGuires answer than a national appetite for
oil.
More than that, its also taking care of the environment, he
said. This car
produces no emissions, it produces no
pollutants. Yet at the same time I am aware the electricity that
I do use is generated by other resources that do cause
pollution.
Still, the electric VW uses less energy and causes less pollution
than gas-powered cars, and thats important to McGuire for
several reasons.
I think that we are to be good stewards of the earths resources,
not just how much we use them, but how much we overuse them, he
said. More important to me, am I being a good steward of Gods
resources?
If we had just the in-town driving being done in
electric cars, people would save an enormous amount of money and
pollution.
Switching to electric motors in New York City, for example, would
drastically reduce emissions and engine noises that pollute.
Electric vehicles use no power when they are not accelerating,
and that in itself would be monumentally significant in the
stop-and-go traffic jams of larger cities, he said.
I didnt want to ... play like Im trying to save the world,
McGuire said. But at the same time, I dont want to sit idly by
and do nothing.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/10/ngwiz10.xml
Devastating effect of crash test on electric car
By David Millward, Transport Correspondent 12/05/2007
[Boris Johnson: Banning the G-Wiz sums up Labour
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[
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/05/10/ngwiz10.jpg
These pictures show what happened to a G-Wiz electric car when it
was put through a crash test by a safety watchdog.
Euro NCAP, a body funded by the industry and Government, ploughed
the car into a honeycomb block at 40mph as part of a test carried
out in conjunction with Top Gear magazine. The results were
devastating.
Whereas in most tests, technicians can lift out the dummy, in
this case it took half an hour to extricate it from the wreckage
and even then the body was removed in three pieces. The dummy hit
the windscreen and shards of glass were found embedded in the
head, while further damage was done by the stiff steering wheel
column. In addition sharp edges in the area of the footwell would
have caused serious leg injuries, including potentially fatal
bleeding, according to Top Gear.
Earlier this week Stephen Ladyman, the roads minister, called for
a review of the rules surrounding the safety standards applied to
quadricylces such as the G-Wiz.
Keith Johnston, the managing director of Goingreen, which imports
the Indian-made vehicles, said: "The G-Wiz is used as a low-speed
commuter vehicle and its annual average speed is 10mph. There
have been accidents involving the G-Wiz and there has not been a
single report of a serious injury or a fatality."
© Copyright of Telegraph Media Group Limited 2007.
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Hello to All,
John Wayland wrote:
A podcast interview between Vinny of 'Vinny's Garage' and I, will run
on alltalkradio.net <http://alltalkradio.net> on Tuesday 5 pm Pacific.
Also, it will be on Vinny's website at www.vinnysgarage.com
<http://www.vinnysgarage.com>
Wow, Vinny's on top of things! The podcast, #19, is already up and can
be listened to right now, with the following caption:
"It's electric car mayhem when we talk with electric car drag racer
Plasma Boy. And, of course, we find time to complain
about NASCAR."
If you want to skip over the first section about NASCAR, as the download
comes in, move the cursor to the right about 1/5 the way over to get to
the beginning of the long, hopefully not too boring Plasma Boy interview.
<http://www.vinnysgarage.com>
See Ya......John Wayland
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Philippe Borges wrote:
I think a BAD "few shoots" EV drag race competitor can be done for 2007$
...but for this budget forget autocrossing more than 2 miles.
for a 240V1000A EV
20 Junk yard selected (charged then loadtested) SLI battery (200$)
junked second hand 9" forklift motor + battery/motor wiring (300$)
home made hub adapter directely soldered to transmission flywheel (some
free junked metal)
copper bars + power resistors connected to motor by a lever as powerfull
controller, think about a boat speed lever (150$, copper is expensive...)
600A heinman breaker as fuse and disconnect security (50-100$ ebay)
1000A shunt 50mV with 100mV panel meter (for 2000amp reading) (50$)
300V panel Voltmeter (15$)
...there is still some bucks left to purchase a donor :^)
In looking at the cars entered in 2006, I suspect that *none* of the
winning cars could possibly be purchased for $2006. This is kind of like
"Junkyard Wars", where the participants just "happen" to find amazingly
valuable things for free.
Their prices would have a lot more credibility if they were required to
*sell* the cars for $2007 after the race. That would avoid them using
high value ponycars and sports cars, high performance engines, and other
bits and pieces that are seriously undervalued.
But of course, if those are the rules, we can play by those rules, too!
A supercar with a totally blown and unrebuildable engine and
transmission is going to be much cheaper than what these guys have to
pay for the same car *with* a usable engine and transmission. Electric
monster motors, contactor controllers, and nicad aircraft batteries are
far cheaper than ICE monster motors, racing transmissions, and other ICE
competition parts.
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There is a crack in everything
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Bill what produces 150 million milligauss DC magnetic fields? (will
it pull of your watch or glasses?)
I worked in the Superconductors and magnetic materials Group
at NBS in Boulder for several years. We had several very large
supreconducting magnets. We had one magnet that would go up to 15 Tesla.
You had to be very careful with tools. We had some
beryllium-copper alloy wrenches, but you really had no choice but to
use some magnetic tools occasionally when the filed was ramped up.
For example, the power leads would frost up and you would have to
thaw them with a heat gun. You would carefully maneuver the heat gun
as you approached the magnet to hold it in low gradient regions. If
you lost focus on what you were doing and allowed the heat gun to
stray into a high-gradient portion of the field, the magnet would
snatch it away and smash the gun into the side of the Dewar. Pretty
much everyone managed to smash a heat gun at least once.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, the most amusing
(embarrassing) thing would be if you forgot your key ring in your
front pocket. The result would be the appearance that you had a
strangely personal attraction to the magnet. :-)
These superconducting magnets were so powerful that we could
stick magnetic objects (wrenches, paperclips, etc.) to a portion of
the wall in the hallway outside the lab. Credit cards, ATM cards, and
watches were pretty much a goner if you accidentally exposed them to
the large field gradients present in the lab (like near the corner of a desk.)
With fields this large and exposures this routine for so
many people for so many years, it is obvious that there are no ill
effects from small exposure to the relatively tiny DC magnetic fields
we have in everyday life.
Bill Dube'
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So what would be the effect of routine exposure to 15,000 Gauss over
many years?
I think the effect would be healthy skepticism about any ill effects
of tiny DC magnetic fields.
Bill Dube'
At 09:53 AM 5/12/2007, you wrote:
Yes,
DC and varying fields do have eccefts on living organisms. Mainly in
situations where cells are multiplicating. But the problem is that it is
all a matter of dosage. There is a very fine line between normal cell
multiplication and abnormal one. Anything that affects cell
multiplication, be it drug molecules or EM fields can have both a good and
controlled effect or go overboard and cause uncontrolled multiplication.
The body works in a fine tuned way, a perfect balancing act.
Patrick Robin
> Dc feilds have all kinds of effects of the human body.
>
> Accelerating bone and tooth growth etc.
>
> Electric charged braces move teeth faster.
> Vertebrates cab even regrow lost limbs with artificiak dc fields applied
> to their stumps.
>
>
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 10:39 pm, Bill Dube wrote:
>> As I said "Peer Reviewed" "Scientific Studies". This book you site is
>> _not_ peer reviewed and is _not_ a scientific study.
>>
>> You must show, via a carefully run study on lots of randomly selected
>> people, that folks exposed to DC magnetic fields have adverse health
>> effects markedly different than those that are not exposed to DC
>> magnetic fields. (or those exposed to a different amount of DC magnetic
>> fields.)
>>
>> Here is a paper showing a summary of the peer-reviewed (scientific)
>> literature on the health effects of magnetic fields of all frequencies:
>> http://www.bccdc.org/content.php?item=57
>>
>> Guess what, DC fields are harmless.
>>
>> There has been some genuine scientific studies on bone healing
>> acceleration with DC fields, but it is possible that the forces on the
>> magnets, rather than the field in the bone, aided healing. Causality
>> was not well controlled. Regardless, it was a positive health effect
>> rather than a negative one.
>>
>>
>> At 05:29 PM 5/11/2007, you wrote:
>>
>>>> The needle on the BS meter has now spun around three times and has
>>>> flown off. :-)
>>>>
>>>> You are concerned about 100 milliGauss. I have personally
>>>> worked in DC fields as high as 150,000,000 milliGauss. If 100
>>>> milliGuass DC was at all harmful, I would be dead 1,500,000 times
>>>> over!
>>>>
>>>> The typical MRI scan is 15,000 Gauss. (15,000,000 milliGauss)
>>>>
>>>> The Earth's field is about 300 milliGauss. I guess we all will die
>>>> from that very quickly as it is 3 times the amount you are concerned
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> Again, show me the peer-reviewed scientific studies that show that DC
>>>> fields are harmful. There are none because DC fields are not harmful.
>>>
>>> You sure you want to read them? They are pretty boring ;)
>>>
>>> To get plenty of references to them and maybe not falling asleep while
>>> reading about the subject get a copy of "Cross Currents" by Dr Robert O
>>> Becker. In the bibliography you will have all the references you want.
>>>
>>> And I never mentioned DC fields. Obviously the motors produce varying
>>> fields no matter if they are AC or DC current fed. Both work of varying
>>> magnetic fields otherwhise the motor would stand still.
>>>
>>> No one said 100 mGauss will kill you just like smoking one cigarette
>>> will
>>> not or sniffing VOCs once in while a wont. One the other hand, All of
>>> them
>>> are considered stressors or toxins.
>>>
>>> Please keep the discussion level headed. We are just asking resonable
>>> questions.
>>>
>>> Patrick Robin
>>>>
>>>> Bill Dube'
>>>>
>>>> At 12:15 PM 5/11/2007, you wrote:
>>>>> I think it is the frequency (megahertz) that counts which I guess
>>>>> maybe in the case of AC is what it is pulsed at. With DC motors I
>>>>> don't know, they must be creating an electromagnetic field at some
>>>>> sort of frequency. Even though DC is what is says Direct Current the
>>>>> controller is pulsing energy to it.
>>>>> Some studies I believe have shown certain frequencies to be worse
>>>>> than others.
>>>>> Anyway all motors put out emf radiation.
>>>>> I just did a test in the shop using a TriField Meter, I tested DC
>>>>> hand power tools, AC hand power tools, a drill press and band saw,
>>>>> and a 3-phase industrial grinder. All of them had electromagnetic
>>>>> fields which varied between 4 and 8 feet before dropping completely
>>>>> off. And were well over 100milligause up close. Using the variable
>>>>> speed trigger vs. full on with the battery hand drill created a
>>>>> higher field.
>>>>> I think one of the theories is that we have evolved with the magnetic
>>>>> and frequency field of the earth and all the electrical things we
>>>>> have created are running at different frequencies and so mess up our
>>>>> internal electronics.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't worry about the Gauss meter reading when the BS meter is
>>>>>> pegged.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes there is controversy over this and for example: Cell Phones,
>>>>> Chemicals in food, Genetic Engineering, Global Warming, Pollution
>>>>> from SUV's :), Aliens, Nuclear Power, Mac's vs. PC's... the list goes
>>>>> on. They used to spray DDT on children to kill mosquitoes.(shrug)
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not claiming anything... (besides my tests I mentioned in the
>>>>> shop :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Tehben
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Patrick Robin
>>> http://atelierrobin.net
>
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> and the melting poles.
>
> www.ElectricQuakes.com daily solar and earthquake images.
>
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http://atelierrobin.net
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I am speaking as a person who designs electronic circuits for a living in
the field of motor control and other fields. I also have made many
measurements of such motors and can confirm from actual measurements that
real life motors do emit very large AC fields that are much larger than
the field from the wires feeding them. And they die off folling the square
root law just like the field from a single wire. No mistery there.
There are no magnetic monopoles (I know this as I built the
NIST instrument that experimentally proved this. I have the
conference T-shirt, even.) Thus, magnet fields do NOT follow the
square root law since they emanate from dipoles. They fall off much
more quickly than that. It is quite non-linear, actually. Thus, you
have not made careful measurements, and you do not have a
good understanding of magnetic fields, if you assert that radiated
magnetic follow a square root law. They do not.
Bill Dube'
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Chip,
You forgot the AZTEC. EVA/DC's rescued and rebuilt winner of the 1994 and 95
Tour de Sol commuter class vehicle originally made by MIT to win the contest.
This makes 20 EVs all together. I am still pulling for a pure solar vehicle to
make it to the event. Is there any school that has an EV1 in the area. We would
love to see an EV1 there. What I am hoping is that this group can help us
network out to all the people who have EVs in the mid-Atlantic area to get them
to bring their vehicles. The idea is to show these vehicles to the general
public and to have a great time shocking them (pun alert) at what these
vehicles can really do.
I also want to encourage any school, college are group in the area to come on
over for fun even if you don't have a vehicle to show. Maybe next year the
Power of DC will motivate you to build a racing EV and to bring it to the
event.
Also, I have joked for years about how the EV SOL (my Destiny2000 professional
electric conversion of a 1985 Fiero SE from Solar Electric Engineering (one of
Gary Starr's early projects that was legit)) is lacking in the get up and go
area, which is untypical for an electric vehicle. What should I do to get
acceleration up for a 108 volt Trojan 125 (18 6 volt) flooded lead acid
battery, Curtis 1221B controlled vehicle? It has a 9 inch Advanced DC motor
coupled to a 5 speed manual transmission?
I know that Chip might be a little embarrassed to ask this, but I am not. You
all know these events need money to keep going. Money to pay for the
porta-johns, trophies, printing, publicity and more. Would it be asking too
much of the list to donate small amounts of like 10 to 20 dollars to help the
cause? Can you find it in your harts fellas to give to give to this little
orphaned race a chance to celebrate a little Christmas in June? (With the sad
eye's of the Puss in Boots of the movie Shrek). If you can find it with in you,
you can send your check made out to EVA/DC and send it to EVA/DC,
4314 Ann Fitz Hugh Drive, Annandale, VA 22003. In the note put "Power of DC."
Thank you. Any little bit helps.
ChipGribben Wrote:
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Hey All,
Here is the latest information on the 2007 Power of DC presented by
Harvey Coachworks. Thanks for everyone's interest and this year we
have opportunities for just about everyone who has an EV to compete
in some event.
The Power of DC is June 2-3 in Hagerstown, Maryland which is in
Western Maryland.
ACCOMMODATIONS AND INFORMATION
All the info including Hotels and Maps is available on the Power of
DC website http://www.powerofdc.com. The "Welcome Page" has most of
the pertinent information with a link to a listing of hotels, map to
the events, and the event flyer. Briefly, hotels are available on
Halfway Blvd off I-81 and Dual Highway (Rt 40) North of I-70. Both
are within 5 to 10 minutes of each days events.
POWER OF DC SCHEDULE
SATURDAY, JUNE 2
Location: Southend Shopping Center Parking lot - 1181 Maryland
Avenue, Hagerstown
9:00 am to 10:30 - Arrive and set up. Meet and great time.
10:30 - AutoCross (course set up and timing by the SCCA)
12:00 pm - Lunch
1:00 pm - Range Rally (8 miles)
1:00 pm - ScooterCross (All ages. Kids under 16 with parental consent)
2:30 pm - Show-n-Shine
4:00 to 5:00 pm - Awards
6:00 pm Dinner and Social (TBA)
SUNDAY, JUNE 3 - OFFICIAL NEDRA EVENT
Location: Mason-Dixon Dragway. 21344 National Pike (Rt 40) Boonsboro,
MD 21713. A mile or so south of Interstate 70 and about 10 to 15
minutes from Saturday's location.
There is an entrance fee of $25 for racers and its either $5 or $10
for spectators.
Everyone is more then welcome to hang out in the pit area.
10:00 am - Organizers set up
11:00 am - Gates open
12:00 to 4:00 pm - Drag Racing
5:00 to 5:30 - Awards
6:00 Dinner - TBA
RAFFLES AND GIVE AWAYS
We have lots of cool stuff to give away including a custom built 6.7
motor from the EVDLs own Jim Husted. Thunderstruck Motors has donated
an Etek Motor. Plasma Boy Racing - our own John Wayland has donated
some Plasma Boy Shirts. SEVO is donating an electric mini-bike.
QuickCable has donated some really nice crimping tools. . . and more.
SPONSORS
Harvey Coachworks
Maryland Energy Administration
Clean Cities of Metropolitan Baltimore
Thunderstruck Motors
Hi-Torque Electric
KTA Services
Plasma Boy Racing
Manzanita Micro
SkooterCommuter
Quick Cable
Sierra Club, Catoctin Region
Electric Vehicle Association of Washington DC
RACERS
These are racers who confirmed or expressed interest in racing
1) West Virginia University Electric Formula 1
2) Lawless Industries and their fleet of vehicles:
a) Orange Juice Dragster
b) NEDRA record breaker, AGNS Motorcycle
c) Nash Electropolitan
3)Darrin Gilbert's upgraded Pirahna motorcycle
4) Great Mills High School is bringing something new and hot
5) Mike Harvey's awesome Cabriolet conversion
6) I think Miramar may be coming up from Florida with their Porsche
7) Central Shenandoah Regional Governor's School 240-Z
8) Joe Lado's Destiny 2000 bright yellow Fiero
9) Chip Gribben's fleet of EVs
a) 144 volt Ford Escort
b) Dual motor Schwinn Scooter
c) Custom stretched out electric cruiser bike
10) Bryan Murtha's Fleet of EVs
a) RAV-4 EV
b) Ranger EV
11) I think Bob Rice is coming down
12) Dave cover's new EV
13) Mark Hansen's new Electric Porsche, but I think he will be away.
14) SkooterCommuter's Kasea scooter
If I left anyone out please let me know
We would also sincerely like to thank those on the list who are
visiting the event.
AWARDS
We will be giving out trophies to the award winners. Hopefully some
cash will be awarded depending on how much we can raise before the
event.
T-SHIRTS
Event T-Shirts will be available for sale for $20.00 each
Hope to see you all there
Chip Gribben
Power of DC
http://www.power.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cell 240-687-1678
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