EV Digest 6798
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: a not too successful test run
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: A123 Automotive Propulsion Battery
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Speaking of battery announcements ... What about Firefly
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Vehicle efficiency, wh/mile
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) 9.1" Motor for sale
by "Peter Gabrielsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: direct drive or transmission?
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: AGNS Joins 100 MPH Club-Sets New NEDRA record
by "rcboyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Speaking of battery announcements ... What about Firefly
by "Dmitri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) RE: AGNS Joins 100 MPH Club-Sets New NEDRA record
by "rcboyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) contactor amps
by mike golub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: contactor amps
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: contactor amps
by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) KillaCycle Motor Timing "Shifter"
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: contactor amps
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Electropolitan smokes tire, misses record
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Electropolitan smokes tire, misses record
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: KillaCycle Motor Timing "Shifter"
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) 42 more to go!
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: a not too successful test run
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: contactor amps
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Solectra/Azure Dynamics DMOC445 AC controller
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Newbie needs EV information
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) RE: 42 more to go!
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: 42 more to go! [slightly OT now!]
by Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Husted's Box of Spare 's (was RE: KillaCycle Motor Timing "Shifter")
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Solectra/Azure Dynamics DMOC445 AC controller
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Main Contactor Ebay Search Criteria
by "Martin Winlow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) RE: direct drive or =?UTF-8?B?dHJhbnNtaXNzaW9uPw==?=
by Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) RE: Motor needed
by Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hey Steve
Kind of hard to tell what happed to the motor from
your discription. What type of metal came from the
motor. Are these fan cooled, are they fan fins?
If you'd like take some pics and email them to me and
I'll offer what I can.
Best of luck, hope this helps
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
--- steve ollerton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi folks
>
> Just had an interesting evening testing my electric
> mini. We took it for
> its longest test run to date.
> I have a twin Lynch motor running through a Reliant
> diff (rear wheel
> drive.) 128Volt Li ion batts with Lynch protectors.
> Curtis 1281C controller.
>
> All seemed to be going well until we noticed a spark
> or 2 under the car
> after about 2 miles driving. The motor has a
> thermocouple attached which
> was reading 50C so we carried on. The motor is
> mounted under the car.
>
> After another mile or so there was a very horrible
> mincing sound and we
> decided to stop. There was lots of smoke too!!
>
> Looking back on the road there were lots of little
> metal pieces and I
> feared the worst. Interestingly the motor was still
> running but making a
> horrible noise.
>
> We towed it back to base and removed the motor. The
> rear half of the
> motor is completely screwed. It appears all these
> little pieces of metal
> have come from it. All the fins look chewed up. The
> front half looks OK
> and possibly explains why the motor was still
> working.
>
> Any ideas what may have happened? Have I cooked
> half my motor? May
> there have been some problem with it.
>
> Other info that may be useful. This car has only
> ever done short runs of
> less than a mile before. This was by far its longest
> run. We have never
> had any problem with the motor before - always been
> OK on short runs.
>
> What do I do now? - apart from speak to Lynch motor
> co. of course. Any
> help appreciated.
>
> Steve
>
>
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The 32 series cells are not in commercial production yet. You will be
able to buy them in about year, I'd guess.
Bill Dube'
At 10:25 AM 5/20/2007, you wrote:
Sorry jeff, the entire sight is flash. Sounds like it is time for you
to upgrade your computer ;)
Those batteries sound pretty sweet. Now we just need to get our hands
on some ;)
I emailed them... for what that's worth.
Tehben
On May 19, 2007, at 7:27 PM, Jeff Shanab wrote:
Grumble. Another flash only, not even a simple backup link that works,
STUPID buggy, Bandwidth hogging Flash. Web designers who are sure they
know what I want, Line em up and shoot em as far as I am concerned.
Can you post me a link just pass the darn flash stuff so I can see the
content. (Flash is "blocked" on this 64bit OS)
My biggest fear is that you will have to be a Major car company to get
your hands on one and will have to agree not to divulge, sell, etc.
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What are the benefits other than reduced weight of this proposed
battery? A forklift company certainly can't be interested in saving weight.
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>> Let us know when "near future" becomes "available now" then we'll get
>> excited, until then....<yawn>
>
> I AM talking "now". Look up CIGS and/or cadmium telluride thin film
> cells, a bunch of companies are ramping up production as we speak,
> first quantities being on market. Just one example : FSLR .
Sorry, where <specifically> can I buy one right now?
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I have a dual shaft advanced DC 9.1" series wound motor I'm going to
put up on ebay soon, I thought I'd give the list a chance to make me a
decent offer first though. It's located in Pasadena, CA and I'll
deliver anywhere in the greater LA area.
The motor has been chrome plated and is very shiny, it has barely seen
any use. There's almost no wear on the comm and the brushes have
plenty of meat left. It's been sitting on a shelf for the past decade.
Motor1
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/214/506638921_a1d4e30be9_b.jpg
Motor2
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/192/506638917_83cb213f15_b.jpg
Commutator
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/226/506638941_378ba3281e_b.jpg
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Wow, what a storm this opened up.
I'm sorry John, but if we go with your definitions of "direct drive" then
the term becomes so ambiguous as to be useless.
When someone asks "what kind of motor do I need with direct drive" or "is
direct drive better than ..."
Now we have to ask them which kind of "direct drive" they mean?
Seems to me that it would be better if folks were a bit more specific from
the begining and I feel that we <as a group> can encourage that by using
more specific terms, and giving more specific definitions to the terms we
use.
But if you want to push for more ambiguity, I guess we can go that way too.
P.S. I thought it was the Swiss who were traditionally neutral? I'm
probably wrong, plus I don't recall any Swiss Muppets.
>>Please let's not make it a question of "sides"; it already looks as if
>>Damon has taken offense to my choosing to challenge John Wayland's
>>interpretation. ;^>
>
>
> I can see by your smiley that you realize my post was all in fun. These
> type of arguments over semantics tickle my phunny bone in a way that makes
> my fingers start typing. I could have just as easily displayed my unique
> sense of humor by "taking your side" but I couldn't do it without taking a
> side at all... Hmmm perhaps next time I will have to come up with some
> clever way of being neutral. Anybody know any good Swedish jokes? Or if
> I
> type a post in "Swedish Chef" speak would that be to much of a strech.
>
> damon
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Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 12:58 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: AGNS Joins 100 MPH Club-Sets New NEDRA record
Mr Boyd,
You are welcome to race my vehicles any time. Anyone who can buzz a
beach at 50 ft and 300 MPH + can certainly handle anything I build.
I'll get my medical current and we'll go do some flying. Is that
fabulous Hudson Hornet still out there?
Shawn
Shawn,
I just ran up the highway and checked, and it's still sitting up there
in the rain. I took a picture and if I can remember how to do it I will
send it to you. The place wasn't open today but I will go up tomorrow
and find out all the particulars about it.
Bob
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Sent: Sun, 20 May 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: AGNS Joins 100 MPH Club-Sets New NEDRA record
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 6:10 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: AGNS Joins 100 MPH Club-Sets New NEDRA record
Thanks John,
Those Hawkers do Rock hard. Denis said they were still pulling at 1/4
mile. The numbers back him up. He gained 25 MPH the second 1/8. I
just got in some new v28's but haven't felt the urgency to switch back
to Lithium just yet. AGNS is going to need every one of them in the
future if she is going to breath any harder on the back of Bill's neck.
I'm going to start heating up the bats artificially. What do you
think is the perfect temp for absolute max output?
There is no doubt traditional trains of thought are being challenged
every time we go to the track. In a few short hrs yesterday we had
probably 20-25 folks make the trip over to our setup and inquire or
comment on just how we were going so fast with no noise. Performance
talks. Speaking of that, the attention that Bill has garnered with his
Killacycle is working nationwide. It seems every biker that asks about
our bike has a story about some guy out west running low 8's at 150+.
If they know about it in rural Ohio, they've got to know about it at
almost every track in the country.
I haven't been out that way since my trip to Bob Boyd's 5 years ago.
It's about time for another.
Shawn
Hi Shawn;
If you need a 150 pound driver out in this area, I'm available. I just
passed my FAA flying physical and will be back flying as soon as I get a
biannual flight review. I have been watching your progress up through
the NEDRA ranks with high glee and wish I lived closer to you so I could
hang around the shop with you.
Bob
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Sent: Sun, 20 May 2007 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: AGNS Joins 100 MPH Club-Sets New NEDRA record
Hello to All,
Congrats...again, to Shawn!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Run # 1 flashed on the board as a 12.92 @ 102 MPH. AGNS is in the >
club! An hr. later we got a chance to back it up. Run #2 showed the >
12 old Hawkers were starting to come alive. 12.67 @ 106 MPH.
We all know that lithium is the holy grail, but boy those Hawkers sure
do rock!
>From Roy:
>Hey Plasma Boy! Are you listening? This little bike is coming closer
to your MPHs and ETs. (@144V)
Yes, and I couldn't be any happier! The more EVers we have out on the
track blowing minds and changing perceptions, the better!
Shawn, you should load up some of your go-fast EVs and come out West
and play at either the Wayland Invitational III or the NEDRA Nationals
in August!
See Ya....John Wayland
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Everything. Look at www.fireflyenergy.com We have to wait and see.
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From: "Jeff Shanab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 6:37 PM
Subject: Speaking of battery announcements ... What about Firefly
What are the benefits other than reduced weight of this proposed
battery? A forklift company certainly can't be interested in saving
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Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 12:58 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: AGNS Joins 100 MPH Club-Sets New NEDRA record
Mr Boyd,
You are welcome to race my vehicles any time. Anyone who can buzz a
beach at 50 ft and 300 MPH + can certainly handle anything I build.
I'll get my medical current and we'll go do some flying. Is that
fabulous Hudson Hornet still out there?
Shawn
Shawn,
I just ran up the highway and checked, and it's still sitting up there
in the rain. I took a picture and if I can remember how to do it I will
send it to you. The place wasn't open today but I will go up tomorrow
and find out all the particulars about it.
Bob
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Sent: Sun, 20 May 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: AGNS Joins 100 MPH Club-Sets New NEDRA record
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Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 6:10 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: AGNS Joins 100 MPH Club-Sets New NEDRA record
Thanks John,
Those Hawkers do Rock hard. Denis said they were still pulling at 1/4
mile. The numbers back him up. He gained 25 MPH the second 1/8. I
just got in some new v28's but haven't felt the urgency to switch back
to Lithium just yet. AGNS is going to need every one of them in the
future if she is going to breath any harder on the back of Bill's neck.
I'm going to start heating up the bats artificially. What do you
think is the perfect temp for absolute max output?
There is no doubt traditional trains of thought are being challenged
every time we go to the track. In a few short hrs yesterday we had
probably 20-25 folks make the trip over to our setup and inquire or
comment on just how we were going so fast with no noise. Performance
talks. Speaking of that, the attention that Bill has garnered with his
Killacycle is working nationwide. It seems every biker that asks about
our bike has a story about some guy out west running low 8's at 150+.
If they know about it in rural Ohio, they've got to know about it at
almost every track in the country.
I haven't been out that way since my trip to Bob Boyd's 5 years ago.
It's about time for another.
Shawn
Hi Shawn;
If you need a 150 pound driver out in this area, I'm available. I just
passed my FAA flying physical and will be back flying as soon as I get a
biannual flight review. I have been watching your progress up through
the NEDRA ranks with high glee and wish I lived closer to you so I could
hang around the shop with you.
Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Sent: Sun, 20 May 2007 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: AGNS Joins 100 MPH Club-Sets New NEDRA record
Hello to All,
Congrats...again, to Shawn!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Run # 1 flashed on the board as a 12.92 @ 102 MPH. AGNS is in the >
club! An hr. later we got a chance to back it up. Run #2 showed the >
12 old Hawkers were starting to come alive. 12.67 @ 106 MPH.
We all know that lithium is the holy grail, but boy those Hawkers sure
do rock!
>From Roy:
>Hey Plasma Boy! Are you listening? This little bike is coming closer
to your MPHs and ETs. (@144V)
Yes, and I couldn't be any happier! The more EVers we have out on the
track blowing minds and changing perceptions, the better!
Shawn, you should load up some of your go-fast EVs and come out West
and play at either the Wayland Invitational III or the NEDRA Nationals
in August!
See Ya....John Wayland
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How many amps does it take for a contactor to close,
and
how much amps does it use to remain shut.
Any guesses?
Thanks
Michael
Fairbanks
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For a "regular" KiloVac Bubba, without economizer circuit, it takes
about an amp to hold it shut.
At 05:42 PM 5/20/2007, you wrote:
How many amps does it take for a contactor to close,
and
how much amps does it use to remain shut.
Any guesses?
Thanks
Michael
Fairbanks
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The LEV200 will draw 1-amp (12v) to turn on. I use PWM in my precharge
controller to reduce the current to just 600ma to keep it on.
Jack
mike golub wrote:
How many amps does it take for a contactor to close,
and
how much amps does it use to remain shut.
Any guesses?
Thanks
Michael
Fairbanks
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Well, I finally have it all working, I think.
Here is a picture of the timing "shift" linkage:
http://www.killacycle.com/photos/motor-details/DSCN1524.JPG
The pneumatic cylinder on the left pushes down on the lever made
from aluminum angle stock. The lever is bolted to the timing disk of
the rear motor. The disk rotates CCW as the lever is pushed downward
by the cylinder, advancing the motor brush timing by about 5 degrees.
The tie rod linkage at the bottom of the timing disk synchronizes
the front disk with the rear disk.
There are a few other pictures in the motor album showing the inner
workings of the adjustable timing mechanism that Derek Barger made on
his nifty CNC milling machine. It is worth browsing the album to see
how the whole thing goes together.
Well, we'll see if it works at the next race at the NEDRA Wayland
Invitational on July 13th and 14th.
If we can stop making plasma, perhaps all that energy will go into
the motor windings and make the bike go faster. :-) We will find out
on the track.
Bill Dube'
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Hello Mike,
This depends on the design of the contactor. A contactor that is specialty
design for EV traction is design to have a low drop-out level and a medium
pull level of the nominal voltage of the contactor coil that is at the same
voltage of the battery pack.
The 12 volt coils that must people are using is not rated this way. Some
standard contactors cannot take too much of a voltage drop and over voltage,
so many are using a 12 volt coil that is independent of the main battery
pack.
The contactors that are use in industrial application and in my EV is a true
EV contactor. They are made by CableForm which is a open frame unit. Every
component in this contactor can be replace, rebuilt, just like a motor can.
The same contactor frame 40 years ago will be the same frame today. The
only thing that change is the coil composite. This contactor will fit in
the same mounting, just like a circuit breaker that was install 50 year ago,
and you can still install a new one in the same space.
The coil is design to run off the battery pack voltage and will accept the
maximum overvoltage which in my case is 233 volts for my 180 volt battery
pack. The pull in voltage is design to come in at 165 volts, which is the
low limit cut out of the battery pack and also the voltage rating of the
motor.
The drop out will go as low as 11 volts before the contactor will open up.
Normally I will not reach this level because the controller is set to shut
down at 155 volts.
Using this type of contactor the coil rating is size to the main battery
pack. This type of contactor is design as back up for low voltage limit if
the motor controller circuit fails.
Roland
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From: "mike golub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 6:42 PM
Subject: contactor amps
> How many amps does it take for a contactor to close,
> and
> how much amps does it use to remain shut.
>
> Any guesses?
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
> Fairbanks
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Thanks for the info. I wonder if anyone makes a spool to fit a 1956
Metropolitan rear end. I haven't even looked.
See what it looks like, the size of it and the axles and the spline
count. I'm sure something could be cut/mod'd to work:
http://www.markwilliams.com/rearDifferentials.aspx?CategoryID=201
Or Strange or Dutchman.
http://www.powertrax.com/
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Hey Shawn, all
I got to look at some pics of Shawns big Prestolite
motor today and it looks like it's being run at 48
volts, Big monster ADC style brushes! I'm not sure
how it's wound but being it's maxing out at just over
3K RPM wise he's got lot's of room for more volts.
I'm not sure how many batts that little buggy can
carry but if he can cram more in and get some traction
there'll be some wheel stand pics forthcoming 8^o
Anyway like I told Shawn how cool to be having so much
fun and turning heads at the same time, ought to be
illeagle 8^o
Anyway congrats, I look forward to seeing improved
times on both bike and car as details get worked out.
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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Hey Bill
Looks good. Personally can't wait to see how it
works. Right now my only input is the one Marko's
using in baby blue set way advanced and his infamous
but it loves it on the freeway statement. I'm hoping
that this increase will not only prevent it from
flashing over (at least to a point) but also adding
some powerband to the upper end.
I guess I'm wanting him to come back to the pits and
say "Bill, it just loves it on the freeway" well that
and a 7 flashing on the screen 8^)
I may need to aquire some valum in case you and
Wayland are able to pull a 7/11 8^o Hate to faint and
wake up to Mike Willmon giving me mouth to mouth, ROF!
On a side note to anyone that maybe planning on racing
the Wayland invitational. I'll be bringing up misc.
ADC brushes and stuff in hopes that an in-pit fix
might keep the runs going in the event of
non-catastrophic motor failure. Anyone who might not
be running ADC stuff and would like me to be advised
of what you are running send me a private pic / number
and I'll bring up what I have including some tools.
Just wanting to offer my services in advance.
Anyway I don't know about you all, but this is about
as fun as it gets for an old motor dog 8^)
BTW got to love that big ole sticker shot in that pic,
best darn 2 bucks I EVer spent 8^)
Again, just can't wait.
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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If 42 more people look at the KillaCycle Las Vegas "plasma" video, it
will go over 100,000 views.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dRpAZci9m0
The Firebird video is over 94,000 views as well, so a few thousand
more will push it over 100,000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHJNG2PngQ
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In my previous DC life this is how I started with my Honda, and the
reason was - I have no idea that the motor is advanced only for
default CCW rotation. So since all Hondas are opposite (CW), I ran motor
backward so the brushes melted. I had to ship it to ADC to fix and
reverse-advance it (this was in 1995).
So, if your motor is brushed DC type, make sure it's advanced in right
rotation direction.
Victor
steve ollerton wrote:
Hi folks
Just had an interesting evening testing my electric mini. We took it for
its longest test run to date.
I have a twin Lynch motor running through a Reliant diff (rear wheel
drive.) 128Volt Li ion batts with Lynch protectors. Curtis 1281C
controller.
All seemed to be going well until we noticed a spark or 2 under the car
after about 2 miles driving. The motor has a thermocouple attached which
was reading 50C so we carried on. The motor is mounted under the car.
After another mile or so there was a very horrible mincing sound and we
decided to stop. There was lots of smoke too!!
Looking back on the road there were lots of little metal pieces and I
feared the worst. Interestingly the motor was still running but making a
horrible noise.
We towed it back to base and removed the motor. The rear half of the
motor is completely screwed. It appears all these little pieces of metal
have come from it. All the fins look chewed up. The front half looks OK
and possibly explains why the motor was still working.
Any ideas what may have happened? Have I cooked half my motor? May
there have been some problem with it.
Other info that may be useful. This car has only ever done short runs of
less than a mile before. This was by far its longest run. We have never
had any problem with the motor before - always been OK on short runs.
What do I do now? - apart from speak to Lynch motor co. of course. Any
help appreciated.
Steve
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From: mike golub
> How many amps does it take for a contactor to close,
> and how much amps does it use to remain shut.
You don't have to guess; these are values you will find on the data sheet.
Typical specs are:
- guaranteed pull-in at 75% of rated coil voltage
- guaranteed hold-in at 50% of rated coil voltage
- guaranteed drop-out at less than 10% of rated coil voltage
Note that there is a large tolerance on the exact pull-in and drop-out voltage.
A contactor might pull in at anything from 30-70% of rated voltage, and drop
out at 15-30% of rated voltage.
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Frances Willard
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It's been my observation that Solectria seldom gives out anything, including
advice, for free. I suspect that this is one reason that they're still in
business (though now under different ownership).
So, you may have more success if you call them and announce at the outset
that you're interested in purchasing consulting time. Have your credit card
ready as they'll want to open an account for you. What you pay will depend
on what kind of consulting you need. I think last I heard the rates varied
from $50 (or was it $35?) to around $100 per hour or fraction thereof,
depending on who you needed to speak with. I might be recalling those
amounts incorrectly.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Can someone on the EVDL send some info to Dan? His email is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think he sent this email while visiting the EVA/DC website. I'm so
swamped I can't answer these types of questions and I think some
folks here may be able to provide more info.
Thanks
Chip Gribben
NEDRA, EVA/DC, NEDRA Power of DC
Hello,
My name is Dan Cambron and I am interested in building an
electric car that could serve to move me back & forth to work. I need
more information and don't know where to look for it. I have ordered
the book by Bob Brandt but it has not arrived yet. Can you point me
in the right direction so that I can find the right materials?? or at
least tell me what you can so that I will know the key words to be
able to look up the information myself? I have spent some time on
here over the last few days and don't know if I am heading in the
right direction or not.I would also like to be able to talk to
someone about: size & weight of batteries, to put them in series or
parallel, low voltage versus high voltage, using inverter or not, DC
or AC motors, etc. I am NOT a professional by any means but I do want
to see what I can come up with. Thanks, Dan Cambron
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I barely got to it when I read this and you were already 76 over 100k.
Anyone know how many views would be a record for You Tube?
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Bill Dube
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:44 PM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: 42 more to go!
>
>
> If 42 more people look at the KillaCycle Las Vegas "plasma" video, it
> will go over 100,000 views.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dRpAZci9m0
> The Firebird video is over 94,000 views as well, so a few thousand
> more will push it over 100,000
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHJNG2PngQ
>
> Bill Dube'
>
>
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You'd have to beat 48.9 million:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dMH0bHeiRNg
On 21/05/2007, at 4:32 PM, Mike Willmon wrote:
I barely got to it when I read this and you were already 76 over 100k.
Anyone know how many views would be a record for You Tube?
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Bill Dube
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:44 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: 42 more to go!
If 42 more people look at the KillaCycle Las Vegas "plasma" video, it
will go over 100,000 views.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dRpAZci9m0
The Firebird video is over 94,000 views as well, so a few thousand
more will push it over 100,000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHJNG2PngQ
Bill Dube'
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Jim,
I'm with you. Can't wait to see this adjustable advance rigging work.
You lost me on the mouth-to-mouth thing though.
Thoughts of a pic with a naked hairy ass come to mind ;-)
(but they may not let donkey's in the track though).
I won't have a car put together yet so I'll probably be racing a 6-pack while
I'm there.
You'll still have my motors won't you ;-P
So if you're bringing spares, how about a Guiness, Weinhardts Dark or even a
spare MGD or two.
All kidding aside though thats a good idea you have there and may even earn you
a sixer or two.
Nothing like doing open motor surgery or an emergency brushectomy (or would
that be a transplant) right on the track. If you
pulled that off it could very well start earning you a job on the electric
racing circuit. Just don't show up there with a spare
TransWarP9 ;-)
Til then,
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Jim Husted
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 7:28 PM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: KillaCycle Motor Timing "Shifter"
>
>
> Hey Bill
>
> Looks good. Personally can't wait to see how it
> works. Right now my only input is the one Marko's
> using in baby blue set way advanced and his infamous
> but it loves it on the freeway statement. I'm hoping
> that this increase will not only prevent it from
> flashing over (at least to a point) but also adding
> some powerband to the upper end.
> I guess I'm wanting him to come back to the pits and
> say "Bill, it just loves it on the freeway" well that
> and a 7 flashing on the screen 8^)
> I may need to aquire some valum in case you and
> Wayland are able to pull a 7/11 8^o Hate to faint and
> wake up to Mike Willmon giving me mouth to mouth, ROF!
>
> On a side note to anyone that maybe planning on racing
> the Wayland invitational. I'll be bringing up misc.
> ADC brushes and stuff in hopes that an in-pit fix
> might keep the runs going in the event of
> non-catastrophic motor failure. Anyone who might not
> be running ADC stuff and would like me to be advised
> of what you are running send me a private pic / number
> and I'll bring up what I have including some tools.
> Just wanting to offer my services in advance.
> Anyway I don't know about you all, but this is about
> as fun as it gets for an old motor dog 8^)
> BTW got to love that big ole sticker shot in that pic,
> best darn 2 bucks I EVer spent 8^)
> Again, just can't wait.
> Cya
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
>
>
>
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I don't thin that will help muchj. My main question from the begining has
been how much it will cost to have them reprogram the controller.
Unless you are suggesting I pay them to tell me how much it will cost to
pay them?
> It's been my observation that Solectria seldom gives out anything,
> including
> advice, for free. I suspect that this is one reason that they're still in
> business (though now under different ownership).
>
> So, you may have more success if you call them and announce at the outset
> that you're interested in purchasing consulting time. Have your credit
> card
> ready as they'll want to open an account for you. What you pay will
> depend
> on what kind of consulting you need. I think last I heard the rates
> varied
> from $50 (or was it $35?) to around $100 per hour or fraction thereof,
> depending on who you needed to speak with. I might be recalling those
> amounts incorrectly.
>
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EV List Administrator
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Can anyone suggest a search string for Ebay to find a (cheap) main
contactor? Are there any specific types or make/model I can look for? Or
are there just too many to make this easy?
Thanks, MW.
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>
> Swedish chef-speak works for me, hopefully we're not the only ones on
> the list who remember the muppets... ;^>
>
> Have a great weekend,
>
> Roger.
Sorry, I just gotta do it...
Remember, you guys started it.
Try to get this out of your head.....
DO DO DO DO-BE-DO DO DO DO DO-BE-DO
I know what you'll be humming all day ;->
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Stay Charged!
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But if
> you are sometimes driving 650 miles a day, and carrying an extra 800 lbs,
> are you really going to be saving anything in the long run?
>
> Marty
>
I'm sure you have an ICE powered vehicle....
How much does carrying around 4 adult passengers (800 lbs) affect it's MPG?
In a dragster, weight plays an important part of the total vehicular equation.
In a "normal" vehicle not so much so. "WE" have a tendancy on this list to
"over-analyze" things. Take the discussion about bellypans for example; Do you
think it really matters which is lighter, cloroplast, aluminum, or
polyethelene. The three are so close it is a complete waste of time to even
consider their weight as a deciding factor.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting to load up your vehicle with dead weight
either, just don't get hung up on it.
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Stay Charged!
Hump
I-5, Blossvale NY
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