On 9/3/2013 10:54 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
*From:* meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
*To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 3, 2013 10:43 AM
*Subject:* Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?
On 9/3/2013 9:27 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Evolution did not go through all the trouble and to expend all the energy our species
expends on creating this sensation within ourselves – whether it is actually real or an
elaborate (and evolutionarily costly adaptation) to carefully create this deeply
layered and highly convincing illusion of free will within us – for no reason at all.
>>Of course it didn't. In order to avoid the impression of "free will" evolution would
have had to provide us with conscious perception of the working of our brain. This
would not only have been expensive in biological resources and totally unnecessary to
our survival, it would have posed the danger of entering do-loops.
I do not see how that follows. The brain could have simply worked, supplying us with
answers that we acted on robot like without questioning or contemplating how it arrived
in the first instance. Why couldn't we exist as intelligent automata, behaving
intelligently -- in any given generalized problem space -- without any inner life at
all. Why would evolution be required to provide us with a conscious perception of the
inner workings by which the brain arrived at whatever intelligent decision it arrived
at; which is what I think you are stating; please correct me if I am off the mark.
You are assuming that the brain has to *do something extra* to provide your inner life.
I'm saying probably not. If I constructed a robot that could act and learn just as a
human does, it would probably having similar feelings and "inner life". I think what you
refer to as "inner life" is the inner narration as your brain formulates its story of
what's happened so that it can be compared to what you expected. If it's unexpected you
can learn from it. If not it can safely be forgotten. My robot might use a similar
strategy for learning and so feel a similar "inner life".
Brent
Brent
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything
List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6634 - Release Date: 09/03/13
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything
List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
