On 30 October 2013 00:37, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Physics is what happens in the natural world due to natural processes. >> > >> > >> > That sentence should win some kind of prize for containing the most >> > logical >> > fallacies. >> >> I suppose you could say causes outside of the physical universe, such >> as God or top-down causation by consciousness, are part of nature and >> part of physics, but most people would not use these words this way. > > > From my view, there is no public physical universe that is not also private > physical experience. There is no unseen light, no unheard sound, to unfelt > bodies. To me, "outside the physical universe" means only a dream or > imagination, where what is felt is uncoupled from public effect. While we > dream, our body remains present in its inertial frame of animal experience, > but it has no perspective of its own. > > People's words are outdated. We have played out a hand that was picked > centuries ago by dead geniuses. Since then we have not had a chance to pause > and reassess what the strange new ideas of Einstein and Heisenberg really > mean when we look at the implications of them from the absolute perspective. > We have been playing with gigantic machines to study the fantastically > distant and tiny, but no matter how far we go, it increasingly doesn't make > sense when compared with our own experience, and it increasingly doesn't > make sense itself. > > Multisense Realism is a way to acknowledge that this has become a wild goose > chase, and posits that if we start over from scratch, it becomes more > sensible to see relativity as identical to perceived awareness, and all > physical forces naturally fall out of that awareness as elaboration of > sensory motive inertia. Two different feelers sharing the same feeling are > entangled. They are not particles but if a third feeler will feel a > particulate stimulation from them. Space and time might be created here, by > the disentanglement - the indifference and entropy which extends out in > response to the significance of making a difference with sense interaction. > > Craig Consciousness is not externally detectable. If it were, we would not be having these discussions: instead, we would wave the Consciousness Detector over the computer and read out the result. So if consciousness has top-down causal efficacy, that would mean an undetectable force caused matter to move. In experiments, that would look like a magical or supernatural effect. If you don't like the words "magical" or "supernatural" then use different words, but no such strange effects have been observed. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
