On Friday, February 14, 2014 5:19:01 AM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > On 14 February 2014 17:42, Russell Standish > <li...@hpcoders.com.au<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 04:23:00PM +1300, LizR wrote: >> > On 14 February 2014 15:40, Russell Standish >> > <li...@hpcoders.com.au<javascript:>> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > And it implies there was no reality before humans. >> > > >> > > If by "human" you mean observers in general, then yes - it does imply >> > > that. There is no reality without observers. >> > > >> > > What about the CMBR? When it was created there were (presumably) no >> > observers in existence in the universe. Are you saying it wouldn't >> exist if >> > we hadn't evolved to detect it (e.g. if humans hadn't evolved, or if we >> had >> > never invented radio telescopes) ? >> >> Yes - exactly. >> >> I do find that idea a bit mind boggling! >
It doesn't have to be an observer though, only that there is experience. As human animals, we experience ourselves as a participant and an observer because we are nested within a nervous system and then a body and then the world of that body. I don't see any scientific reason to rule out the idea of sensation without a sensor though, given pansensitivity, the idea of a sensor is part of the experience in which that idea is present. It's no more bizarre than assuming that observation can develop in a universe devoid of experience. All that we have to do is to sort of remove the "LET" statement from "LET X=" and begin directly with X as an experience rather than an experience OF X. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
