> On 15 Feb 2014, at 1:09 pm, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> On 2/14/2014 4:24 PM, Kim Jones wrote: >> >>> On 14 Feb 2014, at 3:42 pm, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote: >>> >>>>> What about the CMBR? When it was created there were (presumably) no >>>> observers in existence in the universe. Are you saying it wouldn't exist if >>>> we hadn't evolved to detect it (e.g. if humans hadn't evolved, or if we had >>>> never invented radio telescopes) ? >>> >>> Yes - exactly. >> >> >> >> A direct consequence of The Reversal. First comes Mind. Physics and matter >> and the 3D holographic farmyard are a long way down the road. >> I hope no one is assuming that it requires something as weird as a “human” >> to implement consciousness. >> Something as basic as a Boltzmann brain would be in principle, instantly >> possible in any universe, surely. > > > Of course Boltzmann brains are notoriously transient, so we're to think of > the universe (or at least pieces of past light cones) blinking in and out of > existence. Or does that take a Boltzmann brain plus optic nerves and eyes > and a Boltzmann telescope? > > Brent
A mind without a "hosting apparatus" is the entity I am struggling to describe. I have no trouble with the notion that consciousness can simply exist with no extra qualifiers whatsoever. We are talking about that which simply exists - when it exists, where it exists, its characteristics etc. are another story. I don't know whether such questions are even relevant. Kim > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
