On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 10:12 PM, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Telmo, some 2+ decades ago I think I had a reason to avert from the topic > called *panpsychism* (would be hard to recall it adequately now). > As I remember I called the phenomenon covered by this misnomer > PANSENSITIVITY (what I would not like to defend today anymore). Psych seems > to me too 'human' to be applicable to the entire world (=Mme. Nature). > Why would you reduce the MWI reflexibility into ourflimsy human > brainfunctions? > (Even i f you extend them into <human?> mentality total). > John, Maybe I used the term incorrectly. What I mean by panpsychism is that I suspect that consciousness is a fundamental property of reality and not generated at a higher level by neuron interactions. So I see no reason to assume that my tea cup is not conscious, although I suspect that the contents of its experience are null, so it's if it was. I don't see consciousness as inherent to human beings. I am fully convinced that higher animal, at least, are conscious just like us. Telmo. > > > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com>wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, <ghib...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: >>>> >>>> The machine: >>>> http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 >>>> >>>> Bad news from the doctor: >>>> http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 >>>> >>>> Turing test: >>>> http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Telmo. >>>> >>> >>> >>> So where do you stand on this Telmo? I suppose I've rather raised my >>> hopes that your answer, like mine, is not straight forward. >>> >> >> I have no explanation for consciousness. My current inclination is >> panpsychism. >> >> >>> Maybe just because I'm just lonely since Liz walked out on me...this >>> vague cloud of abstraction never seemed so cavernous when she was around, >>> her 70's punk echoing through the theory of nothing that - well you know >>> itt wasn't a theory, but maybe it wasn't nuthin' neither. >>> >> >> Hey, I like 70's punk rock too! >> >> >>> >>> Seriously, I saw a hint of scientific realism in something you said at >>> some point. Nearly vanished but managed to block my ears when you started >>> talking about consciousness not between the ears. Don't do that. >>> >> >> I believe that science is the only valid tool we have to understand >> public reality. If you have a good "consciousness between the ears" theory >> then... I'm all ears. Other theories are ok too. My position is that what >> makes a theory scientific is it's falsifiability, that's all. It doesn't >> matter how weird the theory sounds, it only matters if it makes valid >> predictions or not. Common sense has been shown to be misleading many >> times, and to an amazing degree with quantum mechanics. >> >> I am not sure that consciousness will ever be investigated by science, >> because I'm not sure it will ever be possible to measure it or test for >> it's presence. In this case (or meanwhile), we have to make do with thought >> experiments and introspection on private reality. >> >> Telmo. >> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
