On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:25 AM Dylan Distasio <interz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> While we may not know everything about explaining it, pain doesn't seem to > be that much of a mystery to me, and I don't consider it a symbol per se. > It seems obvious to me anyways that pain arose out of a very early neural > circuit as a survival mechanism. > But how? What was the biochemical or neural change that suddenly birthed the feeling of pain? I'm not asking you to know the details, just the principle - by what principle can a critter that comes into being with some modification of its organization start having a negative feeling when it didn't exist in its progenitors? This doesn't seem mysterious to you? Very early neural circuits are relatively easy to simulate, and I'm guessing some team has done this for the level of organization you're talking about. What you're saying, if I'm reading you correctly, is that that simulation feels pain. If so, how do you get that feeling of pain out of code? Terren > Pain is the feeling you experience when pain receptors detect an area of > the body is being damaged. It is ultimately based on a sensory input that > transmits to the brain via nerves where it is translated into a sensation > that tells you to avoid whatever is causing the pain if possible, or let's > you know you otherwise have a problem with your hardware. > > That said, I agree with you on LLMs for the most part, although I think > they are showing some potentially emergent, interesting behaviors. > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:58 AM Terren Suydam <terren.suy...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> Take a migraine headache - if that's just a symbol, then why does that >> symbol *feel* *bad* while others feel *good*? Why does any symbol feel >> like anything? If you say evolution did it, that doesn't actually answer >> the question, because evolution doesn't do anything except select for >> traits, roughly speaking. So it just pushes the question to: how did the >> subjective feeling of pain or pleasure emerge from some genetic mutation, >> when it wasn't there before? >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJrqPH90groRYAgFC0Tux3Y1G-yHZThDBCKaxk%2B3mxcbbKuyRw%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJrqPH90groRYAgFC0Tux3Y1G-yHZThDBCKaxk%2B3mxcbbKuyRw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMy3ZA9R_BDWiZvvGrA-8Tgx4kC7Syh29Z%3D_Jev09AJvOvknew%40mail.gmail.com.
