You could also set up factor as a local web server, and send bash requests
to it through a web page, and it would be able to accomplish them locally
(or remotely) and report you the results. It would be a quick round-trip
cycle with great feedback and the ability to bookmark commands.
On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 1:39 PM, <pet...@riseup.net> wrote:
> On 2017-01-29 16:20, John Benediktsson wrote:
> > It would be nice to improve startup time. I imagine some low hanging
> > fruits if we looked deeply into it. I'll make a note to get that on my
> > list, unless someone looks into it sooner.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 28, 2017, at 2:25 PM, pet...@riseup.net wrote:
> >>
> >> I spend a lot of time writing small scripts, often in bash. That is
> >> becoming a more and more painful task as bash is a nice-enough
> >> language
> >> on the first look but in the end it seems to go out of it's way to
> >> trip
> >> you up with every character you type. I don't mean to rant, I know
> >> it's
> >> an old language that has to keep a lot of backward compatibility and
> >> it
> >> actually still serves very well for what it was designed for, as long
> >> as
> >> your script stays <100 lines. Still, there's a lot to be desired.
> >>
> >> Factor is a cool language, it's very expressive, mature, has a lot of
> >> libraries and has all sorts of tricks up its sleaves to bend it to
> >> your
> >> will (much like lisp in that regard). It would be a fun experiment to
> >> write a library or EDSL (embedded DSL) for bash-like scripting.
> >> However
> >> there's a bone to be picked:
> >>
> >> $ time bash -c ''
> >> bash -c '' 0.00s user 0.00s system 94% cpu 0.004 total
> >>
> >> $ time factor-vm -e=''
> >> factor-vm -e='' 0.12s user 0.05s system 99% cpu 0.178 total
> >>
> >> I know one can create a custom image and maybe cut down on the startup
> >> a
> >> bit, but my question is - would it be possible to cut it down to
> >> bash's
> >> startup time *and* still have all the necessary vocabularies in it? I
> >> don't want to know the startup time with a small image that has like
> >> nothing in it, I can quickly test that myself. I'd need help to answer
> >> -
> >> if you imagine the use case I'm talking about, include all the vocabs
> >> that use case would need and make all other possible optimizations (if
> >> there are) without sacrificing too much, can the startup reach similar
> >> times?
> >>
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> Hi John,
>
> you think you can reach similar startup times? That would be really
> cool. I guess your todo list is rather long though.
>
> As a side note, are there other concatenative languages you know I could
> look at?
>
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