I did that and it's not a huge amount, maybe 10-20%. We need to profile and see what else it's doing. Like I said, low hanging fruit are aplenty.
> On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:37 AM, pet...@riseup.net wrote: > >> On 2017-02-01 00:19, John Benediktsson wrote: >> Part of the startup time is calling all of our "startup hooks", of >> which I >> have 35 right now in my Factor instance, in all of these vocabularies: >> >> { >> "alien" >> "destructors" >> "alien.strings" >> "io.backend" >> "source-files.errors" >> "compiler.units" >> "vocabs" >> "io.files" >> "vocabs.loader" >> "command-line" >> "threads" >> "cpu.x86.features" >> "io.thread" >> "core-foundation.run-loop" >> "environment" >> "io.backend.unix:signal-pipe-thread" >> "io.launcher" >> "random.unix" >> "bootstrap.random" >> "io.sockets:ipv6-supported?" >> "openssl" >> "tools.crossref" >> "cocoa" >> "io.files.temp" >> "tools.deprecation" >> "core-foundation" >> "vocabs.cache" >> "vocabs.refresh.monitor" >> "opengl.gl" >> "opengl" >> "ui" >> "core-text.fonts" >> "core-text" >> "tools.errors.model" >> "ui.tools.error-list" >> } >> >> I'm sure a lot of that could be delayed in smart ways to make startup >> time >> faster, that's what I meant by low hanging fruit, but also not >> something >> that anyone is working on right now. >> >> Best, >> John. >> >>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:40 PM, <pet...@riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2017-01-30 18:14, Timothy Hobbs wrote: >>>> If you are on linux, you might try this very new feature: >>>> https://criu.org/Main_Page >>>> >>>>> On 01/30/2017 17:29, Jim Mack wrote: >>>>> You could also set up factor as a local web server, and send bash >>>>> requests to it through a web page, and it would be able to accomplish >>>>> them locally (or remotely) and report you the results. It would be a >>>>> quick round-trip cycle with great feedback and the ability to bookmark >>>>> commands. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 1:39 PM, <pet...@riseup.net >>>>> <mailto:pet...@riseup.net>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2017-01-29 16:20, John Benediktsson wrote: >>>>>> It would be nice to improve startup time. I imagine some low >>>>> hanging >>>>>> fruits if we looked deeply into it. I'll make a note to get that >>>>> on my >>>>>> list, unless someone looks into it sooner. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 28, 2017, at 2:25 PM, pet...@riseup.net >>>>> <mailto:pet...@riseup.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I spend a lot of time writing small scripts, often in bash. >>>>> That is >>>>>>> becoming a more and more painful task as bash is a nice-enough >>>>>>> language >>>>>>> on the first look but in the end it seems to go out of it's way >>>>> to >>>>>>> trip >>>>>>> you up with every character you type. I don't mean to rant, I >>>>> know >>>>>>> it's >>>>>>> an old language that has to keep a lot of backward >>>>> compatibility and >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> actually still serves very well for what it was designed for, >>>>> as long >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> your script stays <100 lines. Still, there's a lot to be >>>>> desired. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Factor is a cool language, it's very expressive, mature, has a >>>>> lot of >>>>>>> libraries and has all sorts of tricks up its sleaves to bend it >>>>> to >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> will (much like lisp in that regard). It would be a fun >>>>> experiment to >>>>>>> write a library or EDSL (embedded DSL) for bash-like scripting. >>>>>>> However >>>>>>> there's a bone to be picked: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> $ time bash -c '' >>>>>>> bash -c '' 0.00s user 0.00s system 94% cpu 0.004 total >>>>>>> >>>>>>> $ time factor-vm -e='' >>>>>>> factor-vm -e='' 0.12s user 0.05s system 99% cpu 0.178 total >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know one can create a custom image and maybe cut down on the >>>>> startup >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> bit, but my question is - would it be possible to cut it down >>>>> to >>>>>>> bash's >>>>>>> startup time *and* still have all the necessary vocabularies in >>>>> it? I >>>>>>> don't want to know the startup time with a small image that has >>>>> like >>>>>>> nothing in it, I can quickly test that myself. I'd need help to >>>>> answer >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> if you imagine the use case I'm talking about, include all the >>>>> vocabs >>>>>>> that use case would need and make all other possible >>>>> optimizations (if >>>>>>> there are) without sacrificing too much, can the startup reach >>>>> similar >>>>>>> times? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Peter Nagy >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------ >>>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>>> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>>> <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------ >>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>>> <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> >>>>> >>>>> Hi John, >>>>> >>>>> you think you can reach similar startup times? That would be >>>>> really >>>>> cool. I guess your todo list is rather long though. >>>>> >>>>> As a side note, are there other concatenative languages you know I >>>>> could >>>>> look at? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Peter Nagy >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------ >>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>>> <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------ >>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------ >>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >>> Thanks for the interesting links/ideas :) >>> >>> -- >>> ------------ >>> Peter Nagy >>> ------------ >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------ >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > Is there any dumb way for me to test what would the startup time be have > I removed all the hooks? 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