Part of the startup time is calling all of our "startup hooks", of which I
have 35 right now in my Factor instance, in all of these vocabularies:
{
"alien"
"destructors"
"alien.strings"
"io.backend"
"source-files.errors"
"compiler.units"
"vocabs"
"io.files"
"vocabs.loader"
"command-line"
"threads"
"cpu.x86.features"
"io.thread"
"core-foundation.run-loop"
"environment"
"io.backend.unix:signal-pipe-thread"
"io.launcher"
"random.unix"
"bootstrap.random"
"io.sockets:ipv6-supported?"
"openssl"
"tools.crossref"
"cocoa"
"io.files.temp"
"tools.deprecation"
"core-foundation"
"vocabs.cache"
"vocabs.refresh.monitor"
"opengl.gl"
"opengl"
"ui"
"core-text.fonts"
"core-text"
"tools.errors.model"
"ui.tools.error-list"
}
I'm sure a lot of that could be delayed in smart ways to make startup time
faster, that's what I meant by low hanging fruit, but also not something
that anyone is working on right now.
Best,
John.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:40 PM, <pet...@riseup.net> wrote:
> On 2017-01-30 18:14, Timothy Hobbs wrote:
> > If you are on linux, you might try this very new feature:
> > https://criu.org/Main_Page
> >
> > On 01/30/2017 17:29, Jim Mack wrote:
> >> You could also set up factor as a local web server, and send bash
> >> requests to it through a web page, and it would be able to accomplish
> >> them locally (or remotely) and report you the results. It would be a
> >> quick round-trip cycle with great feedback and the ability to bookmark
> >> commands.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 1:39 PM, <pet...@riseup.net
> >> <mailto:pet...@riseup.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2017-01-29 16:20, John Benediktsson wrote:
> >> > It would be nice to improve startup time. I imagine some low
> >> hanging
> >> > fruits if we looked deeply into it. I'll make a note to get that
> >> on my
> >> > list, unless someone looks into it sooner.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On Jan 28, 2017, at 2:25 PM, pet...@riseup.net
> >> <mailto:pet...@riseup.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I spend a lot of time writing small scripts, often in bash.
> >> That is
> >> >> becoming a more and more painful task as bash is a nice-enough
> >> >> language
> >> >> on the first look but in the end it seems to go out of it's way
> >> to
> >> >> trip
> >> >> you up with every character you type. I don't mean to rant, I
> >> know
> >> >> it's
> >> >> an old language that has to keep a lot of backward
> >> compatibility and
> >> >> it
> >> >> actually still serves very well for what it was designed for,
> >> as long
> >> >> as
> >> >> your script stays <100 lines. Still, there's a lot to be
> >> desired.
> >> >>
> >> >> Factor is a cool language, it's very expressive, mature, has a
> >> lot of
> >> >> libraries and has all sorts of tricks up its sleaves to bend it
> >> to
> >> >> your
> >> >> will (much like lisp in that regard). It would be a fun
> >> experiment to
> >> >> write a library or EDSL (embedded DSL) for bash-like scripting.
> >> >> However
> >> >> there's a bone to be picked:
> >> >>
> >> >> $ time bash -c ''
> >> >> bash -c '' 0.00s user 0.00s system 94% cpu 0.004 total
> >> >>
> >> >> $ time factor-vm -e=''
> >> >> factor-vm -e='' 0.12s user 0.05s system 99% cpu 0.178 total
> >> >>
> >> >> I know one can create a custom image and maybe cut down on the
> >> startup
> >> >> a
> >> >> bit, but my question is - would it be possible to cut it down
> >> to
> >> >> bash's
> >> >> startup time *and* still have all the necessary vocabularies in
> >> it? I
> >> >> don't want to know the startup time with a small image that has
> >> like
> >> >> nothing in it, I can quickly test that myself. I'd need help to
> >> answer
> >> >> -
> >> >> if you imagine the use case I'm talking about, include all the
> >> vocabs
> >> >> that use case would need and make all other possible
> >> optimizations (if
> >> >> there are) without sacrificing too much, can the startup reach
> >> similar
> >> >> times?
> >> >>
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> >> Hi John,
> >>
> >> you think you can reach similar startup times? That would be
> >> really
> >> cool. I guess your todo list is rather long though.
> >>
> >> As a side note, are there other concatenative languages you know I
> >> could
> >> look at?
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