But you miss my point, which is that you *can* say with the Catholic rosary, that "we're giving you all the salutary effects but none of the religious stuff." I don't have to believe in Jesus and Mary and a Heavenly Father to say those prayers. They're just words. They're essentially just sounds, you don't have to attribute any meaning to them. And if you don't know the english language, all the better, because that way you won't even be distracted by the meaning behind the prayers that the people who do know english and do practice Catholicism say they mean.
It's exactly the same. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jst...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <reavismarek@> wrote: > > > > IMO, I would expect that someone saying the rosary > > (essentially a collection of "hail marys" and "our > > fathers") would be getting many of the same (if not > > all) of the salutory effects of TM. > > Could be, but that's irrelevant to my point, which > was that with the rosary, you couldn't say, as you can > with TM, "We're giving you the part that has all the > salutary effects but none of the religious stuff." > > It's not parallel, in other words. > > > I'm not debating the merits of the respective practices, but the analysis > under the federal Constitution, if such a practice would be lawful under the > separation of church and state. > > > > Similar to teaching TM in the public schools, it would not be allowed. > > > > I like the separation doctrine, and agree with it. That principle is more > > important to me than teaching this form of meditation to public school > > students. > > > > ** > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <reavismarek@> wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > If the saying of the Catholic rosary had provable, > > > > scientifically veriafiable effects on student's > > > > attitudes and grades, would that justify teaching > > > > it or having the students practice it at school? > > > > > > With the rosary, would you be able to say, "We're > > > just giving you the part that has scientifically > > > verifiable effects and none of the religious stuff"? > > > > > >
