--And you live where? New Delhi? Please explain why you believe these people are Enlightened. Did they make a claim to this? (which would be OK, if so that could simply be a factual statement; or it could be am empty boast). Do these individuals practice TM? If so, then at least temporarily, they had a Guru!.
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gordon Grobelny, Loralin Tomlin, Krista Fisher, Mary Kaminski, Richard Spang ... these are just off the top of my head, people living within 15 miles of me. > > > matrixmonitor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --Let the buyer beware. It's our responsibility, which becomes > skilled in the light of additional direct experience: IMO the more > Gurus the better. This provides an insurance plan against getting > duped by any possible charlatans; but more important, in all > likelihood, the vast majority of Gurus (unless ouright phonies); have > SOMETHING to offer that might be of value; in which case it's our > responsibility to separate the wheat from the chaff. > Example: Once Baba Ram Dass (Dr. Richard Alpert) was on the radio in > the 70's commenting on MMY. His conclusion was that what MMY had to > offer was of no value because (in Ram Dass's opinion), he seemed to > be "attached" to money. So what, even if this were true (actually, > from a Spiritual perspective this would be impossible - a topic > covered recently; the outer exhibition is another story reserved for > later discussion). But what does this have to do with TM as a > technique?. So, in a relative sense nobody's perfect. See the > benefits in anything/everything, and discard what's useless. > So, you believe that people can get Enlightened without a Guru. OK, > name one such person. That's your challenge for today. > > - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter <brontebaxter8@> > wrote: > > > > Bronte: > > My friend, what should I call you? I can't pronounce your web > name -- so, "friend": Thanks for this observation, and I agree: > learning to play an instrument is often easier with a teacher, but > not always. And teachers are not essential, although most gurus will > tell you that they are. It's one thing to say "I'm a great real > estate agent and will help you sell your house if you like" versus > saying "You will never sell your house without my help, you poor > miserable schlep." The latter being analogous to most gurus are > saying. And I'll continue to gripe about that kind of manipulation. > > > > > > --So which approach is easier, with, or without a teacher? (in > > generaly, don't talk about isolated exceptions). In advance, let's > take > > care of one exception: HWL Poonja. He states that in his last > > incarnation (prior to being "HWL Poonja"...died in the 90's), he > was an > > advanced Krishna-bhakti Yogi. Then as Poonja in the course of his > > travels as an engineer, he happens to get an urge to visit Ramana > > Maharshi in his cave. Poonja tells RM about his many visions of > > Krishna, and RM asks, "Are you having a vision right now?". Then > after > > a few more leading questions RM in essence tells Poonja > he's "already" > > Enlightened. Poonja "got it" and became Enlightened on the spot. > > But then, RM was a teacher, wasn't he? > > > > In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bronte Baxter > <brontebaxter8@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > ---Sure, one can get Enlightened without a Guru; likewise, one > can > > > learn how to play the violin without a teacher. (as Borak would > > > say...."NOT" !). > > > > > > > > > Bronte: > > > Curious, I know lots of people who've taught themselves musical > > instruments. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not > web links. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. >
