OdoBan is available at Sam's and some WalMarts. I can't say enough good about it. I prefer the vingar and water for regular cleaning. It is safe and fairly inexpensive. Google it ... the number of uses and products it can replace is amazing.
On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Natalie wrote:

I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has been
hyped...doesn't work so well.  I like" 0-Odor" (Zero Odor), and "What
Odor?", and Professor Amos' "RIGHT AWAY" - all safe for animals. I've tried
spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell
away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after I've scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a lot
longer.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM
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It works great and so does OdoBan.
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:

hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.





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From: Natalie <at...@optonline.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

If you have "pissy cats", as I do, I found that the best cleaner is
a 50/50
white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all
surfaces with
it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and
environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a
1,000
great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Melinda,
I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the
city away

from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the
street,
small
patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is
rather
small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the
patio) as
they
have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if
I'm
outside
and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can
get out
easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.
2 of
them
if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive...
well one

meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and
one is
half
feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but
she's
adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to
find
her.

When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I
close
them
in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...

Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room
is the
garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him.
Call him
at
intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up
on and I
noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly
because
he's
so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing
the door.
Had
to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I
followed
him
out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while
prior to
taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual
"walks"
like
a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from
where he's
going
and if I call him back.

There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+
Angel
(who
is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just
visit the
outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before
so once
he
took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady
and then
took
him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow
he got
it
and that was the last time he chased him.

They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure
out what
you
want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants
to
please
you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but
it's so
sad
that they would be made to feel that way.

Paola




________________________________
From: Melinda Kerr <msk...@me.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild
animals, most
strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped)
and the

likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with
another
cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought them from the
states
and
have already had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let
out.
The
speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour
(about
25
mph.)  I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she
goes
outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have
done since
she
got sick.  However, if she occasionally manages to escape my
clutches, I
won't
worry too much!  She stays pretty close and always comes home in a
couple of

hours.  I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and
happy.


Thanks again for your input and concern.

Melinda and  Fuji
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