Cari Tutti, per com-prendere l'esistenza e la conoscenza esiste un'unica legge: quella dell'informazione. Materia, energia, spazio, tempo, etc., non sono altro che informazione materiale, informazione energetica, informazione spaziale, informazione temporale, etc. Sono pervenuto anch'io (ma non siamo in molti) a questa non definitiva o non immutabile conclusione attraverso l'elaborazione della NUOVA ECONOMIA della conoscenza o la conoscenza della NUOVA ECONOMIA contenuta in tanti miei libri e ultimamente in: "Una nuova avventura tra l'idolatria del denaro e lo spirito dell'amore con com-passione o viscerale emo-ra-zionalità", Aracne editrice, Roma, 2017. Sono stato sempre consapevole di essere un "poverino esponenziale", ma con la mia tenace volontà e non smettendo mai la mia attività di ricerca e di studio ho com-preso ciò che sembra(va) in-com-prensibile, ma niente è incomprensibile a questo mondo basta avere un'immaginazione creativa e non poca umiltà. Un abbraccio. Francesco Rizzo
2017-09-16 13:50 GMT+02:00 Mark Johnson <johnsonm...@gmail.com>: > Dear Arturo, all, > > First of all, thank you to Pedro for exciting the list again - I was > missing it! > > I have sympathy with Arturo's position, not because I am a > mathematician (I'm not), but because I get tired of the "posturing" > that qualitative positions produce among academics. I work in > education, and education theory is full of this. Chomsky had a go at > Zizek and much postmodern social theory for this very reason: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVBOtxCfan0. He's got a point hasn't > he? > > One of the exciting aspects of quantum mechanics is that some of what > we intuitively know about social life seems to be mirrored in the > quantum world and is expressible in mathematics. That this has some > empirical foundation upon which scientists can agree presents the > prospect of a deeper rethinking of a logic which might encompass a > broader spectrum of life and lived experience. This is not a new > dream: it is very similar to aims of the early cyberneticians who met > in the Macy hotel in the late 1940s. > > However, progress towards this is hampered by a number of things. > 1. The splits between classical mechanics and quantum mechanics, and > between quantum mechanics and relativity seem to arise from > irreconcilable originating perspectives. A colleague of mine at > Liverpool, Peter Rowlands has been hammering away at this for over 30 > years (see https://www.amazon.co.uk/Foundations-Physical-Law- > Peter-Rowlands/dp/9814618373/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8& > qid=1505562032&sr=1-1&keywords=peter+rowlands+physical+law), > establishing a coherent mathematical description which unites > classical and quantum mechanics - but of course, such attempts often > meet with incomprehension by the physics community who have > established careers on the back of existing paradigms. There is a > human problem in addressing the physics problem! > > 2. The nature of mathematics and number itself is a question. It's a > very ancient question - I was delighted and surprised to learn that > John Duns Scotus worked out a logic of "superposition" in the 13th > century (he called it "synchronic contingency") see > https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philosophy-John-Duns-Scotus/dp/0748624627. > Maths is a discourse, like physics and sociology. If there wasn't > coordination between mathematicians about the symbols they use and > their meaning, there would be no maths. Curiously, neither would there > be maths if all the mathematicians in world perfectly agree on all > symbols and meaning! (there'd be nothing to talk about). > > 3. given point 2, to put maths before information is to invite the > challenge that maths is information (as discourse), and without > information there is no maths! > > However, can we do better than "posturing". Yes, I think we can, and > this may well involve new empirical practices, but this requires a new > shared perspective. Maybe our approaching quantum computers will give > us this by making the weirdness of superposition, entanglements and > the inherent dynamic symmetry of the quantum world part of everyday > life... > > Best wishes, > > Mark > > On 15 September 2017 at 14:16, tozziart...@libero.it > <tozziart...@libero.it> wrote: > > Dear FISers, > > I'm sorry for bothering you, > > but I start not to agree from the very first principles. > > > > The only language able to describe and quantify scientific issues is > > mathematics. > > Without math, you do not have observables, and information is observable. > > Therefore, information IS energy or matter, and can be examined through > > entropies (such as., e.g., the Bekenstein-Hawking one). > > > > And, please, colleagues, do not start to write that information is > > subjective and it depends on the observer's mind. This issue has been > > already tackled by the math of physics: science already predicts that > > information can be "subjective", in the MATHEMATICAL frameworks of both > > relativity and quantum dynamics' Copenhagen interpretation. > > Therefore, the subjectivity of information is clearly framed in a TOTALLY > > physical context of matter and energy. > > > > Sorry for my polemic ideas, but, if you continue to define information on > > the basis of qualitative (and not quantitative) science, information > becomes > > metaphysics, or sociology, or psychology (i.e., branches with doubtful > > possibility of achieving knowledge, due to their current lack of math). > > > > > > Arturo Tozzi > > > > AA Professor Physics, University North Texas > > > > Pediatrician ASL Na2Nord, Italy > > > > Comput Intell Lab, University Manitoba > > > > http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/ > > > > > > > > ----Messaggio originale---- > > Da: "Pedro C. Marijuan" <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> > > Data: 15/09/2017 14.13 > > A: "fis"<fis@listas.unizar.es> > > Ogg: [Fis] PRINCIPLES OF IS > > > > Dear FIS Colleagues, > > > > As promised herewith the "10 principles of information science". A > couple of > > previous comments may be in order. > > First, what is in general the role of principles in science? I was > motivated > > by the unfinished work of philosopher Ortega y Gasset, "The idea of > > principle in Leibniz and the evolution of deductive theory" (posthumously > > published in 1958). Our tentative information science seems to be very > > different from other sciences, rather multifarious in appearance and > > concepts, and cavalierly moving from scale to scale. What could be the > > specific role of principles herein? Rather than opening homogeneous > realms > > for conceptual development, these information principles would appear as > a > > sort of "portals" that connect with essential topics of other > disciplines in > > the different organization layers, but at the same time they should try > to > > be consistent with each other and provide a coherent vision of the > > information world. > > And second, about organizing the present discussion, I bet I was too > > optimistic with the commentators scheme. In any case, for having a first > > glance on the whole scheme, the opinions of philosophers would be very > > interesting. In order to warm up the discussion, may I ask John Collier, > > Joseph Brenner and Rafael Capurro to send some initial comments / > > criticisms? Later on, if the commentators idea flies, Koichiro Matsuno > and > > Wolfgang Hofkirchner would be very valuable voices to put a perspectival > end > > to this info principles discussion (both attended the Madrid bygone FIS > 1994 > > conference)... > > But this is FIS list, unpredictable in between the frozen states and the > > chaotic states! So, everybody is invited to get ahead at his own, with > the > > only customary limitation of two messages per week. > > > > Best wishes, have a good weekend --Pedro > > > > 10 PRINCIPLES OF INFORMATION SCIENCE > > > > 1. Information is information, neither matter nor energy. > > > > 2. Information is comprehended into structures, patterns, messages, or > > flows. > > > > 3. Information can be recognized, can be measured, and can be processed > > (either computationally or non-computationally). > > > > 4. Information flows are essential organizers of life's self-production > > processes--anticipating, shaping, and mixing up with the accompanying > energy > > flows. > > > > 5. Communication/information exchanges among adaptive life-cycles > underlie > > the complexity of biological organizations at all scales. > > > > 6. It is symbolic language what conveys the essential communication > > exchanges of the human species--and constitutes the core of its "social > > nature." > > > > 7. Human information may be systematically converted into efficient > > knowledge, by following the "knowledge instinct" and further up by > applying > > rigorous methodologies. > > > > 8. Human cognitive limitations on knowledge accumulation are partially > > overcome via the social organization of "knowledge ecologies." > > > > 9. Knowledge circulates and recombines socially, in a continuous > > actualization that involves "creative destruction" of fields and > > disciplines: the intellectual Ars Magna. > > > > 10. Information science proposes a new, radical vision on the information > > and knowledge flows that support individual lives, with profound > > consequences for scientific-philosophical practice and for social > > governance. > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Pedro C. Marijuán > > Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group > > Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud > > Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) > > Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta 0 > > 50009 Zaragoza, Spain > > Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818) > > pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es > > http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fis mailing list > > Fis@listas.unizar.es > > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > > > > -- > Dr. Mark William Johnson > Centre for Educational Development and Support > Faculty of Health and Life Sciences > University of Liverpool > > Phone: 07786 064505 > Email: johnsonm...@gmail.com > Blog: http://dailyimprovisation.blogspot.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis >
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