On 1/22/2012 5:11 PM, Julian Leviston wrote:
On 23/01/2012, at 8:26 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
Below.
On Jan 21, 2012, at 6:26 PM, BGB<cr88...@gmail.com> wrote:
like, for example, if a musician wanted to pursue various musical forms. say, for example: a dubstep backbeat combined
with rap-style lyrics sung using a death-metal voice or similar, without "the man" (producers, ...) demanding
all the time that they get a new album together (or that their fans and "the man" expect them to stay with
their existing sound and theme), and if they just gave them something which was like "and so wub-wub-wub, goes the
sub-sub-sub, as the lights go blim-blim-blim, as shorty goes rub-run-run, on my hub-hub-hub, as my rims go
spin-spin-spin" or something... (all sung in deep growls and roars), at which point maybe the producers would be
very unhappy (say, if he was hired on to be part of a tween-pop boy-band, and adolescent females may respond poorly to
bass-filled "wubbing growl-rap", or something...).
or such...
This is probably the raddest metaphor that I have ever seen on a mailing list.
BGB FTW!
P.S.
If you want to get this song out the door, I'm totally in. Dubsteprapmetal
might be the next big thing. I can do everything except the drums. We should
write an elegant language for expressing musical score in OMeta and use a
simulated orchestra!
Oh come on, Dub Step Rap Metal has been done before... Korn is basically what
that is... Just because you're not CALLING it dubstep doesn't mean it doesn't
have the dubstep feel.
I was more giving it as an example of basically wanting to do one thing
while being obligated (due to prior work) to do something very different.
say, if a musician (or scientist/programmer/...) has an established
audience, and is expected to produce "more of the same", they may have
less personal freedom to explore other alternatives (and doing so may
alienate many of their fans). an real-life example being, for example,
Metallica incorporating a lot of Country Western elements.
in the example, the idea is that the producers may know full well that
if their promoted boy-band suddenly released an album containing lots of
bass and growling (rather than dancing around on stage being
pretty-boys) then the audience of teenage girls might be like "what the
hell is this?" and become disillusioned with the band (costing the
producers a pile of money).
this does not necessarily mean that an idea is fundamentally new or
original though.
Interesting, also, that you chose dubstep here, because that's a genre that's been basically
"raped" in a similar way to what has been done to the ideas in object-orientism in
order to get it into the mainstream :) People think dubstep is just a wobble bass... but it's
actually more about the feel of the dub break...<shrug>
possibly. I encountered some amount of it before, which ranged between
"pretty cool" and "simplistic and actually kind of sucks" (take
whatever, put a pile of bass on it, call it good enough...).
some of it has just been the "wub-wub-wub" part with pretty much nothing
else going on.
I had briefly experimented (I am not really a musician, just tinkered
some) with trying to combine the "wub-wub-wub" part with a beat
(apparently, someone else thought it sounded more like techno or
industrial). I did tests trying to sing (poorly) doing both rap-style
and growl-voice lyrics (in both cases about matters of programming), but
didn't try combining them at the time as this would have been physically
difficult (both require some level of physical effort, and I also have
little personal interest either in the "rough-tough thug from da hood"
or the "gloom and doom and corpses" images traditionally associated with
the two lyrical styles). (actually, I partly vaguely remember "rap" in
the form of "MC Hammer" and Vanilla Ice and similar, from before the
days of "thugz from da hood", although this is stuff from very long
ago... although the attempts I made had more stylistically in common
with the latter, than with "MC Hammer" and similar, which were more
closer to actually singing the lyrics, rather than saying lots of
rhyming-words to a fixed beat, ...).
my own musical interests have mostly been things like
house/trance/industrial/... and similar...
I don't really have either instruments or any real skill with
instruments, so what tests I had done had been purely on my computer
(mostly using Audacity and similar, in this case). some past experiments
had involved using tweaks to a custom written MIDI synthesizer (which
allows, among other things, using arbitrary sound-effects as patches),
however I haven't as-of-yet devised a "good" way to express non-trivial
patterns in the MIDI command-language, leaving it as slightly less
effort to just use multi-track sound-editing instead...
but, I have little intention at the moment of doing much of anything
really "serious" with regards to musical stuff... (later? who knows,
just for now this is a bit too much of a novelty area).
much like, I am a programmer, and I also do some basic level of graphic
arts, but have little motivation to consider being an artist instead (I
suspect I get much more personal enjoyment over tinkering around with
technical matters).
or such...
Julian
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