it is because of references like these that I like to lurk on lists  
like this one.

thank you,

Joost.


On Dec 30, 2007, at 1:11 AM, Russell Standish wrote:

> From what I
> understand, things like the SCL artificial chemistry (which is
> definitely a type of machine) is closed to efficient causation in
> Rosen's sense,



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account of these marvels that you do not set up for yourself
as a standard human intellectual pride, but rather the great
size and vastness of earth and sky; and, comparing with
that Infinity these slender shadows in which miserably and
anxiously we are enveloped, you will easily know that I have
related nothing which is beyond belief.”
(Girolamo Cardano)

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