I feel like what we really need are wet computers
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_computing> ... we have all this
peri-computation going on around us all over the place, in cells, chemistry, protein
morphogenesis, etc. But we're just so ignorant and ham-handed w.r.t. that
computation, we have to plow it down and and pave it over with our own conception of
computing ... like some myopic 18th century biological control strategy.
I mean... I guess we're getting there. But. It's. Soooo. Sloooow.
On 3/28/24 12:51, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Way offshore in some cases, but also deep. Maybe the underwater mass could
help hold the platform in place?
https://www.aegirinsights.com/offshore-wind-in-california-faces-four-main-challenges-depth-waves-ports-and-grid-connection
<https://www.aegirinsights.com/offshore-wind-in-california-faces-four-main-challenges-depth-waves-ports-and-grid-connection>
The moon idea reminds me of this center:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Region_Supercomputing_Center
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Region_Supercomputing_Center>
*From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen
<geprope...@gmail.com>
*Date: *Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 10:33 AM
*To: *friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com>
*Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity
Bandwidth might be a problem. But the dark side of the moon seems like an option ...
assuming you can negotiate with the aliens that live over there. The best thing about
coral is you don't have to negotiate for their "land". You can just take it and
let them die like the stupid little creatures they are.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/22/asia/south-china-sea-philippines-coral-reef-damage-intl-hnk/index.html
<https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/22/asia/south-china-sea-philippines-coral-reef-damage-intl-hnk/index.html>
On 3/28/24 10:17, Marcus Daniels wrote:
It's not really my thing, but I noticed there were several very large exhibits
at Supercomputing 23 for cooling technology. Even immersive cooling
solutions. I think that could be improved a lot. Without superconducting
processors, I don't see how energy use can be dramatically reduced though. For
that there will just need to be new generation. Could put these near large
off short windfarms..
https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/china-deploys-1400-ton-commercial-underwater-data-center/
<https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/china-deploys-1400-ton-commercial-underwater-data-center/>
I suppose there are some that would say gentrification is genocide -- a slow
coerced displacement.
-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 9:49 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity
Maybe. But way before that happens, it will(has) force(d) the disaffected
(people, animals, plants) of any such region to die, move, or adapt.
In the Gaza kerfuffle, I've heard some describe coerced displacement as "genocide". I guess the more
reasonble term is ethnic cleansing. The settlers seem mostly fine with their ethnic cleansing agenda. But, by
analogy, how would we describe the coercive adaptation put upon a region by a massive water-sucking data center?
Biology cleansing? If there really were an AI, would they worry about the forced displacement caused by their
silicon incubators? ... or maybe "incubator" isn't a good word. How about "galls":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall> Yeah, that might be a good analogy.
The machines are parasitic. They hijack the iDNA (information generators) of the local biology to form galls within
which they grow and thrive.
On 3/28/24 07:51, Marcus Daniels wrote:
It will force innovation on energy-efficient microarchitecture (e.g. Groq) and
on renewable power generation near data centers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 7:09 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity
As we frivolously replace meatspace conversation with obsequious chatbots, the
world burns.
The industry more damaging to the environment than airlines
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/05/30/silicon-valley-data-giants-net-zero-sustainability-risk/
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/05/30/silicon-valley-data-giants-net-zero-sustainability-risk/>
https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/civil-engineering-magazine/issues/magazine-issue/article/2024/03/engineers-often-need-a-lot-of-water-to-keep-data-centers-cool
<https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/civil-engineering-magazine/issues/magazine-issue/article/2024/03/engineers-often-need-a-lot-of-water-to-keep-data-centers-cool>
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