JCP has a more conceptual work, defining patterns and standards, while ASF has a more "hands on" to implement JSRS.
It is the biz of JCP define what ASF is to do, while is about ASF know HOW to do it.
Sun needs to keep some order in Java comunity, and that´s why JCP exists under her flag. ASF, in contrast is completely free, having no Boss, but ourselves.
Naturally, ASF´s process is much ligther in terms of burocracy focusing in real world implementation of some spec defined. (specs are aways specs...hard to define, hard to rollback, better, no rollback, just a deprecated javadoc tag. Have you seen a refactoring in a JSR before? :-) )
things are working this way, and I think they should be kept this way.
Sorry if this hurted someone, but my english is not so rich as I wished, to express my ideas.
regards, Paulo.
From: "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Jakarta embracing the JCP? Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:44:32 -0500
> How about if Jakarta [or Apache-Java as a whole] embraced the latest JCP > process?
In what way? Can you be specific? As I understand the JCP, what you are asking makes little sense.
We don't have "spec leads", nor do we want them. We don't have ownership of
a project/specification. Everything here is communal and consensual. That
is not true of the JCP. Actually, I would prefer to see the JCP continue to
evolve to become more like the ASF.
> What I'm largely interested in are the reasons why not, as these would be
> perfect reasons why something like groovy, or ant or httpclient, should
> not become jsr's.
A JSR is a specification. It should have a TCK and an RI, but at heart it is a specification. Some people have talked about proposing the Apache Repository Specification, which I understand Maven will evolve to use, as a JSR. If that happened, I'd prefer to see us run a JCP Expert Group more in line with an ASF project, not run ASF projects like an JCP Expert Group.
Geir? Your thoughts?
--- Noel
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