Hi, <sorry list readers, I'm kinda enjoying this>
1) I don't insult people to the degree you do, aside from calling the cluess newbies and even then only very very rarely. You are the second time since 1994. 2) I never, ever, threaten people, especially in a public forum. 3) Yes, I am making a profit from other peoples work (in this case, not Craig's work since we dont' actually use it for clients). 4) ALL of the work I do is released as a GPL product for others to prosper by. I do this because I believe in the OpenSource method. 5) If you have any reasonable knowledge of Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, BEOS, etc, none of these utilities are hard or difficult to install. On a well maintained system, a make, make install, edit a few config files and voila, it's up and running. If you are used to windows point-and-click, then yes, you might have some problems. If you learn from your attempts though, you will be a much better SysAdmin in the long run, no matter if it's for a Linux system or a Windows system. 6) Dissing myself and Craig in a public forum for calling you out for what you are just proves my point that you aren't ready for Linux yet. This isn't meant as a flame on your abilities, but if you are having so many problems installing a simple piece of software like gnudip2, perhaps you should sit back and reflect on what OS you really want to maintain. Linux is not for the faint of heart or those wishing an easy solution (well, not yet anyways, some of us are working on it). 7) Comparing Linux to an airline or restaurant is silly. Linux is not and probably never will be at the same level of easy intergration as Windows et al. It's the choice of the Linux community. Easy script installs, automated tasks etc lead to lazy admins which lead to the problems you see today on Windows machines, with virus's (viri ?) and trojan horses running wild because the Admin's just follow the default install's and don't complete the installation themselves. 8) Your comment "THE BIGGEST ENEMY OF GOOD PEOPLE IS THEIR OWN BENEVOLENCE." is completely false IMHO. If someone is making a profit using one of my programs and wants 5 minutes of my time to help them fix a problem it's free. If they want 2 days consulting to do something extra, hey, they get charged. If it's a school or community site, well if I have the time they get it for free. And guess what... All those changes get put back into the product and make it better. 9) Just a weird comment on GPL and Opensource... I'd never attempt to make a living doing just opensource programming. I own an ISP and run a second business designing some neat in-house hardware (e-mail me if you are interested, should be out in sept/oct in the $300 USD price range and it will be a fully functional Linux computer with dual NIC's and all the other goodies including sub 6 second boot time...) but I'd never move to straight GPL work. The money is not there. Since I do use GPL programs day to day (Bind, MySQL, PHP, Apache, Qmail (ok, no GPL but close), Sendmail, perl, etc) I feel a need to give something back to the community. Sure there are some folks that don't or won't, but word gets around and they receive little, if any, help from the developers. 10) I'm not sure what your problem is, or if you even bothered to read this far, but I think you should probably relax and have a night off. 11) It's been fun but this is the last post I'll make in response to any of your posts. But it has been fun.. :) </sorry> Regards, Rick PS apologies to the list... Craig feel free to kick me if need be but I won't be responding again to him. His attitude just peeve's me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Endre Palfi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [GnuDIP] Contribute or Get Lost Thanks for your input and for your generosity for ripping off people with good kind hearts while earning a substantial profit yourself. If you started to talk on my behalf in this cunning manner I would shove my foot so far up your ass that you would be shining it when you wipe your face. I don't blame others for my shortcomings. I was explaining how to make linux products, most of them which are ridiculously difficult to install and configure, better so they would have more value in the marketplace. What you just said about my willingness to learn is incorrect, there is nothing wrong with my willingness to learn. In fact I am pretty knowledgeable and self-educated. People don't need to know how to fly the airplane which they use to visit their relatives, or to cook the meal they eat in restaurants, or to how to make the shoe they wear, and so on. At the time when we tried integrating this product we would have been happy to pay a few hundred bucks for it instead of agonizing on begging Craig for free support. If the linux guys knew how to make good products they wouldn't have to provide free support and they could easily ask for a reasonable sum of money for their wares. Lastly which relates to what you said and how you were spinning my opinion to land on Craig's side, so he would continue his mindless giving while you use his work for profits. I know that linux guys are kind and have good hearts. I am a hybrid. I work in both linux and windows environments, and I appreciate the effort that both teams put in to turn out products. I also know that there are greedy people who rip them off by using their wares for profit while using cunning remarkt so make them believe that they need to provide free support. To anyone who is reading this stuff and feels that I expressed their feelings, mark my words: "THE BIGGEST ENEMY OF GOOD PEOPLE IS THEIR OWN BENEVOLENCE." You don't need to provide free support to anyone. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. Make a good product that is easy to use and before you hand anything over, ask to be paid for the value of your investment and the profit that you rightfully deserve. If you don't do it, then someone else will and it will be your loss and their gain. _______________________________________________________________ Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm -- GnuDIP Mailing List http://gnudip2.sourceforge.net/gnudip-www/#mailinglist
