There is already a group, directed by Professor Rentier and convened by Alma Swan: EnablingOpenScholarship (EOS): http://www.openscholarship.org
> Let us get back to basics instead of bickering among ourselves. > > How about trying to organize a high-level meeting of administrators and see > what agreement could be achieved to move forward as a group and not through > individual moves that keep on differing a little from each other. > > We need a group definition and implementation of some form of mandate with > teeth. Obviously, Bernard Rentier and the rector from Minho could give their > viewpoint on this issue in support of such a move. Obviously, Stuart Shieber > and others who have managed faculty self-mandating should also be present. > > Anyone listening? Anyone willing to cooperate on this? > > Jean-Claude Guédon > > > Le jeudi 12 juillet 2012 à 18:11 -0400, Stevan Harnad a écrit : >> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Peter Murray-Rust <pm...@cam.ac.uk> wrote: >> >> *** The faculty ignore the mandates. >> >> This is the reality - Wellcome, who have the sanction of withholding grants >> and put huge efforts into promoting, still only get 55% compliance. >> >> You have spent > 10 years trying to get effective mandates and they are >> hardly working. The compliance in chemistry is 0%. >> >> ZERO. >> >> >> >> Really? You'll have to tell that to your colleagues at, for example, U. >> Liege: There seem to be 3,620 chemistry papers deposited there: >> >> >> http://orbi.ulg.ac.be/handle/2268/151 >> >> >> And that's the optimal ID/OA mandate (Liege model) that I recommended. >> >> >> Wellcome could raise their compliance rate to 100% if they were willing to >> listen to advice. (Admirably [indeed pioneeringly] early in adopting an OA >> mandate, they have nevertheless since been deaf to advice for years, >> insisting on institution-external deposit, allowing publisher deposit, and >> wasting scarce research money on paying for Gold OA instead of shoring up >> their Green OA mandate.) >> >> >> Other funders are listening, however, and integrating their mandates with >> institutional mandates, to make them mutually reinforcing: >> >> >> Integrating Institutional and Funder Open Access Mandates: Belgian Model >> http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/864-.html >> >> >> How to Maximize Compliance With Funder OA Mandates: Potentiate Institutional >> Mandates >> http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/891-.html >> >> There is no way in my or your liftetime that senior chemists will >> self-archive. And that goes for many other disciplines. What are the VCs >> going to do? Sack them ? they bring in grant money? >> >> >> >> No: draw their attention to the financial benefits, as Alma Swan & John >> Houghton have been doing, for Green and Gold OA: >> http://ie-repository.jisc.ac.uk/610/2/Modelling_Gold_Open_Access_for_institutions_-_final_draft3.pdf >> >> >> Yes - and probably << 5% of VCs care about it. >> >> >> You are right that the mandate percentage is still far too small (and the >> effective mandate percentage is still smaller). But the benefits are large, >> and the costs are next to nothing: just effective policy-making and >> implementation. >> >> My argument - or fairy story - is that nothing will happen if we continue as >> we are. We have to get much tougher. And university mandates are seen as >> next to useless - universities can't police them and it alienates the >> faculty. >> >> The attraction of the fairy story is that it's vastly simpler and quicker to >> carry out. It even builds on the apathy of the faculty - the less they care, >> the easier it is. >> >> I am not against green OA - I am arguing that the OA community should unite >> and take decisive action. >> >> >> I'm for reality rather than fairy tales. And reaching for the reachable, >> now, rather than fulminating about the unreachable (especially when reaching >> for the reachable, now, is eventually likely to bring more of the >> unreachable within reach). >> >> >> Stevan Harnad >> _______________________________________________ >> GOAL mailing list >> GOAL@eprints.org >> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > GOAL@eprints.org > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
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