> I've read all the e-mails so far and there are valid points from both > parts but it seems there's a critical thing missing. > > What do PHP users want? > > I mean, what do sysadmins, programmers and managers want from PHP 5.5? > > Here's my personal opinion: > > I work in an enterprise so... I want stability (includes bug fixes) > and speed. In this order. Language features are on the third spot, at > least this is the case for PHP 5.5. > > We'll get generators and a function for passwords and something I > really don't care about :) Why? Because I won't have a chance to use > them soon and by the time I'll use them PHP will get to version 5.8 > most likely. So for me the fact that PHP 5.5 will be delayed a couple > of months is irrelevant. > > We upgrade either to use better tools/frameworks or to benefit from > security patches when versions are no longer maintained so unless > something big appears earlier there's no point to upgrade. > > Don't get me wrong, those features are great, as much as those in PHP > 5.4, yet history tells us that people still didn't made that step to > upgrade to 5.4 yet. > > So if those features are not that 'something big' then what is it? > > A huge, out of the box, speed bump for production machines. > > Could this be done with APC? Most likely, that is if a stable APC were > to be released same time as PHP 5.5. I really don't want to offend > anyone but see what happened with 5.4 and APC. > > What I'm trying to say is: if O+ can be added to PHP 5.5 and made > stable, and I do mean production ready which from my understanding is > almost there, then why shouldn't it be done? > > But I'm just a single user. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. But so > are the other people who replied here so far, they are all only > individuals. > > This is a perfect opportunity for testing out the whole: 'ask your > users' thing that me and several other people were talking about. > > How expensive would it be, both in time and actual costs, to actually > make this happen? Either setup a poll on php.net or on a third party > service for one-two weeks and ask the users these simple questions > (obviously they could be better, POC ahead): > > What do you expect from PHP 5.5? (multiple choice) > - better security > - better stability > - better speed > - more language features > - other <type here> > - all of the above > > Do you know what an opcode cache is? > - yes > - no > > Would you be ok if PHP 5.5 will not ship in April 2013 but in August > 2013 because we want to integrate an opcode cache, a functionality, > which once used could increase the speed of your applications by up to > 50% or more*? > - yes > - no > > * NOTE: the speed increase is not guaranteed to be the same for all > applications nor it is guaranteed. > > Would the fact that PHP 5.5 doesn't ship as originally planed, if the > mentioned integration happens, affect your view about PHP? > - yes > - no > > What position do you have in your company? > - developer > - sysadmin > - devops > - manager > - other: <type here> > > Are you in a position to influence the upgrade from your current PHP > version to PHP 5.5? > - yes > - no > > > Afaik every major framework has someone here, on the ML, then we have > Zend and we have some other libraries and so on here as well. Imagine > if all those people would link from their websites to the said poll. I > think it would be a small effort from them but the responses could at > least point out to what users actually want and help you in sorting > this out. > > If I offended anyone, which I'm almost sure I did, it was not my > intention, please forgive me. > > Thank you all for your hard work on PHP. >
And I've forgot the most important question: Would you skip PHP 5.4 migration if the opcode caching were to be included by default in PHP 5.5? - yes - no Best regards ---- Florin Patan https://github.com/dlsniper -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
