Nope! C or Idris, I'll also accept Assembler.
and Scala's the least bad you can get if otherwise tied to the JVM. :) On 6 June 2014 18:00, Cédric Beust ♔ <ced...@beust.com> wrote: > So you're arguing for the Java approach then? > > > > -- > Cédric > > > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Kevin Wright <kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> In the interests of playing Devil's advocate here, there's a very >> convincing argument to be made here for "the middle" not being the best at >> all: >> >> Courtesy of Erik Meijer: >> >> http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2611829 >> >> >> >> On 6 June 2014 17:19, Cédric Beust ♔ <ced...@beust.com> wrote: >> >>> I find all these "inspired by" conjectures a bit vapid, but just to play >>> along, I would argue that Swift belongs in the generation of languages >>> sparked by C and C++, with which it has much more in common than with >>> Haskell and ML languages. >>> >>> To me, Swift seems to validate the "pendulum in the middle" approach >>> that we started seeing with Ceylon and Kotlin. Java looks fairly primitive >>> today (pendulum left), Scala is reasonably advanced and pioneered a lot of >>> interesting features in that family of languages (pendulum right) and >>> Ceylon/Kotlin/Swift advocate a middle ground approach that takes the best >>> of both extremes (pendulum in the middle). >>> >>> -- >>> Cédric >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cédric >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:46 AM, shellac <pldms+goo...@mac.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 05/06/14 18:21, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote: >>>> >>>> Funny how everyone wants to claim that Swift was inspired by their >>>> ${favorite_language} when the definitive answer is available directly >>>> from the presentation: >>>> >>>> Inline image 1 >>>> >>>> C, C++, Objective C, Java, Ruby, Python, Javascript, Perl, Groovy and LUA. >>>> >>>> I raise your definitive answer with: >>>> >>>> "...drawing ideas from Objective-C, Rust, Haskell, Ruby, Python, C#, >>>> CLU, and far too many others to list." [1] >>>> >>>> (More seriously it's very clearly part of a generation of OO languages >>>> that have picked up tricks from ML and Haskell -- start java-ish, favour >>>> optional / maybe over null, enum / either, switch / match pattern >>>> matching with destructuring). >>>> >>>> Damian >>>> >>>> [1] <http://nondot.org/sabre/> <http://nondot.org/sabre/> >>>> >>>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Java Posse" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Java Posse" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Kevin Wright mail: kevin.wri...@scalatechnology.com gtalk / msn : kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com quora: http://www.quora.com/Kevin-Wright google+: http://gplus.to/thecoda <kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com> twitter: @thecoda vibe / skype: kev.lee.wright steam: kev_lee_wright "My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger" ~ Dijkstra -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Java Posse" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
