I don't think it's unfair at all.
There have been several times I've had to go look for a tutorial on the
Freedom Scientific website, or the Jaws Users List website, and found what
ever I've been looking for.
I can't even begin to count how many times I've done the Surfs Up lesson on
web surfing with Jaws, just to refresh my memory.
About the only thing I can't get a handle on is the use of Internet Apps
that require you to turn off the virtual cursor, but I imagine with use,
I'll eventually get the hang of it, but a great many people don't feel that
way.
They figure it's good one way, so leave it that way. Don't get me wrong,
one should feel that way with a screen reader, but eventually, one has to
upgrade their skills, lest they become obsolete along with their technology.
I don't think FS would come out with version upon version of Jaws just
because they want you to spend countless of thousands on the program, they
do it because technology is always changing and running ahead of the pack,
so too must Jaws in order to keep up with the leader, if not the pack
itself.
You know, it's the whole teach a man to fish thing. One must adapt, or get
left behind, especially us blind folks.
I use these types of pages on my bank website, and while daunting at first,
eventually I got the hang of it, and now they're second nature. Lists like
these and the FS website are there for support, but eventually, you are
expected to retain the knowledge you get from these places, otherwise,
what's the point?
Scorpio
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] using "new, upgraded" websites
Hi, Scorpio. Don't you think this is a little unfair? Website designers
generally make websites visually intuitive. We'd like to be in a position to
expect the same thing. It sounds as though Karen tried all sorts of methods
to make these buttons work. I might have added the spacebar to her list, but
others have posted other suggestions that might work. Technology ought to
serve us, not the other way around. I say this respectfully.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Scorpio
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] using "new, upgraded" websites
Or maybe people just don't want to learn new things because it's easier to
stick with the older stuff, no matter how unsafe it is.
Guys, this is the new standard, there must be instructions on how to handle
those particular elements on a webpage, you just have to find them.
Try Freedom Scientific's homepage to see if they have tutorials and learn
them, especially since more and more sites are trending to that format.
Scorpio
-----Original Message-----
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] using "new, upgraded" websites
Take lots of Tylenol, and hope someone gets the idea that this kind of
nonsense is just that for us blind folk ... NONSENSE. And don't you mean ad
nauseum?
-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Schrade
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:49 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] using "new, upgraded" websites
I am going crazy with the new formats for websites. I'm using IE 11, win 7,
and jaws 17 latest. If I go to the family history website
Familysearch.org
I get "button menu collapsed, button menu collapsed, button menu collapsed"
ad infinitim.
I've tried enter, alt enter, control enter, left and right mouse buttons and
just arrows and cannot change anything from collapsed. I do get a context
menu with the right mouse button but, it's not helpful. Any suggestions?
Thanks, Karen
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