No problem, we all use whatever Jaws settings works best for us. No right or wrong answer in what option we choose to use with Jaws. In my opinion, I recommend using the Jaws virtual ribbons. I say this after using and testing the Jaws virtual ribbons for many years with the Microsoft products. Just my two cents worth! Smiles.
-----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:34 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... Jim, I carefully said "I think" you're wrong when saying the virtual cursor is easier. You're a valuable contributor to this list, and I've made notes from a number of your contributions. ON this particular issue, I disagree, and I explained why. I didn't do so out of disrespect or even to cause controversy, which is draining. This is one area, however, where I believe JAWS users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new users need to know that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable with the MS ribbons, as others on this list have. If they were too difficult, then I, too, would use the virtual ribbon. But since we have a true choice here, the question becomes whether I choose a method everyone else in the world uses or the one that only a few can. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... Thanks David, I like that, it takes all of us and our opinion working together to finish the beach. Thanks, and smiles. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:51 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth more or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Flusche Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we should use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have given their opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have given good directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws virtual ribbons activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special keystrokes for word 2016, when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how this makes life much easier with using Word, outlook, and excel. Again, I am not demanding from anyone that they must do it this way. Each of us can decide for ourselves weather we use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not single me out and say my opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are all entitled to give our own opinions out on this group unless things have changed that I am not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. 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