Hi, Nicely summarized and I stipulate that the complexity of meshing all of this digital dance into a smooth experience must be a daily challenge but with the avalanche of wide ranging issues exposed in just one week, it cannot be dismissed that playing Whack A Mole and What’s Behind Door # 3 is becoming a frustration inversely proportional to the age of the operator. Mitch
Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: JM Casey Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:53 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I hear you; sometimes I definitely feel the same. The fact that, between, for example, VFO and Microsoft, half the time when there's some kind of update you are crossing your fingers hoping something won't be broken afterwards, is pretty maddening. The reply above yours from David there says "voiceover on the mac". At first I kind of scoffed at that. I'm not a mac user and probably never will be. But here's the thing. As PC users, I think we are given a variety of options and tools, and that's one of the great things about being a PC users. I used to access the web through Telnet and a linux shell. The only browser that would work was lynx and it couldn't display framed webpages properly. It was a really frustrating experience back then, for sure. Then, finally, we had Internet Explorer and netscape. Then, internet Explorer, Firefox, and Chrome. I think the idea of the web being an entirely universal experience is a nice dream, but still a dream. All you can do is try to make it as close to a universal experience as you can. That's actually harder and harder now with the number of connected devices out there. Often, it's Microsoft that won't play along. I think we'll probably see more and more people using Chrome, and that's probably a good thing. Just today I had to get it up and running again and it was nice to be reminded how fast and robust it really is. Are things complex? Yeah, definitely. But these browsers aren't so different from one another that we can't adapt. We just have to know what tool is appropriate for each job. If you're a carpenter, you probably won't get very far with just a single saw in your arsenal, you know? And rest assured, even though screen-readers do add a certain amount of complexity to things, sighted people have to deal with this too. Let's be glad we aren't system administrators (although maybe you are? I don't know)....that opens a whole new can o' worms, when you've got a network of computers, all running different software and hardware, and your company expects you to get them all to play nice with each other. Now maybe it's just because I have more time on my hands this year than I used to, but 90% of the time, I enjoy the challenge and adding new tools to the arsenal, so to speak. The only thing that's really making me nervous sometimes is Windows 10 updating and screwing around with my settings and things. *grins* -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: February 23, 2018 5:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I agree that it's necessary to have all three browsers installed, but this increasing complexity is a little nuts. People are suggesting that we should also have the two screenreaders, JAWS and NVDA, on board, which I do. But that means we may need to try six combinations before we can access certain websites. Then there's the question of which version of JAWS will work. To give an example, a certain website I use is accessible to IE11, but it moves painfully slowly after the log-in page. Chrome gets to this page right away, but later there's a critical page on this same website that Chrome can't even open. For a while, I was trying to access this website with Firefox, but Firefox couldn't locate the edit fields for the username and password fields, and so obviously I couldn't log in. Then, on a whim, I switched from JAWS 2018 and 18, which I already need to alternate between, to JAWS 17. Lo and behold, the edit fields appeared. After that, Firefox and JAWS 17 seem to move seamlessly through the entire website. This is a website that requires logging in to test, which is why I'm not posting the address. The amount of time and distraction involved for screenreader users in working on the Web lately is getting ludicrous. Maybe VFO's efforts to work with MS on Edge will bring us back to a single universal browser. Until then, the lives of screenreader users are complicated. My ambition is to work as fast on a computer as fast as a non-techy sighted user, but all this browser/screenreader/version number switching is an obstacle to fast, distraction-free browsing. I can't imagine what it's like for a new screenreader user. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:23 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I use Chrome and IE 11 but have suspended using Firefox until accessibility issues are cleared up. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Jones" <sonshine...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > Amen to all that, I also have NVDA, and it seems to get better and better. > > Judy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:54 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > I couldn't agree more with having multiple browsers. There are > certain web pages that just don't work well with a certain browser, > but will work much better with another. > > I have Firefox, Chrome and IE on my PC and use them all depending on > the circumstance. I also have NVDA in addition to JAWS, for the same reason. > > The more tools available, the better, in my opinion. > > Pam > > > ________________________________________ > From: JAWS-Users-List [jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] on > behalf of JM Casey [crystallo...@ca.inter.net] > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:48 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > HI. > > My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I > also have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both > work well, but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think > Chrome support has gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I do > not have this. The Firefox interface is a little more like that of iE, > so you would probably find that switch simpler. But really, there's no > reason not to have both on your machine. Keep your options open. > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Karen Schrade > Sent: February 23, 2018 2:43 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to > switch from IE11 to another browser... > Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a > smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change > but, some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! 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