hi,
I also believe that the sound of the result depends on, what you like to
work with.
With all those effects out there it can at times be quite difficult to fine
exactly the right one.
I also recommend you to find your own prefered sound and develop from there
rather then running after the options in the programs only.
Brian
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From: Phil Muir
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 11:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [Jsonar] OT: discussion on Sonar's audio engine sonic quality
Agreed. Whenever I work with people, they really don't care which package I
am using. They are more interested in the results.
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Victor Tsaran
Sent: 21 February 2011 21:34
To: JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar discussion list
Subject: Re: [Jsonar] OT: discussion on Sonar's audio engine sonic quality
Hi Yamuna,
Did you try to play a trick on your friend by telling that you recorded in
Reaper, for example? IMHO, what your friend does is very unprofessional.
I can't imagine that people could recognize Sonar sound from any other
recording software. After all, the sound goes through many hardware devices
before it reaches our ears.
I should also say that you should demand explanations from your clients.
Perhaps they use Sonar as an excuse to not give your the work. A friendly
conversation may help?
Don't know... Keep on fighting though.
Vic
On 2/21/2011 1:24 AM, Yamuna Jivana dasa wrote:
Hi Roy, Phil and everybody,
Guys, please do not mind but towards the end of this E-mail I am going
to share a somewhat personal matter with the list.
Roy wrote:
what version of Sonar are you using?
8.0.2.319
do you also master your mixes afterwards?
Yes, but I do it all on-the-fly by enabling bus or track EQs, or
inserting Sonitus FX Compressor or reverb Etc, as needed into the
project directly in Sonar.
Phil, I am aware of the sonic results of using subtractive EQ often
and carefullhy (thanks though for this advice you have shared), and I
also try to be very selective whenever I do choose to shape the sound
of anything in my mixes, because I feel that shaping should be done
very selectively, with well determined reasoning first, and in
relation to everything else in the mix.
BTW I am using a motu 896 HD firewire sound card which carries my
Project C3 Condenser microphone feed to Sonar via an analog input, and
to which my master bus outputs into. So I guess this sound card's
built-in pre-amps may play a part in the sound of the vocals which are
produced in my projects.
Usually I end up with very little mastering, because of my
conservative approach, and then taking into consideration the fact
that soft synths are usually created with some tendency to shape the
sounds they produce as well, makes it more compelling to leave things
as they are in lots of cases in a project where mostly one soft synth
is used to get at instruments, except messing with volume of those
instruments in the mixe. I don't know how you guys feel about what
I've just said. No doubt we're going to get a varying response but
that's what I'm after! <smile> That's how we learn.
I am very interested in your practical examples of work done
completely in Sonar, using soft synths and effects as plugins, and
using the best microphones for vocals, but everything strictly through
Sonar: mastering, plugins, audio and midi tracks Etc, only through Sonar.
In other words, no hardware synths, and no synths recorded outside of
Sonar and then imported into Sonar later Etc. I'm looking at Sonar's
audio engine's reproduction of synths and effects sounds.
If there is anyone out here who has some work they have produced under
these conditions, which they can swear by stands up to productions
created under similar conditions in other production environments,
then I would be very very interested in hearing your work for my own
comparison. Please see at the end of this mail how you can log into my
FTP server and send me the files by uploading them there.
So now for that personal matter I mentioned earlier:
I am too close to my own work, so I feel that I am perhaps not being a
fair judge of Sonar because of that. Not only this, but a very good
musician and a very dear friend of mine usually complains of my work
sounding too much like it comes from Sonar, and having the "Sonar poor
definition" effect. I know he is only giving me his honest friendly
feedback and I appreciate it for what it is. However, it has worried
me a lot; it has even influenced me to think poorly of my productions,
and has made me feel hesitant to tell potential clients that I am
producing in Sonar or even to show them my work, for fear that they
would not like to produce their work here at Gaura Records! As a
result, the few people who would previously come to record here and
would pay me for the work done, has now stopped completely, and it is
solely due to my lack of confidence in my own productions. There was
also another guy who used to record here who always complained that
the sound is just not quite where it should be, but he could not say
exactly why. Eventually I told him to rather take his work to another
studio where he would perhaps be happier with the outcome.
So may be if someone can send me content that they themselves have
produced solely in the Sonar platform, which they think has a great
sound, then perhaps by listening to fresh work myself, I can start to
feel better about Sonar. The psychological impact on me has been
severe, I guess, and perhaps I am just looking for comfort from those
of you, such as Phil Mure, who believes that it is not true that Sonar
has a poorer audio definition inherent than in other environments like
pro tools! At least then, if I can be convinced that I just need to
buck up on my own mastering skills and nothing else, then I can work on
doing that.
Good people, if you have anything at all to share in this connection,
you can log into my server and post the files there. I have set up a
special place for JSonar users only. In this server folder , you will
also find examples of files which I have produced in Sonar using
JSonar, using the exact studio configuration I described in this
E-mail.
You will find two songs on the server, as follows:
"Siya On Line" was a theme song which I produced for the Siya On Line
magazine song writing competition. The loaded synths were Session
Drummer 2 and Hypersonic 2, and the effects were all standard Sonitus
EQ, sonitus compressor and Sonitus reverb. I am the vocalist as well
on the lead and backing vocal tracks.
"Viresh 03" was the untitled song produced for the artist "Viresh"
whom I just mentioned earlier, who was complaining that the sound is
"just not where it should be", but couldn't say exactly why. He is
doing the vocals there, and during production, he described more or
less the tune and how he wanted the song to sound. I dutifully
composed and produced the sound as he asked me to do.
After listening to my work, your thoughts, suggestions and ideas would
be most welcome.
If anyone wants me to upload a copy of the actual project file of any
of these files, I am ready to do so, provided that we only keep the
trade secrets that we discover therein between us JSonar members. Some
of you may benefit from seeing the type of mastering tools I use, the
type of settings in my EQs, compressors Etc on specific tracks and
busses. The more experienced guys may have suggestions to help me
improve on all of the above.
It is my firm belief that us blind musicians are one team and that we
need to share between us in order to become as efficient if not
better, than our sighted studio producers. So I am ready to do this in
every way possible as well.
Here is the direct link that will take you to my FTP server:
ftp://jsonar:[email protected]
If you want to view that folder in Windows Explorer or in a My
Computer style window, you can go to Windows explorer or My Computer,
and put the above address into the address bar and press enter. You
will then be able to copy and paste into that folder just as you do on
your local computer's folders. You can also create sub folders there.
You can copy files there, append to broken files, Etc, but you cannot
delete files from there. If you need to delete please send me a mail
and I can do it for you immediately. Please feel free to send me your
material to listen to.
If you are logging into the FTP folder using a nice external FTP
client such as FTP Voyager or FileZilla client, (both of which allows
you to resume broken files), then you can log in by using the
following details:
FTP host address: gaurarecords.homeftp.org
Username: jsonar
Password: jsonarmembers
Or you could just send me a link to your files if you already have
them uploaded somewhere else, that's fine as well, guys.
Sorry for this rather long E-mail, and my warmest regards to all the
good people on this list!
Yamuna
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