Dan bukan sekedar syntaxnya doank yg sama. Menurut oracle, google ngefork code Java buat produce Dalvik, yang dibikin dari Apache's Harmony.. yang in turn masih dalan sengketa yg long-running dari jaman Sun, dan statusnya masih gak jelas sampe sekarang. Well at least itu isi dari gugatan oracle.
2010/8/17 Adelwin, Adelwin <adelwin.adel...@sc.com> > > > +1 > > Gue juga setuju… > > Google emang raja nya internet sekarang… > > G juga ngerti kenapa pake syntax java… > > Tapi yang musti semua orang liat ituh bukan masalah android ituh java based > nya… > > Tapi syntax nya java… > > G ngobrol2 sama orang kantor.. semua nya pada salah kaprah.. > > Mereka kira google di sue karna pake java tanpa ijin buat bikin android… > > Ini salah… > > Google di sue karna die menyebarkan API android pake syntax java… > > Tujuan nya sih bisa di mengerti sih… > > Java mayan popular… > > Jadi supaya the would-be developers of android gak perlu belajar barang > baru lagi… > > Dan bisa entice java developer untuk bikin barang2 buat android… > > Tapi tetep salah… > > Kalo dari awal di bilang java-based.. gue rasa sih gak ada masalah sih > menurut gue… > > > > > > *Adelwin Handoyo** | Senior Consultant - Wholesale Bank* > *Standard Chartered Bank* > 7, Changi Business Park Cresent, Level 3. Singapore (486028) > > *T* : (65) 659 61395 |* **E* adelwin.adel...@sc.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > jug-indone...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Reza Alaudin > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:54 PM > > *To:* jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: Pernyataan James Gosling masalah Oracle > Sue Ke Google > > > > > > +1 > > coba lo liat di developer referencenya... > http://developer.android.com/reference > > dah kelihatan mix n match... > > java.awt ada > > java.nio ada > > even > > javax.microeditions juga ada... > > java itu opensource emang... tapi ada aturannya... > > klo bikin VM sendiri boleh lah... open jDK kompile ndiri diatas linux > embedded. > > OK.. tapi lo pake ndiri aja... klo mo bikin java ndiri... ya jangan asal > maen comot dunks... > > ni Android, jse,jme, dicomot sana sini... > > benernya google bikin android yg bebas dari package java.*.* > > itu baru bisa diterima... > > > > Lu juga Frans... bikin android, ngompile ndiri... ya gak masalah... > > asal SDKnya package java.* itu gak lu ikutin... bikin ndiri ... > > :D > > makanya si James gak rela... > > > > regards, > > Reza > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Hendry Luk <hendrym...@gmail.com> > *To:* jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tue, August 17, 2010 10:40:21 AM > *Subject:* Re: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: Pernyataan James Gosling masalah Oracle > Sue Ke Google > > > > Sorry am i missing something? > Gw gak ngerti.... Google blatantly negalnggar pattent java. Biarpun lu > open-source, gak berarti lu bisa seenaknya langgar pattent orang. Paten ya > paten, mesti lu respect. Open source gak berarti di atas law. > > Oracle kan juga company.. sama kayak meruvian. Gimana kalo projectnya > Meruvian seenaknya dicuri company rival, buat diUANGkan, dibikin open source > buat apparent COMMERCIAL purpose. Bikin company rival lu makin kaya raya.. > dan lu ngerasa dicuri. > > Google emang kayak robin hood, ngerampok the riches, ngasih ke the poors. > Simpati kita, rakyat jelata, ya ke google, tapi gak berarti what they're > doing is right, legal, ato even ethical. > > 2010/8/15 Frans Thamura <fr...@meruvian.org> > > > > yah itu kan ego james pengen semua dan hanya 1 Java didunia ;0 > > > > gue aliran suka banyak Java didunia, tetapi tentu saja, java yang ada beda > dengan Java yang dari ORacle ini > > > > gue kan pendukung inovasi dan percaya inovasi akan sangat bagus kalau Java > tidak di kuasai Oracle ;) > > > > makanya buat yang JUG dg kata Sun supported, kena kan sekarang. :) > > > > lagian kasus android vs java me ini terjadi di USA saja, dan hanya di USA > saja yang mendukung software paten > > > > di indnesia lo buat android A, B , C legal bro ;) > > > > dan kita lg maju buat ini bisa terjadi > > > > intinya kalau Google pusing gak mau bayar 10 billion US$ setahun ke Oracle, > kasih gue androidnya, gue terusin dan gue bisa jalanin android gak perlu > bayar 1 upil pun ke ORacle ;) > > > > huahua, nah itu arti "ball"-nya James ;) > > > > > > -- > Frans Thamura > Director > Meruvian. > The Most Complete Java Services Provider in Indonesia > > > Mobile: +6287885901958 > Blog & Profile: http://frans.thamura.info > > We grow because we share the same belief. > > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Yudhi Karunia Surtan < > brainmaster...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Frans ini pernyataan dari si gosh.. > > Posted by *James Gosling* <http://www.rabblesoft.com/> on August 13, 2010 > at 09:14 AM PDT > #<http://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/entry/the_shit_finally_hits_the#comment-1281716060000> > > Oracle is right. Google is wrong. Google SCREWED with Java big time. Google > took Java, compiled Java code into Java bytecode, then translated that into > Dalvik bytecode to run on the Dalvik virtual machine. Then Google avoided > calling its language Java. Thus Google avoided having to license Java IP > from Sun. Google created a work-around for Java Mobile Edition (which is NOT > GPL'd). Google screwed Java and Sun. And now Google is going to pay Oracle > for its sins. Sure, Google has lawyers. But Oracle has lawyers too and > Oracle is better at suing others than Google has been. Oracle is the second > largest software company in the world - second only to Microsoft. It makes > lots of money. And it plays to big business. Believe it when it sues Google. > > > > Maka yg lu bilang paling ntar paling di ganti jadi java me yah itu > kemungkinan paling besar. > > > > Maaap... salah2x.. tanya pernyataan dari si gosling di atasnya.. > > malu jadinya.. > > pernyataan dari si gosling ga taunya yg ini..(click link # nya) > > > > @James grow some balls please. > > > > Maap yaaah... miss undestanding tadi gw.. mungkin keasikan baca jadi ga > perhatiin. :D > > > > On Aug 14, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Yudhi Karunia Surtan wrote: > > > > Frans ini pernyataan dari si gosh.. > > Posted by *James Gosling* <http://www.rabblesoft.com/> on August 13, 2010 > at 09:14 AM PDT > #<http://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/entry/the_shit_finally_hits_the#comment-1281716060000> > > Oracle is right. Google is wrong. Google SCREWED with Java big time. Google > took Java, compiled Java code into Java bytecode, then translated that into > Dalvik bytecode to run on the Dalvik virtual machine. Then Google avoided > calling its language Java. Thus Google avoided having to license Java IP > from Sun. Google created a work-around for Java Mobile Edition (which is NOT > GPL'd). Google screwed Java and Sun. And now Google is going to pay Oracle > for its sins. Sure, Google has lawyers. But Oracle has lawyers too and > Oracle is better at suing others than Google has been. Oracle is the second > largest software company in the world - second only to Microsoft. It makes > lots of money. And it plays to big business. Believe it when it sues Google. > > > > Maka yg lu bilang paling ntar paling di ganti jadi java me yah itu > kemungkinan paling besar. > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2010, at 11:03 AM, agoes wrote: > > > > > > jadi teringat proses akusisi sun saja dulu banyak pertentangan di eropa , > ternyata kejadian juga tentang system monopoli yang dilakukan > oleh oracle. tapi system copypaste yang akan menang selamanya sepertinya > hehe... > > --- In jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com <jug-indonesia%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Frans Thamura" <fr...@...> wrote: > > > > Makanya semua pasar java akan lawan oracle. > > > > Saya malah akan melihat yg runtuh adalah amerika > > > > Karena yg diserang mengacu pada paten software yg hanya berlaku di > amerika > > > > Jadi kita di indo mah aman, juga eropa dan cina > > > > Ini bukti lemahnya amerika yg pengen kaya dg monopoli ide > > > > Perang ini kalau google menang, adallah kemenangan opensource > > (m) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "agoes" <agoesta...@...> > > Sender: jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com <jug-indonesia%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 02:33:06 > > To: <jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com <jug-indonesia%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Reply-To: jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com<jug-indonesia%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [JUG-Indonesia] Pernyataan James Gosling masalah Oracle Sue Ke > Google > > > > > http://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/entry/the_shit_finally_hits_the#comments > > > > perlawanan google momentum awal untuk membela project opensource > > dunia yang menggunakan java. > > siap siap aja apa yang terjadi .. > > terjadi perperangan besar .. > > moga aja project JUG juga tidak kena Sue oleh oracle > > hehe > > trim's > > by/ag > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > ==== > > Buktikan Anda peduli pendidikan Indonesia. > > Dukung Kurikulum SMK berJava.. kirimkan surat resmi perusahaan dukungan > ke moderator JUG. > > === > > > > Kalau mau keluar dari mailing list ini, caranya kirim sebuah email ke > jug-indonesia-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com<jug-indonesia-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Jangan lupa, website JUG Indonesia adalah http://www.jug.or.id/ > > > > Yahoo! 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