Mike Noyes wrote:

> Matt,
> I understand (see below), 

Ok I see what you mean now.  Comments below the below....


> but I don't know if this type of change is 
> possible with phpWebSite. It definitely will require a different theme. 
> It may also require hacking the menu code. Note: I don't want to modify 
> the menu code for many reasons.
> 
> Have you located a theme (phpWebSite, PostNuke, Nuke) that behaves in 
> the manner you describe? If so, we may be able to use it for our site.
> 
>>>> Hopefully it wouldn't require any major rewrites.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you're talking about including the sub menus in the pages 
>>> themselves, I don't think we can do that with phpWebSite.


   I didn't realize the layout was tied to a theme
and to a php way of making menus.

   I come from the old school of webmasters where I started
with cern httpd and ncsa mosaic and everything was left
margin adjusted.  When w3 came out with tables and the
ability to center in the early 90's, that's when I was
doing a lot of web design for the Remote Access Astronomy
Project.

   We just put the right graphics up and layed out the
design using tables and later using frames.  Building
a site like openssl.org using basic html 2.0 or 3.0
code would be fairly straightforward.  I didn't realize
that the move to php puts a lot of constraints on things
because I'm not familiar with it.

   So now I'll switch my track of requests.  Before I wanted
a simple layout like openssl.org's.

      Now I request all source code to be reachable from a
      single menu item.  Once the left hand column menu
      item for Source Code is clicked, everything we have
      is listed as links in the right hand window.  There
      doesn't have to be a specific link to every file,
      but rather I'd suggest it all be listed and linked
      towards.

      I request all documentation to be reachable from a
      documents menu item in the same way as my source code
      request.  This business of digging all over place to
      find where code and docs are hidden in each developer's
      stuff is what makes people frustrated, I gather.

      I'd rather that the left hand column doesn't expand
      itself.  When it does so, people have to focus on two
      things that changed, the left hand menus and the right
      hand page.  This is a minor point now that you've told
      me how things are done with php.


I've never searched for php themes.  Do you have any
pointers?

Regards,
Matthew


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