After looking over many pages at TNG, an objection I have is that "Sources" is a separate page that is unlinked to any other. If you upload your GEDCOM to TNG, what happens to all your sources? Do they become separated from the events they document, or are they transferred over at all?
I envision using my website to document a line one at a time, uploading all the original source documentation or abstracts from published books, etc. I would like to combine a narrative with some descendant data, but probably not all. I liked Pat Hickin's tree at wikitree for this reason, and that the sources were all displayed as footnotes and so easily seen in context with the events they documented. Barton On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 02:33 PM, John Lisle wrote: > Barton, > > Although WC and FS do not (easily) take media, > they are worthwhile as places to archive your > genealogy that also makes your research available to different > audiences. > > One of my issues with using Cable company for web > site (or email address) is that you might drop > your cable company and then lose your site. If > you are using TNG or webtrees or some other tool > with collaborative ability, you could lose data > and you might also lose the value of having a search engine document > your site. > > In general, Comcast and that ilk does not support > PHP and MySQL sites nor sites as large as you > will probably want, as soon as you start adding > media. :-) They may be restricted to various size > or bandwidth limits. (As an aside, some folks > have mentioned hosting services that offer > unlimited space and bandwidth. Every one of them > have other limits, usually CPU usage or the like > and tend to be quite cruel in deciding to kick > you off if you hit one of their hidden limits. > > Look for a reputable hosting service that has 24/7 support. > > john. > > At 11:32 AM 4/14/2015, BARTON LEWIS wrote: >> John, thank you for the informative background. I think I would not >> want to go with WorldConnect or FamilySearch as I want to be able to >> display media. So I have been viewing the web page links at TNG and >> think that's the way I want to go. My only concern is that by >> using my >> cable compnay as my website host I may run into problems if there is >> some kind of incompatability with using TNG -- but I don't know if >> that's an issue. I guess if it could be, I will only find out by >> trying >> it. And if it does prove to be an issue, I could take my domain >> somewhere else to be hosted. Does all of this sound >> reasonable/accurate? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Barton >>  >>  >>  On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 01:38 AM, John Lisle wrote: >>  >>  > Barton, >>> >>> Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic >>> pages. >>> >>> Static pages means you create all of the pages >>> you wish to upload to whatever hosting service >>> you wish to use. After you create the pages on >>> your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages >>> by FTP (or some similar tool) to your hosting >>> service. You may wish to create some pages as >>> home pages to tell your story. The disadvantage >>> of this technique is that it does not scale well. >>> As the size of your family file gets bigger, you >>> have more and more pages. Further, many of them >>> will be small and, as a result, consume large amounts of hosting >>> space. >>> >>> In the late 1990s, a program was created called >>> IGM by Randy Winch. The idea behind IGM was that >>> you uploaded your Gedcom file to your hosting >>> service along with the IGM software and had IGM >>> process your Gedcom and allow you to have IGM >>> create your web pages dynamically as visitors >>> requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb >>> and that is what RootsWeb's WorldConnect service is using. >>> >>> In the early 2000s, two software products were >>> created to take the IGM experience to a higher >>> level. They have the limitation that the hosting >>> service has to support php scripting MySQL >>> databases that not all "free" or cable company >>> hosting provides. They also expect the user to >>> have, or have access to, some basic webmastering >>> skills. Both require a quality hosting service >>> and for you to acquire a domain name for your site. >>> >>> One is the OpenSource product phpGedView. This >>> has the advantage that it is free. It is also slow. >>> >>> The other is the commercial product TNG. License >>> cost is minor, and based on personal experience, >>> the visitor experience is far superior and the >>> customization tools provided by the vendor are >>> effective and fairly easy to use. Further, it is >>> the closest in data model to Legacy. Not >>> identical, but most of your Legacy data can be >>> imported into TNG and used as you would expect, including media and >>> mapping. >>> >>> In many respects, all of the cloud based >>> genealogy programs, including Ancestry Trees, are derivative of >>> these >>> ideas. >>> >>> To understand any of these dynamic solutions, >>> think of them like you think of importing a >>> Gedcom into Legacy. You import the Gedcom and >>> Legacy/TNG/WorldConnect/etc. load your data from >>> the Gedcom, as best as they can, into the >>> programs database so that you can explore, and in >>> some cases like TNG, edit your data using the program as a genealogy >>> program. >>> >>> --> I have at times edited my TNG family file >>> directly when a visitor pointed out a problem >>> that needed immediate correction; however, >>> normally, for me, corrections come when I update >>> a new Gedcom as Legacy files are always my master file. >>> >>> Last year, I was part of a team of members of the >>> Guild of One Name Studies who looked at these >>> solutions. The Guild has decided to pilot a >>> program where members can get hosting space with >>> the Guild for a web site that after paying for it >>> while living will be retained after the member >>> "retires" as a means of providing that members' >>> research is not lost and continues to be >>> available. The selected tool for dynamic web sites is TNG. >>> >>> BTW, one of the issues with any web site is how >>> it plays with the various search bots. The >>> Chicago company SimplyHosting is considered to be >>> so TNG friendly that they have TNG specific >>> hosting packages that cost under $5 a month, and >>> they will even install the TNG software for you. >>> (I have no financial interest in any of these >>> vendors.) I use their services after having issues with other >>> services. >>> >>> --> if you want easy places to preserve your data >>> for no cost, I would suggest WorldConnect or >>> FamilySearch (their community trees are based on >>> limited version of TNG). Both have limitations on >>> what can be displayed and what, if any, media >>> items you can attach to your tree. >>> >>> Questions? >>> >>> john. >>> >>> At 12:01 AM 4/14/2015, Cathy Pinner wrote: >>>> Hi Barton, >>>> Thought I'd get your email out of an irrelevant thread. >>>> >>>> I can't help with your hosting and compatibility issues. >>>> >>>> However, Legacy Web Pages are generated on your computer and you >>>> can >>>> view them in your browser. >>>> Uploading them to a host is a another step. >>>> >>>> So go to Internet Ribbon and choose an option in the Create Web >>>> Pages >>>> section and play. >>>> >>>> To see what others have done with Legacy Web Pages, Google "with >>>> Legacy >>>> 8.0 from Millennia" including the quotes. >>>> >>>> Cathy >>>>> My cable provider for a nominal fee provides >>>> web hosting so I upgraded. I started using >>>> Kompozer to build a website. I donâÂÂt think >>>> itâÂÂs going to be adequate to what I want to >>>> do and also I've had problems with it -- the >>>> cable provider says it's creating problems and >>>> they recommend using their tool to build the >>>> website. ItâÂÂs free. But I donâÂÂt like its >>>> templates -- they're not suited to what I want >>>> to do. I am now worried about this host >>>> provider not being "compatible" with whatever >>>> website building tool I choose. I'm not sure >>>> if I should be - don't know enough about it. I >>>> want to find a website building tool that gives >>>> me freedom to design the look of my site. I'm >>>> somewhat tech savvy and willing to deal with >>>> the learning curve. Do I need to have a web >>>> host that is "compatible" with whatever website >>>> building tool I use? I am wondering if I need >>>> to change from my cable provider to another >>>> host. The domain name is my first and last >>>> name so if it means changing to another domain >>>> name, I really would prefer not to have to do that. >>>>> >>>>> Finally, I guess I would want to upload my >>>> Legacy pages to the site as opposed to renter >>>> data but I don't feel I have seen enough >>>> examples here to know what different options >>>> there are or how they would look. Is there any >>>> way to "test" print a Legacy page to see what >>>> it looks like on the web? What "page" does one >>>> publish to the web -- is it a report? If not, what is it, exactly? >>>>> >>>>> Pat Hickin's Wikitree pages appealed to me >>>> but he/she (sorry Pat I donâÂÂt know if >>>> youâÂÂre a Patrick or Patricia) said the Legacy >>>> conversion to Wikitree was difficult. Any >>>> answers to the above questions or thoughts would be appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Barton >>>> > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). 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