Evert, (re: Legacy Gedcoms imported to TNG) I have a mod that is not yet publicly available that makes it easier for me to import a gedcom with many media links, by 'forcing' the media into collections based on folder names and structure. Anything in the "Document" folder is a Document anything in the "Census" folder is a Census anything in the "Photo" folder is a Photo.
The collection Name must exactly match the folder name. This way I do not have to "convert" the many media items into their proper collections after a gedcom import. It also has some other functions which need to be stripped out before it would be useful to all. Let me know if that would help you and we can email direct. Hope that helps Jay On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Evert van Dijken <evert...@gmail.com> wrote: > John, > Could you give an example of a TNG mod that makes it easier to import > legacy gedcoms? I couldn't find any on the wiki page: > http://tng.lythgoes.net/wiki/index.php/Category:Mods_for_TNG_v10 > Also looked for gedcom in previous builds. Could you give a direct link? > Evert > > 2015-04-15 8:04 GMT+02:00 John Lisle <leg...@johnlisle.com>: > >> Stuart, >> >> You point out an import issue with TNG and >> webtrees. The product source for both is >> available for users to inspect and edit. >> >> As a programmer, early on I made a number of mods >> to TNG and soon discovered that I needed to spend >> too much time each new update to TNG to >> re-develop those mods for the new release. >> >> A couple of years ago, TNG introduced something >> they call the mod manager. This is a way to >> create a mod and then have TNG install it. There >> is now a large catalog of these mods available, >> most of which need to be tweaked each time an >> update is prepared. Some of these mods were >> developed specifically to make it easier to >> improve how Legacy Gedcoms are imported. >> >> Does webtrees have a similar facility? >> >> However, once you lock yourself into some of >> these mods, you may find that you will need help >> if the developer is no longer maintaining them. >> >> john. >> >> At 09:00 PM 4/14/2015, Stuart Gregory wrote: >> >Hi Barton, John and other interested people >> > >> >Happy to provide the link but I would like to make a couple of comments. >> > >> >I am currently not using the latest version of >> >webtrees. One of the reasons for this is that I >> >have made some minor modifications to the >> >underlying PHP code and for me to upgrade >> >requires a little work on my part. I host the >> >site on my own web server which is located under >> >my desk in my home and apart from some minor >> >problems (bugs) there is no pressure for me to upgrade. The link to my >> site is: >> > >> >http://stuart.scss.dyndns.info/FamilyTree/ >> > >> >If you are seriously considering making your >> >Legacy data available on-line, you should look >> >at webtrees more closely. A number of the >> >developers of webtrees offer hosting services >> >(for a fee), but they all provide good support. >> >The software is open source and therefore free. >> >I would recommend that you have a look at the webtrees site here: >> > >> >http://www.webtrees.net/index.php/en/ >> > >> >If you visit this site you will find links to >> >various other sites using webtrees. There are >> >different modules available, some of which >> >radically change the look of the site, but the >> >underlying software and data remains the same. >> >That is, some of the developers have created >> >their own CSS files to present the same information but in a different >> format. >> > >> >Some final comments. As has already been >> >explained in an earlier post. Legacy creates >> >static web pages and for me, this means >> >thousands of files would need to be uploaded to >> >the web server each time I need to update the >> >web site. Webtrees allows me to enter data >> >directly on my web site and that data is >> >immediately available for everyone to see. >> > >> >Comments regarding the chance of losing data >> >when using TNG or webtrees is a valid comment. >> >But both of these products provide safeguards. >> >One safeguard is for you to implement a setting >> >so that you, as administrator of the site, are >> >the only person who can approve changes or >> >additions to the data. There is no loss of value >> >of having a search engine document your site. In >> >fact tools are provided to enhance the search engine function. >> > >> >Hope this is of value to you. >> > >> >Stuart >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: BARTON LEWIS [mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net] >> >Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2015 12:23 AM >> >To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com >> >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages >> > >> >Stuart, is it possible to see a tree generated by wbtrees - yours, >> perhaps? >> > >> >Thanks, >> > >> >Barton >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 06:16 AM, Stuart Gregory wrote: >> > >> > > For Barton, John and others interested, >> > > >> > > The open source PHPGedview has not been actively supported for a >> > > number of years since the main developer and a lot of others moved to >> > > create webtrees. I would definitely not recommend using PHPGedview. >> > > Webtrees is open source and therefore free, unlike TNG (The Next >> > > Generation). I have been a user of Legacy and webtrees for many years >> > > and PHPGedview for several years prior to moving to webtrees. >> > > >> > > For many years my webtrees site has been my prime database and I >> > > occasionally export a Gedcom from my site and create a new Legacy .fdb >> > > file so as to create reports that aren't available using webtrees. >> > > Although I back up my MySQL database every night, creating a new >> > > Legacy .fdb is another form of backup. >> > > >> > > Stuart >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: John Lisle [mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com] >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2015 1:39 PM >> > > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com >> > > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages >> > > >> > > Barton, >> > > >> > > Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic >> > > pages. >> > > >> > > Static pages means you create all of the pages you wish to upload to >> > > whatever hosting service you wish to use. After you create the pages >> > > on your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages by FTP (or some >> > > similar tool) to your hosting service. You may wish to create some >> > > pages as home pages to tell your story. The disadvantage of this >> > > technique is that it does not scale well. >> > > As the size of your family file gets bigger, you have more and more >> > > pages. Further, many of them will be small and, as a result, consume >> > > large amounts of hosting space. >> > > >> > > In the late 1990s, a program was created called IGM by Randy Winch. >> > > The idea behind IGM was that you uploaded your Gedcom file to your >> > > hosting service along with the IGM software and had IGM process your >> > > Gedcom and allow you to have IGM create your web pages dynamically as >> > > visitors requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb and that is >> > > what RootsWeb's WorldConnect service is using. >> > > >> > > In the early 2000s, two software products were created to take the IGM >> > > experience to a higher level. They have the limitation that the >> > > hosting service has to support php scripting MySQL databases that not >> > > all "free" or cable company hosting provides. They also expect the >> > > user to have, or have access to, some basic webmastering skills. Both >> > > require a quality hosting service and for you to acquire a domain name >> > > for your site. >> > > >> > > One is the OpenSource product phpGedView. This has the advantage that >> > > it is free. It is also slow. >> > > >> > > The other is the commercial product TNG. License cost is minor, and >> > > based on personal experience, the visitor experience is far superior >> > > and the customization tools provided by the vendor are effective and >> > > fairly easy to use. Further, it is the closest in data model to >> > > Legacy. Not identical, but most of your Legacy data can be imported >> > > into TNG and used as you would expect, including media and mapping. >> > > >> > > In many respects, all of the cloud based genealogy programs, including >> > > Ancestry Trees, are derivative of these ideas. >> > > >> > > To understand any of these dynamic solutions, think of them like you >> > > think of importing a Gedcom into Legacy. You import the Gedcom and >> > > Legacy/TNG/WorldConnect/etc. load your data from the Gedcom, as best >> > > as they can, into the programs database so that you can explore, and >> > > in some cases like TNG, edit your data using the program as a >> > > genealogy program. >> > > >> > > --> I have at times edited my TNG family file >> > > directly when a visitor pointed out a problem that needed immediate >> > > correction; however, normally, for me, corrections come when I update >> > > a new Gedcom as Legacy files are always my master file. >> > > >> > > Last year, I was part of a team of members of the Guild of One Name >> > > Studies who looked at these solutions. The Guild has decided to pilot >> > > a program where members can get hosting space with the Guild for a web >> > > site that after paying for it while living will be retained after the >> > > member "retires" as a means of providing that members' >> > > research is not lost and continues to be available. The selected tool >> > > for dynamic web sites is TNG. >> > > >> > > BTW, one of the issues with any web site is how it plays with the >> > > various search bots. The Chicago company SimplyHosting is considered >> > > to be so TNG friendly that they have TNG specific hosting packages >> > > that cost under $5 a month, and they will even install the TNG >> > > software for you. >> > > (I have no financial interest in any of these >> > > vendors.) I use their services after having issues with other >> > > services. >> > > >> > > --> if you want easy places to preserve your data >> > > for no cost, I would suggest WorldConnect or FamilySearch (their >> > > community trees are based on limited version of TNG). Both have >> > > limitations on what can be displayed and what, if any, media items you >> > > can attach to your tree. >> > > >> > > Questions? >> > > >> > > john. >> > > >> > > At 12:01 AM 4/14/2015, Cathy Pinner wrote: >> > >> Hi Barton, >> > >> Thought I'd get your email out of an irrelevant thread. >> > >> >> > >> I can't help with your hosting and compatibility issues. >> > >> >> > >> However, Legacy Web Pages are generated on your computer and you can >> > >> view them in your browser. >> > >> Uploading them to a host is a another step. >> > >> >> > >> So go to Internet Ribbon and choose an option in the Create Web Pages >> > >> section and play. >> > >> >> > >> To see what others have done with Legacy Web Pages, Google "with >> > >> Legacy >> > >> 8.0 from Millennia" including the quotes. >> > >> >> > >> Cathy >> > >>> My cable provider for a nominal fee provides >> > >> web hosting so I upgraded. I started using Kompozer to build a >> > >> website. I don’t think itâ€Ã¢â‚¬™s >> > going to be adequate to what I want >> > >> to do and also I've had problems with it -- the cable provider says >> > >> it's creating problems and they recommend using their tool to build >> > >> the website. It’s free. But I donân’t like its templates -- >> > >> > >> they're not suited to what I want to do. I am now worried about this >> > >> host provider not being "compatible" with whatever website building >> > >> tool I choose. I'm not sure if I should be - don't know enough about >> > >> it. I want to find a website building tool that gives me freedom to >> > >> design the look of my site. I'm somewhat tech savvy and willing to >> > >> deal with the learning curve. Do I need to have a web host that is >> > >> "compatible" with whatever website building tool I use? I am >> > >> wondering if I need to change from my cable provider to another host. >> > >> The domain name is my first and last name so if it means changing to >> > >> another domain name, I really would prefer not to have to do that. >> > >>> >> > >>> Finally, I guess I would want to upload my >> > >> Legacy pages to the site as opposed to renter data but I don't feel I >> > >> have seen enough examples here to know what different options there >> > >> are or how they would look. Is there any way to "test" print a >> > >> Legacy page to see what it looks like on the web? What "page" does >> > >> one publish to the web -- is it a report? If not, what is it, >> > >> exactly? >> > >>> >> > >>> Pat Hickin's Wikitree pages appealed to me >> > >> but he/she (sorry Pat I don’t know if youâu’re a Patrick or >> >r >> > >> Patricia) said the Legacy conversion to Wikitree was difficult. Any >> > >> answers to the above questions or thoughts would be appreciated. >> > >>> >> > >>> Thanks, >> > >>> >> > >>> Barton >> >> >> >> >> >> Legacy User Group guidelines: >> >> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >> >> Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >> >> Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >> >> Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com >> >> Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and >> on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >> >> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp >> >> > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). 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