John, Could you give an example of a TNG mod that makes it easier to import legacy gedcoms? I couldn't find any on the wiki page: http://tng.lythgoes.net/wiki/index.php/Category:Mods_for_TNG_v10 Also looked for gedcom in previous builds. Could you give a direct link? Evert
2015-04-15 8:04 GMT+02:00 John Lisle <leg...@johnlisle.com>: > Stuart, > > You point out an import issue with TNG and > webtrees. The product source for both is > available for users to inspect and edit. > > As a programmer, early on I made a number of mods > to TNG and soon discovered that I needed to spend > too much time each new update to TNG to > re-develop those mods for the new release. > > A couple of years ago, TNG introduced something > they call the mod manager. This is a way to > create a mod and then have TNG install it. There > is now a large catalog of these mods available, > most of which need to be tweaked each time an > update is prepared. Some of these mods were > developed specifically to make it easier to > improve how Legacy Gedcoms are imported. > > Does webtrees have a similar facility? > > However, once you lock yourself into some of > these mods, you may find that you will need help > if the developer is no longer maintaining them. > > john. > > At 09:00 PM 4/14/2015, Stuart Gregory wrote: > >Hi Barton, John and other interested people > > > >Happy to provide the link but I would like to make a couple of comments. > > > >I am currently not using the latest version of > >webtrees. One of the reasons for this is that I > >have made some minor modifications to the > >underlying PHP code and for me to upgrade > >requires a little work on my part. I host the > >site on my own web server which is located under > >my desk in my home and apart from some minor > >problems (bugs) there is no pressure for me to upgrade. The link to my > site is: > > > >http://stuart.scss.dyndns.info/FamilyTree/ > > > >If you are seriously considering making your > >Legacy data available on-line, you should look > >at webtrees more closely. A number of the > >developers of webtrees offer hosting services > >(for a fee), but they all provide good support. > >The software is open source and therefore free. > >I would recommend that you have a look at the webtrees site here: > > > >http://www.webtrees.net/index.php/en/ > > > >If you visit this site you will find links to > >various other sites using webtrees. There are > >different modules available, some of which > >radically change the look of the site, but the > >underlying software and data remains the same. > >That is, some of the developers have created > >their own CSS files to present the same information but in a different > format. > > > >Some final comments. As has already been > >explained in an earlier post. Legacy creates > >static web pages and for me, this means > >thousands of files would need to be uploaded to > >the web server each time I need to update the > >web site. Webtrees allows me to enter data > >directly on my web site and that data is > >immediately available for everyone to see. > > > >Comments regarding the chance of losing data > >when using TNG or webtrees is a valid comment. > >But both of these products provide safeguards. > >One safeguard is for you to implement a setting > >so that you, as administrator of the site, are > >the only person who can approve changes or > >additions to the data. There is no loss of value > >of having a search engine document your site. In > >fact tools are provided to enhance the search engine function. > > > >Hope this is of value to you. > > > >Stuart > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: BARTON LEWIS [mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net] > >Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2015 12:23 AM > >To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages > > > >Stuart, is it possible to see a tree generated by wbtrees - yours, > perhaps? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Barton > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 06:16 AM, Stuart Gregory wrote: > > > > > For Barton, John and others interested, > > > > > > The open source PHPGedview has not been actively supported for a > > > number of years since the main developer and a lot of others moved to > > > create webtrees. I would definitely not recommend using PHPGedview. > > > Webtrees is open source and therefore free, unlike TNG (The Next > > > Generation). I have been a user of Legacy and webtrees for many years > > > and PHPGedview for several years prior to moving to webtrees. > > > > > > For many years my webtrees site has been my prime database and I > > > occasionally export a Gedcom from my site and create a new Legacy .fdb > > > file so as to create reports that aren't available using webtrees. > > > Although I back up my MySQL database every night, creating a new > > > Legacy .fdb is another form of backup. > > > > > > Stuart > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: John Lisle [mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2015 1:39 PM > > > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > > > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages > > > > > > Barton, > > > > > > Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic > > > pages. > > > > > > Static pages means you create all of the pages you wish to upload to > > > whatever hosting service you wish to use. After you create the pages > > > on your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages by FTP (or some > > > similar tool) to your hosting service. You may wish to create some > > > pages as home pages to tell your story. The disadvantage of this > > > technique is that it does not scale well. > > > As the size of your family file gets bigger, you have more and more > > > pages. Further, many of them will be small and, as a result, consume > > > large amounts of hosting space. > > > > > > In the late 1990s, a program was created called IGM by Randy Winch. > > > The idea behind IGM was that you uploaded your Gedcom file to your > > > hosting service along with the IGM software and had IGM process your > > > Gedcom and allow you to have IGM create your web pages dynamically as > > > visitors requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb and that is > > > what RootsWeb's WorldConnect service is using. > > > > > > In the early 2000s, two software products were created to take the IGM > > > experience to a higher level. They have the limitation that the > > > hosting service has to support php scripting MySQL databases that not > > > all "free" or cable company hosting provides. They also expect the > > > user to have, or have access to, some basic webmastering skills. Both > > > require a quality hosting service and for you to acquire a domain name > > > for your site. > > > > > > One is the OpenSource product phpGedView. This has the advantage that > > > it is free. It is also slow. > > > > > > The other is the commercial product TNG. License cost is minor, and > > > based on personal experience, the visitor experience is far superior > > > and the customization tools provided by the vendor are effective and > > > fairly easy to use. Further, it is the closest in data model to > > > Legacy. Not identical, but most of your Legacy data can be imported > > > into TNG and used as you would expect, including media and mapping. > > > > > > In many respects, all of the cloud based genealogy programs, including > > > Ancestry Trees, are derivative of these ideas. > > > > > > To understand any of these dynamic solutions, think of them like you > > > think of importing a Gedcom into Legacy. You import the Gedcom and > > > Legacy/TNG/WorldConnect/etc. load your data from the Gedcom, as best > > > as they can, into the programs database so that you can explore, and > > > in some cases like TNG, edit your data using the program as a > > > genealogy program. > > > > > > --> I have at times edited my TNG family file > > > directly when a visitor pointed out a problem that needed immediate > > > correction; however, normally, for me, corrections come when I update > > > a new Gedcom as Legacy files are always my master file. > > > > > > Last year, I was part of a team of members of the Guild of One Name > > > Studies who looked at these solutions. The Guild has decided to pilot > > > a program where members can get hosting space with the Guild for a web > > > site that after paying for it while living will be retained after the > > > member "retires" as a means of providing that members' > > > research is not lost and continues to be available. The selected tool > > > for dynamic web sites is TNG. > > > > > > BTW, one of the issues with any web site is how it plays with the > > > various search bots. The Chicago company SimplyHosting is considered > > > to be so TNG friendly that they have TNG specific hosting packages > > > that cost under $5 a month, and they will even install the TNG > > > software for you. > > > (I have no financial interest in any of these > > > vendors.) I use their services after having issues with other > > > services. > > > > > > --> if you want easy places to preserve your data > > > for no cost, I would suggest WorldConnect or FamilySearch (their > > > community trees are based on limited version of TNG). Both have > > > limitations on what can be displayed and what, if any, media items you > > > can attach to your tree. > > > > > > Questions? > > > > > > john. > > > > > > At 12:01 AM 4/14/2015, Cathy Pinner wrote: > > >> Hi Barton, > > >> Thought I'd get your email out of an irrelevant thread. > > >> > > >> I can't help with your hosting and compatibility issues. > > >> > > >> However, Legacy Web Pages are generated on your computer and you can > > >> view them in your browser. > > >> Uploading them to a host is a another step. > > >> > > >> So go to Internet Ribbon and choose an option in the Create Web Pages > > >> section and play. > > >> > > >> To see what others have done with Legacy Web Pages, Google "with > > >> Legacy > > >> 8.0 from Millennia" including the quotes. > > >> > > >> Cathy > > >>> My cable provider for a nominal fee provides > > >> web hosting so I upgraded. I started using Kompozer to build a > > >> website. I don’t think itâ€Ã¢â‚¬™s > > going to be adequate to what I want > > >> to do and also I've had problems with it -- the cable provider says > > >> it's creating problems and they recommend using their tool to build > > >> the website. It’s free. But I donân’t like its templates -- > > > > >> they're not suited to what I want to do. I am now worried about this > > >> host provider not being "compatible" with whatever website building > > >> tool I choose. I'm not sure if I should be - don't know enough about > > >> it. I want to find a website building tool that gives me freedom to > > >> design the look of my site. I'm somewhat tech savvy and willing to > > >> deal with the learning curve. Do I need to have a web host that is > > >> "compatible" with whatever website building tool I use? I am > > >> wondering if I need to change from my cable provider to another host. > > >> The domain name is my first and last name so if it means changing to > > >> another domain name, I really would prefer not to have to do that. > > >>> > > >>> Finally, I guess I would want to upload my > > >> Legacy pages to the site as opposed to renter data but I don't feel I > > >> have seen enough examples here to know what different options there > > >> are or how they would look. Is there any way to "test" print a > > >> Legacy page to see what it looks like on the web? What "page" does > > >> one publish to the web -- is it a report? If not, what is it, > > >> exactly? > > >>> > > >>> Pat Hickin's Wikitree pages appealed to me > > >> but he/she (sorry Pat I don’t know if youâu’re a Patrick or > >r > > >> Patricia) said the Legacy conversion to Wikitree was difficult. Any > > >> answers to the above questions or thoughts would be appreciated. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> > > >>> Barton > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). 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