ok, I see it.

thanx a lot

pan


--- John Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> This is what Roy discussed.  The divergence theorem
> has
> been applied to that term.
> 
> -J
> 
> li pan writes:
>  > thanx John,
>  > there is another point. I read the Navier-Stokes
>  > equation in wiki
>  >
>
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier-Stokes_equations).
>  > There is a grad(p) term. But it doesn't appear in
> the
>  > equaiton of ex13.
>  > 
>  > pan
>  > 
>  > 
>  > --- John Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > wrote:
>  > 
>  > > You mean how do you linearize it? Newton's
> method
>  > > and iterate
>  > > within each timestep. 
>  > > -J
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > li pan writes:
>  > >  > hi Roy,
>  > >  > thanx for the explaination. But how did you
> solve
>  > > ((u
>  > >  > * grad)u, v)_Omega? It's a square term. I
> heard
>  > > there
>  > >  > are some other methods, streamline, least
> square
>  > > FEM
>  > >  > ...  I would like to hear your comments.
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > pan 
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > --- Roy Stogner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > > 
>  > >  > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, li pan wrote:
>  > >  > > 
>  > >  > > > I've worked with Newton type flow
> equation.
>  > > To
>  > >  > > make it
>  > >  > > > sure, I would like to know the exact
>  > > expression of
>  > >  > > > equation in ex13. Can you tell me?
>  > >  > > 
>  > >  > > The system of equations with variables
> (u,p) is
>  > > :
>  > >  > > (partial u)/(partial t) = - (u * grad)u -
>  > > div(sigma)
>  > >  > > div(u) = 0
>  > >  > > 
>  > >  > > Where sigma is the stress tensor
> (normalized to
>  > > have
>  > >  > > unit viscosity)
>  > >  > > sigma = ((grad(u) + transpose(grad(u)))/2
> - pI)
>  > >  > > 
>  > >  > > Then the weak form we use in ex13 and
> ex18,
>  > > with
>  > >  > > test functions (v,q)
>  > >  > > is:
>  > >  > > ((partial u)/(partial t), v)_Omega = - ((u
> *
>  > > grad)u,
>  > >  > > v)_Omega
>  > >  > >    + (sigma, grad v)_Omega + (sigma * n,
>  > > v)_dOmega
>  > >  > > (div(u), q) = 0
>  > >  > > 
>  > >  > > In ex13 we use Dirichlet boundaries
> everywhere,
>  > > so v
>  > >  > > = 0 on the
>  > >  > > boundary and we drop the dOmega term. 
>  > > Otherwise,
>  > >  > > you'd substitute
>  > >  > > into that term the natural boundary
> condition:
>  > >  > > sigma * n = 0
>  > >  > > 
>  > >  > > which is actually what David wanted in the
>  > > first
>  > >  > > place.  ;-)
>  > >  > > 
>  > >  > > You know, we probably ought to have
> something
>  > > like
>  > >  > > this in the
>  > >  > > comments heading examples 13 and 18.  "The
>  > >  > > Navier-Stokes equations" is
>  > >  > > definitive enough, but the fact that we
>  > > integrate
>  > >  > > all of sigma
>  > >  > > (including the pressure term) by parts
> isn't
>  > > set in
>  > >  > > stone.
>  > >  > > ---
>  > >  > > Roy
>  > >  > > 
>  > >  > >
>  > >  >
>  > >
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