Linux-Advocacy Digest #291, Volume #30 Sat, 18 Nov 00 04:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I WANT WIN2k drivers! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Charlie Ebert)
Re: OS stability ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OS stability ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OS stability ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux Sux (Gardiner Family)
Re: Windows SUX (Gardiner Family)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 03:08:13 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : And apache doesn't take advantage of anything on Unix?
>
> You mean other than the fact that Unix spawns processes quickly
AND context-switches much faster as well...
> enough that there's no point in wasting time coding for threads
> like IIS has to?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: I WANT WIN2k drivers!
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 03:11:41 -0500
Quantum Leaper wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Quantum Leaper wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Quantum Leaper wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Marc Richter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:52:24 GMT, Quantum Leaper
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >"Milton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > >> On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:51:04 +1000, "steve erntner"
> > > > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >how hard is it to get drivers for aztech sound cards???
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> In Linux, it's relatively simple.
> > > > > > >> http://lhd.zdnet.com/db/searchproduct.cgi?_catid=12
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >Linux does seem to support alot of discontinued products.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> >all i want are win2k drivers for em...but do they exist?
> > > > > > >nooooooooooooooooo
> > > > > > >> >im about to break down and cry
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Don't use second-rate OS's and you won't be easily
> disappointed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >He shouldn't have bought from a second rate sound card company,
> > > Aztech
> > > > > went
> > > > > > >out of business over a year ago.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * alert! alert! Double-standard detected! *
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You know, one of the points about Windows *.* that is always
> harped
> > > upon
> > > > > > is how great driver support happens to be for peripherals. That
> > > > > > vendors make Windows drivers first and everyone else gets sloppy
> > > > > > seconds, if anything at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > If you want a good legacy driver support than use Win9x not Win2K.
> > > Also if
> > > > > you read my other message I give him a suggestion on a driver to
> TRY,
> > > which
> > > > > was a Sound Blaster 16 driver. NT or 2K doesn't have the greatest
> > > driver
> > > > > support but it a hell of alot more stable than Win9x.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm got an ATI Rage Fury Pro that's less than a year old. Still
> > > doesn't
> > > > > > have non-beta 3D Win2k drivers. And the beta level drivers are
> very
> > > buggy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Who fault is that? Microsofts or ATI (who writes the driver)?
> > > >
> > > > It really doesn't matter.
> > > >
> > > Your right, considering Window 2K does support Aztech sound cards, I
> > > checked.
> > >
> > > > It just puts the lie to the claim that Microsoft has the drivers
> > > > for everything...and the other lie that Microsoft drivers are better
> > > > than drivers for competing OS's.
> > > >
> > > Considering Windows 2K does have driver for Aztech sound cards....
> >
> > Top borrow a favorie line from Losedows advocates: Who needs that?
> >
>
> I guess ANSWERING the person question was the wrong way to go.... Your
> right who need Linux! BTW like I said before Aztech sounds are just alittle
> bit better than Zoltrax sound card, which my friend couldn't get to work
</MS-LoseDOS advocacy>
Why would you deal with such inferior crap?
Anybody with a brain buys only SoundBlaster. Who the fuck needs choice?
> under ANY OS, Windows, Linux and others.
>
> BTW I believe every OS has it place.
really.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 03:22:35 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8v11sm$3k4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Do you use Linux?
> > >>
> > >> Yes
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > If yes, then you've used a "version" of Unix which doesn't have ACLs.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> No
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > HP-UX? HP-UX doesn't have ACLs without special add-ons. Even if it
> > >> > does have ACLs (new improvement?) it isn't up to snuff because it
> > >> > isn't even considered for audit by the TSEC.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> HP, yes
> >
> > > Not by default.
> >
> > What? "default"? Chad, youve never even SEEN HP/UX. Stop pretending
> > you have; you're making yourself look extremely foolish.
>
> If I were to buy an HP server with HPUX on it, would it come with
> ACLs as the default security implementation? Would the filesystem
There is no "default security implementation" on HP-UX.
YOU SELECT your security level during installation.
> on which most of the OS ran (where the root partition was mounted)
> have ACLs, or is it just supported mildly for special circumstances?
>
> It appears, HFS is the only filesystem which supports ACLs according
> to a few IT Help Forum on HP's site, is this correct? It also appears
> that the newest version of JFS for HP-UX 11 (JFS 3.3) now supports
> ACLs.
>
> Is DAC an overridding security principle in HP-UX, or is ACLs just
> a token gesture in an attempt to modernize Unix security?
>
> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 08:26:26 GMT
Ha! Ha! There goes CM again!
Are we a mainframe Systems Administrator this week Chad?
Isn't it a little too soon to be leaving that Oracle DBA
spot you were in just 3 months ago?
Charlie
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:8v11sm$3k4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Do you use Linux?
>> > >>
>> > >> Yes
>> > >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > If yes, then you've used a "version" of Unix which doesn't have ACLs.
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >> No
>> > >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > HP-UX? HP-UX doesn't have ACLs without special add-ons. Even if it
>> > >> > does have ACLs (new improvement?) it isn't up to snuff because it
>> > >> > isn't even considered for audit by the TSEC.
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >> HP, yes
>> >
>> > > Not by default.
>> >
>> > What? "default"? Chad, youve never even SEEN HP/UX. Stop pretending
>> > you have; you're making yourself look extremely foolish.
>>
>> If I were to buy an HP server with HPUX on it, would it come with
>> ACLs as the default security implementation? Would the filesystem
>
>There is no "default security implementation" on HP-UX.
>
>YOU SELECT your security level during installation.
>
>
>> on which most of the OS ran (where the root partition was mounted)
>> have ACLs, or is it just supported mildly for special circumstances?
>>
>> It appears, HFS is the only filesystem which supports ACLs according
>> to a few IT Help Forum on HP's site, is this correct? It also appears
>> that the newest version of JFS for HP-UX 11 (JFS 3.3) now supports
>> ACLs.
>>
>> Is DAC an overridding security principle in HP-UX, or is ACLs just
>> a token gesture in an attempt to modernize Unix security?
>>
>> -Chad
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 03:28:45 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:31:34 -0500
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Stuart Fox wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <8um3k5$onk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > In article <ColP5.7666$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> > >
> >> > > I suppose you don't change the oil in your car either. The whole
> >> Oil
> >> > > Changing thing is a ruse designed to sell more oil and is completely
> >> > > unneccesary. Right?
> >> >
> >> > I don't have oil in my computer! I don't have ANYTHING that REQUIRES
> >> > regular changing. Please povide documented evidance were a computer
> >> > manufacture recomends changing ANYTHING the way car manufactures
> >> > recomend changing OIL!
> >> >
> >> > Your loosing it franky!
> >> >
> >>
> >> Whoosh!
> >>
> >> What was that?
> >>
> >> Just another analogy shooting over Matt's head...
> >
> >What part of a computer needs regular maitenance, exactly?
>
> Well, the hardware might need an occasional dusting -- blow it
> out with a non-static dry air can, for example. (I'm not sure
> what the "official term" is, but they're available at electronics
> stores such as Fry's in my area; all they do is blow dry compressed
> air or nitrogen, I'm not quite sure which.) That way, heat
> buildup is reduced -- dust is too good an insulator to leave
> lying around. :-) I might consider doing this once a year --
> although I for one seem never to do it anyway. There are
> some issues that may modify this timeline; in particular, if
> one lives in an extremely dusty area, or uses a HEPA air filter
> in one's lab, the time between dustings may be reduced or
> increased accordingly.
This can be done with the system up and running.
>
> Also, the usual crud such as cleaning out /tmp and /var/tmp
> occasionally -- while not strictly necessary, it's interesting
Done every day or week by cron--no need take the machine down.
> what goop collects there after awhile -- and perhaps backing up
> and rotating the logs in /var/log. One might also go
Done every day or week by cron--no need take the machine down.
> core file hunting, and of course periodic backups using
> tar, cpio, or pax. (I happen to use a Syquest Syjet for
> that purpose; I've pretty much given up on DAT tapes.)
Done every day. No need to take the machine down.
>
> If one is so inclined, one might periodically verify the MD5
> signatures of some executables ('md5sum --check=wherever') to assure
> that a hacker hasn't played "insert Trojan Horse here".
> One might also do an e2fsck or similar type check on volumes on
> an occasional basis (one has to unmount them first, unfortunately),
> and also update the 'locate' database.
Done whenever the fuck you feel like it...again, no need to
take the machine down.
>
> If one maintains an innd newsspool, there are additional issues
> which mostly relate to expiring old articles and getting new ones.
None of which necessitate taking the machine down.
>
> While all this may sound incredibly picky to the average Windows user,
> most of this can be set up in various cron jobs. In fact,
> updating the 'locate' database is usually already part of
> a standard Linux installation, and innd installation instructions
> include how to set up cron entries for expiration, last I looked
> (it's been awhile). And of course the md5sum check can be
> shoved into a script and pretty much left there.
precisely.
>
> Note that none of these absolutely require a shutdown, except
> for verifying the root partition -- but the root partition should
Actually, you can run fsck on a mounted root partition.
> be a small partition anyway (about 100 MB), IMO; /usr, /var and
> /home should be mounted elsewhere. That way, if something
> goes wrong with the root partition, one can rebuild it and not
> lose all of one's work. One could even have an emergency backup
> root partition for just such a problem; while it does require
> a reboot, it would allow the root partition to be fixed without
> having it mounted. (Redhat, and I think Debian as well, just
> do a check to ensure the root partition's integrity; if it fails,
> it mounts it read-only and dumps one into a maintenance login mode
> where one types in the root password and is then expected to issue
> e2fsck manually, or do something even more drastic.)
>
> One might quibble that there's a difference between maintaining
> a computer, and the data and programs that the computer holds.
> I'd have to agree that there is a difference, but I did want
> to at least try to cover all bases.
>
> One might also note that the above is for Linux systems.
> I don't know that much about maintaining Windows systems,
> although I suspect it would be even simpler, except for
> that damned monolithic registry and the absolutely
> brain-dead block allocation scheme used in FAT, VFAT, and
> FAT32 file systems. (NTFS is merely brain-damaged, and has
> a different set of problems.) I may never know the
Dain Bramage at Microsoft.... it is required.
> details; I'm not sure I care. (One nice thing about Win95:
> one can back it up using tar while Linux is running. :-) )
>
> [.sigsnip]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random answer to rhetorical questions here :-)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 03:30:42 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Every machine I have worked on for the last several years has been
> > keep powered up continously for years, unless there was a failure
> > on the motherboard.
>
> Wow. Every machine you've ever worked on has been continuously powered up
> for years. That's amazing. You not only completely beat out every
> statistic known to man, but have never applied a kernel patch either. Ever.
>
> Now we know what kind of an engineer you are. One that has never done his
> job.
You write this as if you think patching a kernal is like patching
a hole in the hull of a ship, necessitating drydock operations.
Clue for the fucking clueless:
Kernal patches are nothing more than updated kernal source code,
followed by a re-compile.....followed by a reboot.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 03:33:54 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Erik Funkenbusch
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 14 Nov 2000 01:48:50 -0600
> <666Q5.8182$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:eT5Q5.20481$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:%G4Q5.8168$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > > Every machine I have worked on for the last several years has been
> >> > > keep powered up continously for years, unless there was a failure
> >> > > on the motherboard.
> >> >
> >> > Wow. Every machine you've ever worked on has been continuously powered
> >up
> >> > for years. That's amazing. You not only completely beat out every
> >> > statistic known to man, but have never applied a kernel patch either.
> >> Ever.
> >>
> >> Even if you reboot after a kernel update there is no need to power
> >> cycle the machine. On unix/linux, you typically do such things
> >> remotely, so who's going to flip the switch back on? Lots of
> >> machines will power themselves off, but...
> >
> >In the context of this discussion, we're talking about never having to bring
> >down the OS. That precludes rebooting.
>
> Aaron's statement specifically mentions powering down. This is a
> weaker statement than never needing to reboot; even an NT box
> that BSOD's need not be powered down to reboot it; one need
> merely press The Button -- of course, it helps if the box which
> has the NT BSOD on its console isn't somewhere in Outer Siberia :-).
>
Funkendork is alleging that it's necessary to POWER DOWN a computer
for monthly maintenance.
Hell, even in the 1980's, Purdue ECN would keep Vaxes up for 6+ months
straight....with occasional (every other month) time in single user mode
to re-build filesystems to eliminate fragmentation...
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Sux
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:42:51 +1300
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I have a feeling this may be claire lynn and her new identity, or hypothetical/made
up "finding linux hard" user
<p>matt
<p>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>DOESN'T SUPPORT HARWARE.
<br>WON'T INSTALL ON MODERN SYSTIMS.
<br>DOESN'T WORK WITH PRINTORS OR MADAMS.
<br>SKANNERS DONT WORK.
<br>CAMRAS DON'T WORK.
<br>HAS NO SOUND.
<br>DOESN'T RUN GAMES.
<br>HAS 100 DIFFERNT EDITERS BUT NO DECENT BROWSER.
<br>IS BUILT BY LUSERS FOR LUSERS.
<p>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
<p>LINUKS SUKX.....
<p>LEE</blockquote>
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows SUX
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:49:50 +1300
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I'd like to know who actually changed their OS from UNIX (for Alpha/MIPS/Apple)
considering diddly squat software was ever written for NT that ran on these
processors.
<p>matt
<p>Jake Taense wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>In article <8v46c3$3idee$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<br>>DOESN'T SUPPORT HARDWARE FULLY ( I can run at 110hz refresh
rate under
<br>>linux but on this windoze shite it only goes up to 75hz)
<br>>DOESN'T SUPPORT MODERN PROCESSORS ( linux supports ARM, PowerPC, R3000,
New
<br>>Unreleased Intel 64 bit processor - and will soon support amd IA32-64
chip
<br>>yet windoze can only run on old fashioned intel chips).
<br>>CRASHES AT LEAST 3 TIMES PER DAY
<br>>DOESN'T RUN GAMES (without regular crashing)
<br>>ONLY HAS 2 CRAP EDITORS (without installing extra software)
<br>>NO DECENT BROWSER ( the unstable IE shite doesn't count )
<br>>NO DECENT WINDOW MANAGER (what if I hate explorer interface - how
do I
<br>>install Openstep, ICEWM, etc)
<br>>NO DECENT OFFICE PACKAGE (unless stupid enough to pay $300 for office2k).
<br>>IS BUILT BY MONOPOLISTS FOR PLONKERS
<br>>
<br>>WINDOWS SUX
<br>>
<br>>NIGEL
<p>Oooo - you rebel! Posting an anti-windows message in a linux advocacy
group!
<br>Wow - I'm always impressed when somebody sticks their neck out like
that...
<p>Can you pat your own back, or would you like somebody else to help you?
<p>Incidently, if you're gonna post stuff, at least verify you are correct.
<p>Windows doesn't crash 3 times per day, and it runs a great many games
without
<br>crashing. IE is more stable than Netscape - and is quite stable overall.
<br>Windows has several alternate desktops available. Several alternative
office
<br>packages are available. Windows supports hardware better than linux
does, and
<br>runs monitors at any frequency the hardware supports.
<p>There are some terrific editors out there (like UltraEdit for instance),
you
<br>simply have to pay for them. Some, particularly java ones, are cross-platform
<br>and work fine on Windows.
<p>The only point you make with any validity is that it doesn't support
<br>processors other than Intel x86-line ones - unless you mean NT, which
<br>supports several others.
<p>In short, you don't know what you're talking about.</blockquote>
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