Linux-Advocacy Digest #164, Volume #32 Tue, 13 Feb 01 01:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Interesting article (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: You're not just Whistler, XP! (Bloody Viking)
Re: I just realized why Google bought Deja.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Interesting article (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop (Bloody Viking)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Interesting article (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:29:17 -0500
Mike Byrns wrote:
>
> "Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 02:16:28 GMT, "Chad Myers"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:11:39 GMT, "Mike Byrns"
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Linux implementations
> > >> >are by definition "amateur" as they are done as a pastime rather than
> as a
> > >> >profession.
> > >>
> > >> Then what's it say about MS's so-called "professional" programmers,
> > >> that these "amateur" linux programmers stole 30% of MS's Server
> > >> market? <chortle!>
> > >
> > >Even though I know you're just being facetious, to be completely
> > >accurate, Linux stole market share from other Unixes. Windows'
> > >market share hasn't declined, in fact continues to rise.
> >
> > I could argue with that - but it's more fun pointing out that you're
> > saying that "professionally written" Windows NT wasn't able to grab
> > that percentage of the market away from Unix, while "non-professional"
> > linux was. :-)
>
> For those folks running commercial UNIces linux was a natural. The barriers
> to entry were almost non-existant. Remeber that most tech folks in UNIX
> shops are constantly battling initiatives from the business side that carry
> a lower pricetag when done on NT. The UNIX back shop has to constantly
> defend their knowledge base and keep NT out or have their bloated IT
> salaries look ridiculously out of proportion to the same talent on Windows.
"Bloated" Salaries for UNIX people?
Sorry...but the Windows support assholes are only 10% as productive as
the
typical Unix person...by that measure, Windows support personell should
have salaries in the $3,000-$10,000 / year range.
Anything more is slary bloat for the non-productive MS platform.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: You're not just Whistler, XP!
Date: 13 Feb 2001 05:30:44 GMT
T. Max Devlin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Codenames are arbitrary. In fact, due to some of the trademark issues,
: you want them to be bad, as well as arbitrary. I think a collision may
: eventually occur between trademark issues and anti-trust issues simply
: because codenames are bandied about so readily these days they could
: effectively turn into pre-announcements, if they are chosen in order to
: be attractive.
If "whistler" is referring to the pay per view software concept, a much better
codename for it would be "Operation Foot Bullet". Besides being unattractive a
codename, it would be accurate albeit an understatement. The pay per view ware
would be more like shooting yourself in the foot with a nuclear missile. (see
other thread on details about workings of nukes...)
I guess "whistler" is a lame attempt at hiding the word "whistleblower" as a
reference to it "whistling" if you dare not pay your tithe. In the other
"whistler"/".NET" thread I got that exact impression.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.religion.kibology,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: I just realized why Google bought Deja.com
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:34:31 -0500
Mikal 606 wrote:
>
> "Leeb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > You know, I betcha the fine folks at Google are going to grep Usenet
> > posts for URLs and use them as pointers to stuff on the Web.
> >
> > Too wild.
> >
> > leeb
> >
>
> Well ``leeb", if that IS your real name, allow me to label that one steaming
> hunk of rancid balogona.
> You see, it is that like all entranced entities, Google must be searching
> for the ``end point", said end point being the beginning from the actual
> starting point that hasnt happened yet.
In other words....Google is searching for the mother of all web pages?
> And then pressing the little buBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM
>
> HTH,HAND,IYKWIM,AITYD!
>
> > --
> > Leeb * Keeper of the Great Renaming FAQ
> > Http://www.mindspring.com/~bumgarls/ "{My parents} embarrassed
> > the hell out of me, and I swore I would grow up to be normal.
> > But what's written in one's DNA cannot be denied. Thirty years later,
> > I am a 46-year-old Jewish bisexual priestess of eco-feminist
> > witchcraft." --Washington Post
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:35:11 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Said Mike Byrns in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:08:10
> > [...]
> >>Perhaps they, not you, define legality? I don't think that the USGov is
> >>"scared" in any way. Triffled yes.
> >
> >Parsing error:Microsoft is the scared one.
> >
> Excuse my butting in here but what is "Triffled" ?
very very mildly effected.
>
> --
> How much do we need to pay you to screw Netscape?
> - BILL GATES, to AOL in a 1996 meeting
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:39:29 -0500
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Tom Wilson in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:59:33
> [T. Max:]
> >> They're sock puppets. They've made their money in the MS world, and are
> >> terrified they would be incapable of doing so in a non-MS world. Plus,
> >> their money is still tied to MS, generally, which re-enforces their
> >> fear. Like Gates and Palmer, they watch their stock value shrink, and
> >> they think of Linux, and they'll say or try to believe anything to avoid
> >> confronting the reality that Windows is doomed.
> >
> >I make money off of them too by developing software and I certainly don't
> >have any sympathy for developers worried about their next paycheck if
> >Windows development should dry up in the future. If you can't adapt - Find
> >a new line of work. As for stockholders losing money - That kind of goes
> >with the territory. If THEY can't adapt, there's always a bridge or
> >skyscraper.
>
> The world does not consist solely of developers and stockholders, but
> your point is not lost. Still, its not really relevant, either;
> developers would not make very good sock puppets to begin with.
>
> They make their money by selling out to MS; that cash is going to dry up
> if MS is not allowed to monopolize, and it has nothing to do with
> technology.
Booo-fucking-hoo. They chose to hitch their wagon to the demon-spawn,
and then, eventually, to padlock the hitches....
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Date: 13 Feb 2001 05:41:01 GMT
Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I think, if MS really pulls a stunt like that, they will be in for a rather
: nasty surprise.
It's already in progress. Companies now hire consultants to come in and make
sure the company is compliant with the extortion-like software licensing. That
same software police have "truces" from time to time even! See:
http://www.bsatruce.org (or .com I forgot which)
These buggers are as serious about collecting their "protection money" as a
crime syndicate.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 05:50:20 GMT
In article <5H0i6.30249$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:96998r$9v6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> >But you are the exception to the norm. Even if there were a
>> >thousand people like you, it still so insignificant as to be
>> >almost not worth talking about. Less than one percent of one percent
>> >or something like that.
>>
>> If a thousand people were less than one percent of one percent, then the
>> total sample size would have to be larger than 10 million.
>>
>> Nice own goal, Chad :)
>
>You proved my point for me. There are tens of millions of computer
>users, of which only a couple hundred thousand are day-to-day
>Linux users.
>
>That's less than one percent of one percent. Even the more reason
>to ignore the Penguinistas.
>
>-Chad
>
The current estimate of Linux users world wide is 12% of the
total PC user population. Thank you!
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
/ / __ __ __ __ __ __ __
/ /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ /
/_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\
http://www.debian.org
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:50:45 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Pete Goodwin (imekon@$$$REMOVE$$$.freeuk.com) wrote:
>
> : You only need to phone them in if you're not on the Internet. Otherwise you
> : can do it that way.
>
> No thanks. I'll just use Slackware. You forget something. Maybe some people
> are SICK AND TIRED OF GIVING OUT PERSONAL INFORMATION. I'm one of them. I use
Damn straight.
> cash as much as possible these days. I use no "preferred customer card". I'm
Same hear. I am absolutely repulsed by the idea of a supermarket
keeping
track of what particular items I, as an individual, purchase at their
store.
They know what their sales rates are. They have absolutely *NO* good
reason
to know exactly who purchased what item, other than for the purpose of
being
extremely invasive.
> damn near to the point of using an alias when shopping with fake address when
> asked for that information. I no longer answer the phone due to telemarketers,
Caller ID is good for this.
> letting a fax carrier put my number into a killfile list for the scum to
> trade. Or, they get a busy signal.
>
> : >Future versions of MS software (upgrades, service packs*, add-ons) will
> : >only be available online through .NET. This looks like an attempt by MS
> : >to force people to pay for software on a monthly basis - like cable TV.
>
> : Yuk!!!
>
> Now you get the idea. Sucks, doesn't it. It's your choice. Get assimilated by
> the borg that sucks your wallet dry like a black hole or pick up that Linux
> album and install floppies. Now, go to a computer store to the _Linux_
> section and free yourself from the titanium fist of the MS-Borg(tm) v.1.0.
>
> Once monthly payments come about, what's next? Pop-up banner crap as you work?
> Pay per save? Where does MS-Greed(tm) end? When Microsoft owns the entire
> planet, making it MS-Earth(tm) v.1.0?
>
> : Yeah, you'll need the phone here as you cut yourself off when you changed
> : Network card. Can you image how _swamped_ Microsoft's lines will become if
> : this ever sees the light of day?
>
> MS could always have a 1-900 line in China. Just call for your launch codes
> and you get auto-billed - and the operators make pennies an hour. Maybe
> MS-Echelon(tm) will catch that idea... or the server BSODs.
>
> : Hmmm... maybe. Trouble is, people just accept things like this and carry
> : on.
>
> Or will shitcan computers en masse, making for lots of computers for us Linux
> fans to make into clusters by dumpster diving.
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 05:53:51 GMT
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.setup Zsolt Zsoldos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > A lot of RPM packages, that I could download from the net were packaged
> > with a newer version of RPM and the one included in Mandrake 7.1 could
not
>
> Then they were not mandrake packages surely?
>
> > handle them. Funny, that even the new version of 'rpm' was packed with
>
> This is a traditional RH trick. They've done it at least twice before
> that I can remember. One was round about RH 4.1 time, if I recall ...
> You need a "stepping stone" . in this case it is a special rpm
> version that can read the old DB format but unpack the new rpm.
> It's on mandrakes (rh's?) site.
>
> > that, so I've seen no way to get around this problem other than upgrade
>
> Well, you could have compiled the new rpm. But why bother? You can
> unpack rpms easily enough, and then repack them to your hearts content.
> I agree that they were incredibly stupid to pull this trick, but they
> were probably completely unaware. Same as RH's compiler trick, no?
>
> > to 7.2 which had a newer rpm in it. OK, I bought Mandrake "COMPLETE"
> > the 4CD version from Macmillan Software. Compared to my previous 2CD
> > version 7.1. it is rather incomplete!
>
> Yes. It is incomplete. It's a beta meted out to fulfil contractual
> deadlines with Walmart. The one on the net is the complete version.
>
> > In conclusion: Mandrake 7.2 provides a very flashy install and boot
system,
>
> No ... it's not the mandrake 7.2, it's the walmart package that you
> picked up. Hobsons choice.
Which you can find sitting on shelves at Staples and OfficeMax as well....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 05:55:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, J Sloan wrote:
>Chad Myers wrote:
>
>> But it has. It has grabbed a significant amount of server share from
>> Unix. When NT 4.0 was released, NT made up less than 2% of the
>> server market. It now makes up a majority, IIRC. If not, close to it.
>
>You're sadly mistaken - windows nt has gained market share
>solely at the expense of other pc operating systems such as
>netware, OS2 and windows for workgroups.
>
>> There was, is, and always will be a strong Unix contingent just
>> because Unix admins are blockheads and refuse to use whatever's
>> best, only Unix. However, Linux is a suitable alternative, so
>> this is why Unix has made in-roads. It's not unix, but it's
>> close enough and it's a lot cheaper than Solaris or HP-UX.
>
>It's not Unix by a lawyer's definition, but it's Unix by
>a techie definition, to be sure. and it's the fastest
>developing Unix in existence.
>
>jjs
>
With 250,000 developers working on Linux world wide, it
has become humankinds largest software project ever.
It certaintly has to be within the top 30 projects of
all mankind.
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
/ / __ __ __ __ __ __ __
/ /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ /
/_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\
http://www.debian.org
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:52:44 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Salvador Peralta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:967va9$33i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Jan Johanson quoth:
> >
> > > Anyone suggesting Linux is making inroads at the (successful)
> > > enterprise level is just plain nutz...
> >
> > Tell it to IDC:
> >
> > "Linux servers are now embedded in the Internet infrastructure and are
> > strong comepetition for nt and unix entry servers."
>
> "entry" is the key word here.
>
> > The majority of Linux users surveyed also cited four nines availability
> > with Linux, or less than one hour of unexpected downtime per year."
>
> And Linux users (Penguinistas) have never been known to exaggerate or
> lie to further their cause. Basically the claim of stability is just
> that, a claim. IDC has not cited conclusive proof that there is, in fact,
> "four nines" availability with Linux. Hearsay, really.
>
> > SuSe and Corel got outcompeted by Redhat and IBM in the US corporate
> > markets, and by Redhat and Mandrake in the US home user market. Corel,
> > Applix, and others found that they could not compete with gnome or kde
> > in the application development arena. I believe that netscape may one
> > day discover this as well.
>
> Of course, the entire market including OS and apps is under ten million
> or so, so it's really not worth talking about.
>
> > There is no question that linux is a superior paradigm for the end user
> > who is a professional developer or engineer.
>
> Yes, there is a question. If I switched to Linux right now, I would
> see an instant 100% drop in productivity. Why? Not because of the
> learning curve. I'll even give you a bone and forget about that part
> for now. Why else, then? Because there are no good development IDEs
> on Linux. I use Visual J++ on Windows to develop java, and then
> compile the Sun JDK 1.3 compiler to get 100% pure java classes. The
> VJ++ IDE is awesome though because of pop-up method/field lists, the
> pop-up function references with javadoc comments included, among
> many other features. The only closest editor that's this good is
> JEdit that I've found at least. EMacs has too steep a learning curve
> and I'd be fighting my editor, which I don't want to do. I want
> my editor to work for me, not the other way around.
>
> > Linux *IS* more stable than windows
>
> Hardly. Windows9x maybe, but not 2000.
>
> > You *CAN* integrate your own applications into the system.
>
> But who has the time.
>
> > The tools *ARE* better, and this *WILL* make you more productive.
>
> Most of the tools that I use on Linux I can get for Windows as well.
> I have grep, make, and many others. Other than those type of tools,
> Linux really isn't all that useful.
>
> > Compared to what I have now, my windows pc was a toy.
>
> Well, then you really don't know what you're talking about. You're
> a Unix guy who doesn't have a clue about Windows and feels the need
> to bash it unfairly to hide his own ignorance.
You complete fucking idiot.....
Name even *ONE* person in modern computing who isn't familiar
with Windows....you shit-for-brains oxygen thief.
>
> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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