Linux-Advocacy Digest #181, Volume #32 Tue, 13 Feb 01 23:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Interesting article (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Answer this if you can...
Re: Answer this if you can... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter ("Guillermo Auad")
Re: Answer this if you can...
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (mlw)
Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS ("Chad Myers")
Re: Interesting article ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ("Chad Myers")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Chad Myers")
Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50 (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter (Mike Martinet)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ("Jan Johanson")
Re: Interesting article ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Michael Vester)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:58:43 GMT
Mike Byrns wrote:
>
> I say you are wrong. Post proof to disprove me or accept my assertion.
Why don't you post proof yourself, or accept his assertion?
Cuts both ways, Aristotle.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:59:20 -0000
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 07:52:13 +0100, John Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:47:36 -0500, "David L. Johnson"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>If the name of the program is "foobar" go to an open xterm window and type
>>
>>foobar &
>>
>>followed by the return key. Should work.
>>
>Only if PATH was updated.
No, if the application installed itself right.
It will either be in the PATH or there will be a "shortcut"
to it in the path.
[deletia]
This is no different than the possibility of some intern
botching an installshield script.
--
>
> ...then there's that NSA version of Linux...
This would explain the Mars polar lander problem.
Kyle Jacobs, COLA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:05:51 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:20:25 +0100, "Pedro Duato"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Have you ever tried man rpm and the query options ? Or using the
>>verbose installation ?
>
> No, GnoRPM did not offer it.
>>
>> export PATH=./:$PATH ... not a very good example.
>>
> Trivial in fact.
He wasn't implying that it is a 'trivial' example. It is a bad example
but do you know why?
>>> I want to copy a line of text from my xterm window (or browser window)
>>> to another app ... forget it! EVERY Windows app can cut & paste to
>>> another app, why not Linux? This is CRIMINAL!
>>
>> Another wrong example : Linux can copy/paste from both consoles
>>and graphical applications (gpm), not to talk about KDE or GNOME.
>
> Simply not true! Try copying to/from xterm, Netscape, vi.
It simply is true. Do you know how many people have used xterm, Netscape and vi
for years. They must be 3 of the most used applications ever. And you are
trying to say that cut and paste doesn't work? You are clearly a lying troll.
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From: "Guillermo Auad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,redhat.networking.general
Subject: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:04:24 -0800
I have RHat 7.0 installed on my IBM thinkpad and when I type
% ifconfig eth0 (or eth1)
it does not find the card. The card, a 3Com 10/100 PCI Mini Ethernet
adapter works properly when I boot Windows 2000 on the same laptop.
Any ideas? please, reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
thx.
Guillermo.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:04:19 -0000
On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:47:36 -0500, David L. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>John Muir wrote:
>
>> <Examples>
>>
>> I install some RPM package or other and at the end of the
>> install...NOTHING... where is the bloody thing?
>
>You want an icon to appear, right? You have been brainwashed. Compters can
>actually interpret commands, not just mouse clicks.
Actually, if you run a named program under WindowMaker it will
automagically create a desktop icon for you. You can then drag
that icon to other parts of the desktop for permanent storage.
>
>> How do I start it?
>
>If the name of the program is "foobar" go to an open xterm window and type
>
>foobar &
>
>followed by the return key. Should work.
[deletia]
>> I can't get the delete key to delete the character to the RIGHT of the
>> insertion cursor in X.
>
>This can be configured, but you have to read the f*ing manual.
>
>> That I should even have to know such
>> arcane crap in 2001 is a total mystery to me.
>
>You don't.
I haven't had that particular problem since about 1996.
[deletia]
--
Section 8. The Congress shall have power...
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for
limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their
respective writings and discoveries;
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:17:08 -0500
Boris Dynin wrote:
>
> > There is no question that linux is a superior paradigm for the end user
> > who is a professional developer or engineer. Linux *IS* more stable
> > than windows. You *CAN* integrate your own applications into the
> > system. The tools *ARE* better, and this *WILL* make you more
> > productive.
> >
> > Compared to what I have now, my windows pc was a toy.
> I'm a developer. Never used Linux in my life (and not going to). I got Sun
> workstation on my desk (and 5 NT/W2k PCs). I'm tremendously more productive
> on Windows than on Sun. MS development tools are the best of breed in my
> opinion (I'm talking about Visual Studio 6); I'm a C++ programmer. Visual
> C++ IDE is light years ahead of vi, emacs, gdb. As for Unix utilities: awk,
> perl, etc. - there are Windows versions which I use all the time (awk).
I am an ex-windows developer. I HATE the whole visual studio vision Microsoft
has. It feels like driving a very well appointed motor home.
The one thing that Linux lacks is a very good standard dialog box
editor/resource paradigm. Other than that, the MS debugger is good for the
simplest of bugs, when you have a "real" bugs, it is useless and you have to
dig out SoftIce. The GNU debugger is better than the visual studio debugger, it
is not point and click, and it can be annoying, but you can find real hard bugs
with it.
The visual studio project stuff is a joke, the project building is a joke, the
whole thing falls apart the instance you have to manage multiple people working
on a project, and the editor sucks.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:02:25 GMT
"chrisv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >"chrisv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> To you, sir, I say, "wake up and smell the coffee".
> >> >
> >> >BLACK HELIOCOPTERS! HERE THEY COME, RUN FOR COVER!
> >>
> >> Yep, we're all paranoid. Microsoft doesn't really want to monopolize
> >> things. They don't want to maximize the amount of money they make.
> >
> >You make it to seem like they have a secret army that will invade
> >your house if you don't buy their products.
>
> Umm..... You're the one who brought up the "black helicopters",
> dorkweed.
Because you were the doomsdayer. I was making fun of you. Did you
flunk kindergarten or something?
-Chad
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:03:03 GMT
"chrisv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >There was, is, and always will be a strong Unix contingent just
> >because Unix admins are blockheads and refuse to use whatever's
> >best, only Unix.
>
> LOL! Right. It's got NOTHING to do with it being the best tool for
> the job...
In many cases, it's not, but don't tell a Unix blockhead or a
penguinista that!
-Chad
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:09:38 GMT
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Mrbi6.100$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:XPai6.31992$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Nic Bellamy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Chad Myers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Nic Bellamy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > These are the kind of figures that you can't find just by looking at
> CD
> > > > > sales. Sure, some may get experimented with once and put on the
> shelf to
> > > > > collect dust, but there are also a lot of people around that install
> > > > > several machines from a single CD.
> > > >
> > > > But you are the exception to the norm. Even if there were a
> > > > thousand people like you, it still so insignificant as to be
> > > > almost not worth talking about. Less than one percent of one percent
> > > > or something like that.
> > >
> > > But 250 x 1000 is still 250,000 machines :-)
> >
> > Which is really insignificant. There are probably near that many
> > Amigas out there (in fact, probably more because of the Toaster),
> > and about as many Atari 6400's.
> >
> > > For every person like me, there are probably 10 or more who install 25,
> > > and maybe a hundred or more who install 2 or 3. The numbers add up...
> >
> > ... to a rather insignificant amount which really isn't large enough
> > to talk about.
> >
> > > I really have no idea how many machines out there are running Linux, all
> > > I know is that I'm seeing and installing more and more of it, and our
> > > LUG meetings keep having to move to bigger venues ;-)
> >
> > Because it's a fad. People have been buying Razor scooters like gold,
> > but it will die off as well.
>
> It's been around for what, 9 some old years now?
And it has yet to make any type of in-roads in anything. It has a
niche market in just about every market it's in. The only market
it's made any in-roads in is the basic Unix server market (DNS servers,
NNTP servers and other mundane tasks) and that's simply because
it's a cheaper Unix. (yes, I know it's not Unix...)
NT 4.0 is now 6 years old and has an anual sales figure of something
like 20 million (IIRC, I may be off a little).
Where's Linux?
> Growing in popularity and utilization with each one passing...
... very tiny growth and still niche popularity.
> Growing enough to attract a billion dollar investment from IBM...
... which doesn't really say much.
> Growing enough to finally cause MS some genuine, and if I may add, quite
> warranted concern (FUD overdrive)...
... don't underestimate MS. They're paying token attention to Linux,
but still, even at it's highest estimates, Linux makes up 5% to
MS's 95%. And MS is continually innovating. Have you see any documentation
on .NET? Seen the XP screen shots? Read about any of the new features
on XP? Way beyond whatever Linux is doing. Linux is kindergarten
paper mache compared to XP.
> Some fad...
Eh, 9 years is a long fad, but it hasn't really grown much in those
9 years. And most of the growth has been in just the last couple
months. It's a fad. Scooters have been around for many years now
and only recently they have become super popular. But, like Linux,
they're new-found popularity will fad and it will be put back
on the back shelves just like every other fad to come up.
-Chad
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:10:53 GMT
"Tim Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 01:30:45 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > >>
> > >>Because Chad here is obviously a sock puppet, and that sounds like a
> > >>sock puppet lying in support of One Microsoft Way.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >He's a WET sock puppet.
> >
> > That's .NET sock puppet. :-)
> >
> That's MISTER .NET sock puppet to, sonny. :-)
How childish. Now I know where the developers get their unprofessionalism
and childish-ness from. It's a club. You guys are just a bunch of
over-aged underachieving children who feel the need to attack what
makes them fear.
When you're done having your circle-jerk let me know and I can
put you in your place again.
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:54:45 GMT
In article <nIji6.1772$uY2.38478@news2-hme0>, Nigel wrote:
>Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Charlie Ebert wrote:
>> >
>> > http://www.slashdot.com
>> >
>> > This just posted. They've profected a 10.8 terabyte
>> > storage device the size of a credit card for $50.
>> > It's faster than any drive man has ever made.
>> >
>> > WHOOM! There went the world.
>> >
>>
>> Only as long as the power stays up.
>> Unlike a disk drive, it's NOT persistant memory.
>>
>
>Shame as I was hoping this would finally provide me with enough storage to
>do a full install of whistler ;-)
>
>
Sorry sir but this device is not on the Windows 2000 Pro hardware
compatibility list.
Thanks for playing.
You loose!
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:07:08 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Bloody Viking
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 13 Feb 2001 09:59:14 GMT
<96b0hi$hds$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>Joel Barnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>: Yes, I was very frustrated when all I had was Windows. Now that I am using
>: Linux, (Mandrake 7.2), things are much better.
>
>Goes to show, even a hosed Linux distro is better than Windows! Sort of like
>in 1994 when I had the choice of Windows or a hosed version of Slackware 2.2
>from a SAMS book. (and it was a hosed version of a hosed distro to boot) I
>still chose the Linux. After all, once you remove the last AOL Disk(tm) and
>boot the Linux, it runs.
Don't forget SLS. That's the one I started on; it was messed
up from the word go, but worked well enough.
There probably was something before that, too. (How did Linus compile
the first kernel? :-) )
>
>--
>FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
>The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
>The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 9d:15h:35m actually running Linux.
No electrons were harmed during this message.
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From: Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,redhat.networking.general
Subject: Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:14:20 -0700
Guillermo Auad wrote:
>
> I have RHat 7.0 installed on my IBM thinkpad and when I type
>
> % ifconfig eth0 (or eth1)
>
> it does not find the card. The card, a 3Com 10/100 PCI Mini Ethernet
> adapter works properly when I boot Windows 2000 on the same laptop.
>
> Any ideas? please, reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> thx.
>
> Guillermo.
Take a look at /etc/conf.modules.
Mine looks like this:
alias eth0 3c59x
alias eth1 3c59x
Those are the two ethernet cards installed and the module necessary to
handle them.
MjM
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: 13 Feb 2001 21:10:40 -0600
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The current estimate of Linux users world wide is 12% of the
> total PC user population. Thank you!
You're off a little, it's 1.2%
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:13:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Said Jerry McBride in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:11:04
>> > [...]
>> >>> IBM got lots right with OS/2, their marketing sucked big time.
>> >>
>> >>That, I totally agree with. If IBM had BIGGER BALLS and pushed a lot harder
>> >>when MicroSoft started their BS, I think all this crap with the DOJ and MS
>> >>would never have been an issue. IBM missed this target, BIG TIME. But then
>> >>again maybe Linux wouldn't be the same as it is now.
>> >
>> >This is where I jump in and point out that no amount of competitive
>> >action will counter anti-competitive actions. If the would-be
>> >monopolist has enough market power to wield monopoly power, they win; no
>> >amount of marketing or technical development will counter this.
>> >
>> Recall that IBM had just barely escaped being broken up in an
>> antitrust trial of their own.
>>
>> They knew that M$ was locking in a monopoly and that no amount of
>> competition could overcome that so they paid the extortion,
>> figuring that they had been around for over a hundred years and
>
>IBM has only been around since the 1920's or so.
>
Linkname: Key events timeline 1890-1938
URL: http://www.ibm.com/IBM/history/timeline.nsf/events1/
Since their company timeline starts in 1888, not with the name
International Business Machines I'll grant, they consider their
company to be over a hundred.
--
How much do we need to pay you to screw Netscape?
- BILL GATES, to AOL in a 1996 meeting
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:50:06 -0700
jtnews wrote:
>
> I just saw a news piece on Windows XP!
> Microsoft claims that it can run for days
> without crashing! Anyone have any real
> world experience with Windows XP?
> Is it really reliable?
>
> I already have 5 PC's at home all running
> Linux. I don't see why I need a new OS.
You will need 5 subscriptions (for $ yet unknown) and
preferably 5 new computers. You don't think Whistler is going
to install on anything less than a P3 with 256 megabytes?
Based on Microsoft's past performance, Windows XP should crash
about 1/2 as much as W2K. Using the same historical
perspective, you will need twice as much computer to achieve
the same performance. I don't see any reason at all to
participate in Microsoft's endless upgrades.
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:26:28 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:09:05 GMT
<5H0i6.30249$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:96998r$9v6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> >But you are the exception to the norm. Even if there were a
>> >thousand people like you, it still so insignificant as to be
>> >almost not worth talking about. Less than one percent of one percent
>> >or something like that.
>>
>> If a thousand people were less than one percent of one percent, then the
>> total sample size would have to be larger than 10 million.
>>
>> Nice own goal, Chad :)
>
>You proved my point for me. There are tens of millions of computer
>users, of which only a couple hundred thousand are day-to-day
>Linux users.
200,000 / 100,000,000 = 0.002 = .2% = 20% of 1%
Your math is a little off. However, you are correct (if your figures
are accurate); we "Penguinistas" are below significance level.
That said -- DOS was once below significance level.
>
>That's less than one percent of one percent. Even the more reason
>to ignore the Penguinistas.
Your loss. :-)
>
>-Chad
>
>
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random arithmetic computation here
EAC code #191 9d:16h:56m actually running Linux.
The US gov't spends about $54,000/second. I wish I could.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,redhat.networking.general
Subject: Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:27:04 GMT
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:04:24 -0800, "Guillermo Auad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I have RHat 7.0 installed on my IBM thinkpad and when I type
>
>% ifconfig eth0 (or eth1)
>
>it does not find the card. The card, a 3Com 10/100 PCI Mini Ethernet
>adapter works properly when I boot Windows 2000 on the same laptop.
>
>Any ideas? please, reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>thx.
Yea.
Run Windows instead of Linsux .
Or, do without your hardware like most Linux users.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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