Linux-Advocacy Digest #287, Volume #32 Sun, 18 Feb 01 10:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: please help - modprobe cannot locate modules ("MH")
Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft ("dev null")
Re: It's just too easy ("ono")
Re: Which Linux? ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation (CR Lyttle)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation (CR Lyttle)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Karel Jansens")
Re: Answer this if you can... ("Karel Jansens")
Re: Which Linux? ("Karel Jansens")
Re: Interesting article ("Chad Myers")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: please help - modprobe cannot locate modules
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:15:24 -0500
Make sure all the packages (utilities) that you use to facilitate this end
are up to date.
This is the joy of building a kernel. It's just not make and go anymore.
It is more a nightmare of incompatible utilities that are upgraded
constantly.
If you're going to futz with building kernels, installing a lot of free
software and so on, you'll need to keep your eyes glued to web sites and
read, and read, and read, and read...
(makes upgrading a winX box a cake walk in comparison)
--
---
Airhead R. Klueless
Human garbage wrapped in skin
Moron Minister of all I foul
ICQ # 666
H: "I am stupid people"
I: "I am a COMMUNIST ***hole"
J: My mother is an old hag who has hit the wall....
A: I am a fool mocked by wise men.
B: I spew out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are
headed in a
direction that I don't like.
C: Everyone should really killfile me.
D: I travel from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: I am not worthy of the time to compose a response until
my behavior improves.
F: I have pictures of Jimmy Baker committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: I am a retard.
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"Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi eissimuf,
>
> > Despite compiling my kernel by entering "make dep clean
> > modules modules_install bzImage", my /lib/modules/2.4.1/modules.dep file
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From: "dev null" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:19:53 -0500
> A crime, perhaps not, but an intelligent person would accept the
separation of
> church and state outline by men far smarter than he.
But then,.. revised sig:
--
---
Airhead R. Klueless
Human garbage wrapped in skin
Moron Minister of all I foul
ICQ # 666
H: "I am stupid people"
I: "I am a COMMUNIST ***hole"
J: My mother is an old hag who has hit the wall....
A: I am a fool mocked by wise men.
B: I spew out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are
headed in a
direction that I don't like.
C: Everyone should really killfile me.
D: I travel from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: I am not worthy of the time to compose a response until
my behavior improves.
F: I have pictures of Jimmy Baker committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: I am a retard.
---
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From: "ono" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's just too easy
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:08:19 +0100
> > This is funny? An empty attached file with a script ext?
> > What an idiot.
> > But hey, it's cola. What did I expect?
>
> Nope, it`s not an enpty attached file, if you look with the right
> newsreader and not with your windows-kindergarden-version.
>
> It`s quite simply just a signature, and it will trigger just by the layout
> your braindead piece of windows-software shit "Outhouse Fast"
> into thinking that there IS a file where never was one.
>
> Just start thinking, windows-luser. (that was for the idiot).
> Try harder next time to be a little more polite and stop using
> that shitty software (or demand a working one from MS). At
> least you did pay for it enough money.
>
> Peter
>
I don't get it. Why should I stop using my 'windows-kindergarden'
newsreader?
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which Linux?
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:08:49 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Sorry about that folks, I need to install linux to get the
> experience on installing linux and learning it's commands. We
> use Unix a lot to support web hosting. I wouldn't dream of
> running a GUI or web browser or server.
>
Well,
I've seen several good suggestions for smaller distro's already,
so just take one of them and run it in console mode. You'll get
along just fine, just don't try to use EMACS :-).
Mart
--
Happily running Debian, posting with Pan
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From: CR Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:33:30 GMT
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Charles Lyttle wrote:
> >
> > Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Flacco wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It's interesting to note that the whole phenomenon of Microsoft vs. Open
> > > > > > Source most likely wouldn't exist had IBM not (albeit, unthinkingly)
> > > > > > 'open-sourced' the PC architecture.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't buy that. It just wouldn't be taking place on IBM hardware with MS
> > > > > software.
> > > >
> > > > If IBM had not 'open-sourced' the PC architecture, PCs may not have had
> > > > the success they did. It may be that the discussion would be
> > > > open-source v Apple
> > >
> > > There were Apple clones in the early 1980's.
> > >
> > > Franklin was selling them in 1981.
> > >
> > Apple made a big mistake. At first clones were permissible, but they got
> > that canned beans dealer to take over the company and he decided to
> > close the architecture. You couldn't even get bus specs without paying
> > lots of money and signing non disclosure agreements. Result : no one
> > developed software or hardware for Apple][ or Mac. They developed for
>
> No..the Apple ][, and ][+ were VERY open.
>
> The manuals included
> a) COMPLETE schematics of the entire system
> and
> b) COMPLETE source code for whatever was in the ROM
> (Apple BASIC & a simple 6502 assembler/monitor ;
> or Apple Floating Point BASIC)
>
> My guess is that the same went for the //e as well, but I never got my
> hands on the //e manuals, so I'm not sure.
>
Apple was closed right after Jobs left the first time. Was that just
before the Mac or the e? At the time, it caused a lot of upset and
predictions apple wouldn't last the year. Only the fact that apple was
technically much better than the PC saved it at all.
> > IBM instead. IBM, OTOH, considered the pc to be an "entry level" system.
> > You were supposed to buy a PC and then find out you couldn't live
> > without one of their mainframes and several dozen Displaywriters and IBM
> > networking systems. Well, it did that. IBM just didn't know what it was
> > passing up in the PC market. But if they hadn't done what they did,
> > perhaps PC sales would not have been so great. After all, look what
> > happened when they decided to close the "microchannel" specs. Seen any
> > microchannel recentlY?
> > > > --
> > > > http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > Unix Systems Engineer
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
Russ
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: CR Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:37:28 GMT
Marten Kemp wrote:
>
> Charles Lyttle wrote:
> >
> <<snip>>
> > Apple made a big mistake. At first clones were permissible, but they got
> > that canned beans dealer to take over the company and he decided to
> > close the architecture. You couldn't even get bus specs without paying
> > lots of money and signing non disclosure agreements. Result : no one
> > developed software or hardware for Apple][ or Mac. They developed for
> > IBM instead. IBM, OTOH, considered the pc to be an "entry level" system.
> > You were supposed to buy a PC and then find out you couldn't live
> > without one of their mainframes and several dozen Displaywriters and IBM
> > networking systems. Well, it did that. IBM just didn't know what it was
> > passing up in the PC market. But if they hadn't done what they did,
> > perhaps PC sales would not have been so great. After all, look what
> > happened when they decided to close the "microchannel" specs. Seen any
> > microchannel recentlY?
> <<snip>>
> > --
> > Russ Lyttle
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > <http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
>
> The original PC, XT and XT-286 Tech References came complete with
> circuit diagrams of the system boards and BIOS listings, dunno about the
> AT. IMHO, this was entirely in keeping with large parts of the IBM
> corporate culture of the time, which didn't think about the large-scale
> cloning of their products. They, of course, got clobbered, not being
> prepared for the hotbed of competition in this arena. Microchannel has
> been described to me as a superior architecture that was doomed to
> insignificance when IBM tried to keep it proprietary. They got clobbered
> again and it's my feeling that their major claim to fame is laptops and
> high-end servers. IBM knows a *LOT* about large systems.
>
> Just my 2 dinars' worth.
>
> -- Marten Kemp
Right. IBM was very ambivilant about doing the PC at all. It was, and
is, just an aside for them. They make lots of money in the big server
and in networking software. If IBM isn't the worlds largest company,
they are up there in the top four or five.
--
Russ
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:44:09 -0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete Goodwin"
<imekon@$$$remove$$$.freeuk.com> wrote:
> T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>>Yet I don't dissect Windows, so why should I with Linux?
>>
>>You can't tell the difference between a graphics program running on
>>Windows and Windows? You're not nearly as experienced as you pretend
>>then.
>
> Twisty!
>
>>>> Dufus.
>>>
>>>Dweeb.
>>
>>Dupe.
>
> Belgian!
>
Hey! Is that supposed to be funny?
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================
"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
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From: "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:44:53 -0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Peter Hayes"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:32:22 +0100, Karel Jansens
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Mart van de Wege wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Mart
>> > --
>> > Happily running Debian, posting with Pan
>>
>> Totally unrelated to the thread: How does Pan do as an offline
>> newsreader? Does it have its own spooler, like krn or the StarOffice
>> newsreader, or do you have to rely on something like leafnode?
>
> It has a built-in cache, there's a setting for how much, but it's not
> enabled by default.
>
> I have tried Pan several times, but it has a nasty habit of crashing,
> just disappearing. Presumaby it segfaults.
>
I'm trying it out as we - err... - type. Sofar it doesn't behave any
worse than any of the other GUI newsreaders [fingers crossed].
The cache seems indeed to be a bit primitive, I'll see how it goes.
>> Reason for the question: leafnode has "issues" with my ISP (and I don't
>> like krn), so a switch seems in order.
>
> Have you tried Agent running under Wine? It's similar to Pan, and you
> can use it in Windows as well, so it's available whichever os you're in.
> And it has its own spooler.
>
I try very hard _not_ to run Windows <G>. WINE is fine if you have a
piece of software you absolutely have to have, and it will only run in
Windows ("run" should be taken with a grain of salt, of course).
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================
"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
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From: "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which Linux?
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:45:23 -0100
In article <96mpfn$jn5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bloody Viking"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Edward Rosten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : RH 5.2 can go down to 190M including Netscape, X, Apache, ftp,
> sendmail
> : and a few other bits and bobs.
>
> The original poster has no CD drive on the laptop. If he has a CD drive
> in his DESKtop, he'll have to install from floppies, and Slackware wins
> out on that score. Red Hat needs that CD drive for the install.
>
Get parallel "Laplink" cable and install from the CDROM on the desktop,
using PLIP. I've done it with an old Dell laptop (Need to dig up my notes again; it
was more or less straightforward with S.u.S.E., but some reading of docs
was required, not to mention 'Net help).
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================
"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:39:43 GMT
"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:96ojoh$etn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Assuming you mean "what's VNC" rather than "what's w/" as other posters seem
> to think...
>
> VNC stands for Virtual Network Computing. It is a client/server system for
> controlling desktops over a network, with an efficient communication
> protocol that works well even with bitmap-type applications (although it is
> advisable to turn of that 1600x1200x16m background picture when using a
> dial-up link). You can mix and match clients and servers (controlling
> Windows desktops from unix machines, or vice versa, or working with any of a
> dozen other systems). Its a great system.
>
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
Be careful, however, it's slow, bulky, has at least one known exploit,
and seems to crash a lot.
Do NOT use it over an open network, but rather inside your organization
for easier remote access.
As for remoting Windows desktops in your organization, Terminal Services
and NetMeeting's Remote Desktop Sharing are much better. Win98, WinNT,
Windows 2000 all have the RDS functionality.
-Chad
> T. Max Devlin wrote in message
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] in alt.destroy.microsoft on 16 Feb 2001
> > [...]
> >>Note that the speed of the newest VNCw/compression kicks both their asses.
> >
> >Tell me more. What's "VNCw/compression"?
> >
> >--
> >T. Max Devlin
> > *** The best way to convince another is
> > to state your case moderately and
> > accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
>
>
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:55:30 +0000
>>>>Yet I don't dissect Windows, so why should I with Linux?
>>>
>>>You can't tell the difference between a graphics program running on
>>>Windows and Windows? You're not nearly as experienced as you pretend
>>>then.
>>
>> Twisty!
>>
>>>>> Dufus.
>>>>
>>>>Dweeb.
>>>
>>>Dupe.
>>
>> Belgian!
>>
> Hey! Is that supposed to be funny?
Listen to the Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 01:01:48 +1000
My VCR and microwave always seem to be running when I go to use
them... does that count?
-=<************************************>=-
The list of specs for my
PC is longer than my willy.
jaredATcelab21DOTpcDOTelecDOTuqDOTeduDOTau
On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Krid wrote:
> >:>>> : Linux has the BEST uptime record of any operating system in the
> >:>>> : world.
> >:>>>
> >:>>> Well, between Windows and Linux, that might be true. However,
> >:>>> there's more to the world than Linux and Windows.
> >:>>>
> >:>>Not in this neck of the woods, my friend! ;)
> >
> >: <snip>
> >
> >:>Other speciality/embedded operating systems (WinCE might be
> >:>construed as one, although it's a relatively recent entry)
> >:>might be included, as well. I don't know a lot about them.
> >
> >: CE? Long uptime? HA!
> >: Have you EVER heard of a video game system crashing? (Discounting when
> >: you remove parts while it's on, of course.)
> >
> >Uptime means staying up the whole time. Turning the machine off and
> >on again resets the counter, even if it was deliberate and not a
> >crash. How many people leave their game consoles turned on 24/7?
>
> I would, but can't. It rarely goes more than 24 hours without crashing (I
> know this from experiance.), it's the most unstable device I've ever seen
> when it comes to writing data, and yes, I know what uptime means. (^_^)
>
> >: I have a Dreamcast. It runs CE. It crashes/munges data every other day
> >: or so.
>
>
>
>
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