Linux-Advocacy Digest #287, Volume #34 Mon, 7 May 01 09:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: the Boom, Boom department (Richard Thrippleton)
Re: Drive Partitions (pip)
Re: IE ("Michael Pye")
Re: IBM Linux mainframe to displace NT, Sun, HP boxes at Venezuelan bank ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: If Windows is supposed to be so "thoroughly" tested... ("~¿~")
Re: where's the linux performance? ("~¿~")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Austin Ziegler)
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windows makes good coasters ("Jan Johanson")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Thrippleton)
Subject: Re: the Boom, Boom department
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:42:05 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>Darren Wyn Rees wrote:
>>
>> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in comp.os.linux.advocacy :
>>
>> >First of all, what is the "boom, boom department?".
>>
>> I thought everybody boom, boomed.
>>
>> >Second of all, I agree to a certain extent on the stupidity some distro's have of
>> >including thousands of apps/games that are just re-interations of the
>> >same thing.
>>
>> Hear, hear. Perhaps if the distro makers decided to showcase a couple
>> of good games, instead of throwing in all the available chaff, one
>> might be less unforgiving.
>>
>> >I've finally hung up my SuSE parade gear, and I have moved
>> >back to Corel Linux, yes, I know, people will go, "it is not as flexible
>> >as <distro>", however, for my purposes, it works fine a dandy, I also
>> >have found I have less problems using Corel software (surprise,
>> >surprise), such as Wordperfect and Corel Draw, the added benefit is that
>> >it is debian based which gives me access to 1000's of useful, and no-so
>> >useful files.
>>
>> Of all the popular distributions, SuSE is the worst afflicted
>> as far as the 'let's package the kitchen sink with this distro'
>> disease is concerned.
>>
>> >As for the comment regarding Linux games from Loki, I take issue with
>> >that, I have used both Simcity 3000 and Civilisation Call to Power, and
>> >they are right on par with their Windows counterpart.
>>
>> My opinion is that Loki's CTP is absolutely awful.
>>
>> >Conclusion from previous poster: A whining Wintrol with a hypothetical
>> >senario based on an issue he has with Windows
>>
>> Linux distributions include games of a quality and fashion that hark
>> back to personal computing from the mid eighties.
>>
>> It's a fact.
>>
>> Linux is not yet a credible games platform.
>Not yet, however, OpenGL and OpenAL are both taking shape quickly.
>Also, if you were playing these games with Xfree86 3.3.6, then yes, it
>would be shit house, however, 4.03 is a milestone in terms of
>performance etc when playing games.
I wish (really, I do). Yes, 4.03 is faster in terms of simple
drawing to the screen, but as far as I'm concerned, 3D is a non-possibility;
XFree86 doesn't yet support 3D operations with the Mach64 chipset. Any
suggestions? Any idea when it'll be supported?
Richard
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Drive Partitions
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:03:35 +0100
One million Linux groups cross-post alert :)
"A. Smith" wrote:
>
> I am trying to install Mandrake on a booty (lame) computer, and I get a
> bizarre error after seting up hard drive partions:
> "Not enough swap space for install."
> What does that mean?
It means that the partition (if you have) set aside for Linux hard disk
swap space is not enough. Try allowing 256mb, which may seem a lot, but
you only have 16mb RAM.
You could make your life easier by buying 128MB extra at least. If RAM
is as cheap where you live as where I live at the moment then that would
be on my shopping list.
If you are using your box as a network box then 16 MB may be ok, but as
a desktop you will find the performance lacking.
HTH
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From: "Michael Pye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: IE
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:51:39 +0100
OK, there were too many points in there to reply to individually, so I shall
endeavour to summarise my arguments and that which I can understand and
accept form this discussion.
It has been agreed that there are two very different types of web.
One is the web as it began. Rooted in achedemia, it is run by universities,
research programmes and open sourced developers. It allows the sharing of
complex ideas, results and other information with the masses. It allows
people to collaborate to further the achademic progress of the world. It
runs in search of knowledge. There is no maney involved.
But nowadays there is another web. Call it what you will, the "commercial"
web, the "trendy" web, or even happy horseshit. Hereafter it will be refered
to as the commercial web. It exists and is here to stay. Now in this world
people surf for different reasons. They look for amusement, general
knowledge, eye candy, something to do when they are bored. And secondly,
(yes, secondly) they look for bargains, shopping from the comfort of their
arm chair (or the discomfort of their computer chair, which is an old wooden
job until I get round to buying a new one...)
You may not like the commercial web. You are entitled to that. However it is
there and (believe it or not) it serves a function.
I think the point you are missing is that not everybody is interested in
that information. While the academic web brings information to the masses,
only those with a higher than average IQ can hope to digest that
information, find it useful or in any way gain something from having read
it.
Many people simply can't. They will find no use in the old academic web
because the results, the hypotheses, the journals are not only of no
interest to them, but they also have no meaning.
Now the fact that you are active in usenet and not a troll (as well as your
views as expressed) puts you in that higher bracket. Your average user who
is arriving on the web will not know how to use usenet, and neither will
they care. The plain text and complex discussions of alt.metaphysics.alchemy
(no recommendation implied, I have never read that newsgroup, I picked it
out of the list simply for it's title as an example) will have no relevance
to their lives. They don't have a wish or drive to understand which pushes
the academics of this world.
They care about the TV tonight, the football results and a review of the
match, downloading mp3s, a bit of soft porn and possibly cheap CD-Rs for
those mp3s.
Believe it or not, these people: the true "masses" don't give a shit about
the validity or the pure information available on the web. The presentation
of what they read, to them, gives the information it's credibility. What's
more they don't want a lot of information. They hop around the web in search
of something which grabs their eye. The only ever read the introduction and
they certainly never print off a page so they can digest it fully.
For these people the second web is tailored. It must be, quite literally,
eye candy or people will not dwell on it long enough to find out what it is.
Image is everything.
Now I apologise if I appeared arrogant at any point in that analysis. I am
only trying to put forward my findings having studies the actions of my
peers. Arrogance was not intended, but the tone was what seemed necessary to
get my point home.
Now. What I think could / should be done about this.
Yes. There should be two protocols for the web. One which moves forward with
the times and the technology. Multimedia and broadband galore. Call it
hhstp: (happy horseshit transfer protocol). Meanwhile, the http protocol
should be stripped to ensure that none of this can even be transmitted
across it. All file transfers other than plain text and images should take
place by ftp and must not be embedded in pages.
The two protocols should be completely separate entities. HTML should not be
served via hhstp and vice versa.
This completely separates the two webs. However, there is still a problem.
If you want something which appears only via hhsml (happy horseshit markup
language) then you must venture into the other web at your own risk.
As for crass commercialisation, I never said I advocated amazon. I was only
trying to understand why they design their site as they do and explain as
such.
Well, that is most of the way I see it. I feel I have taken something from
this discussion in terms of understanding the academic web. Perhaps it is
because it has run parallel to my introduction to linux and the
unix/linux/gnu community and the amount of information and applications that
are available out there for free.
Either way, I felt I had to sum up my standing.
And if you don't believe my about average people, check any study on the
habits of internet users. MP3 recently overtook sex as the most commonly
searched for word. I might seem sad to you, and to me, and to Bob, but it is
also true.
Later
MP
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IBM Linux mainframe to displace NT, Sun, HP boxes at Venezuelan bank
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 08:06:07 -0400
B'ichela wrote:
>
> On Sat, 05 May 2001 11:54:11 GMT, Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >The return of the mainframe is one of the reasons that I like UNIX/Linux
> >now, although I don't use it as a desktop OS. I work on an old mainframe
> >at work (20 years or so), raised floor and all, but some of these newer
> >IBM mainframes kick ass! I may not be prejudiced against MS users BUT I
> >would say that I am prejudiced against anyone who says that Intel/AMD
> >PC's are better than mainframe. Let them work on their little dinky
> >glorified consoles, REAL men use mainframes! :^)
> >Anyone else dig mainframes?
> When I was a college student at The University of Connecticut
> at Storrs I got the privilage of using their System 390 (is that the
> right one?) It was very cool! Walking in a room full of tall boxes
> that held processors and Disk and tape librairies (ahh those were the
> days!) This was in 1992 btw.
> When you look at how the "server" mentality works it really is
> wastefull of resources and space. Lets see, a server for apache, a
> sever for NFS, a server for NIS, a server for FTP etc etc... Whereas a
> large mainframe or even a MINI could do all of this at one site!
Hell, an early Pentium running Linux can do all that.
The bottle neck on most services is in the DISK DRIVES, not the CPU.
> Plus by having all of these running on one machine there is
> less support services needed to keep the equipment running. Lets not
> forget the environmental resources including Electricity, Air
> Conditioning and manpower.
> Here at my apartment I tried the server paradign.. I found
> that it was not working. I shutdown the multiple servers and went back
> to one main computer and RS232-c dumb terminals. Now anytime I update
> the software on the main box, the terminals get the same software
> accross the board automatically.
>
> --
>
> B'ichela
--
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Unix Systems Engineer
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The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 08:09:59 -0400
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Pancho Villa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> > >
> > COM is obviously a smoke-screen for combining that
> > > with CORBA-like functionality, as part of Bill Gates' "everybody will
> > > have to pay me money" campaign.
> > >
> > The fact of the matter is that COM and DCOM were MS ripoffs of IBM's
> > SOM and DSOM. OLE is simply bloated, buggy, 2nd-rate technology. To
> > this day, SOM and DSOM kick COM and DCOM's butt! Tragically, along
> > with IBM's OpenDoc, another fantastic technology, SOM and DSOM have
> > been pretty much destroyed by a criminal monopoly, and we are all
> > suffering. :(
>
> It's so amusing to watch people go to all lengths to ensure that Microsoft
> never gets any credit for anything.
>
Why should they get credit for merely COPYING other peoples' ideas?
> -c
--
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Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "~¿~" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: If Windows is supposed to be so "thoroughly" tested...
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:11:54 GMT
Typical answer from Terry. In other words, no answer, just crap and insults.
Keep moving Linux advocacy to the high ground Terry.
(could you do your readers (fellow zealots) a favor and put some whitespace
between the original and quoted text?)
> >> Does Red Hat inform all their 5.0 users that they should upgrade
because
> >> they have tons of problems?
> >
> > No. Only in COLA are you told that with Linux you don't need to get on
the
> > upgrade wagon.
> RedHat is not Linux.
>
> >
> > Unless, of course, you compare an older version of a Linux distribution
with
> > windows<anything>.
> Except that to upgrade Linux only costs the d/lor media fees. To upgrade
> Windows costs a minium of $100.
>
> > At which point you'll be told ... "you're using an ancient version of
> ><distro>, why don't you upgrade?
> And why not, its free and easy to do so. After all this is Linux,
> and unlike Mafia$oft, Linux is Free Software.
>
> > <insert personal insult here>".
> I'll leave that to you Ubertroll, your the expert when it comes
> to personal insults.
>
> >
> > I know. I was just told this last week after comparing the setup of a
home
> > LAN using DHCP with RedHat 6.2. WinMe, win 98, and Whistler beta 2.
> > Isn't RH 6.2 newer than win98?
>
> Isnt Whistler newer than RedHat6.2 ?
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From: "~¿~" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: where's the linux performance?
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:13:21 GMT
Manage this.
> +------------------------+
> | |
> | PLEASE |
> | |
> | Do not feed the troll. |
> | Thank you. |
> | |
> | The Management |
> | |
> +----------+--+----------+
> | |
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> | |
> | |
> | |
> * @ @ ( ) * @ )|@ | / @ \ * * @* * +@
> _)_()_(_(_|(__)_)_(|(_|/__/__)(_(_))_(_/)_
>
>
> ( Courtesy of WesTralia (TM) )
>
> ( A "programmer" that chooses not to use a programmers dream because
> some application takes a few more seconds to load - yeah right, pull the
> other one Mr. Troll )
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
From: Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:15:04 -0400
On Mon, 7 May 2001, T. Max Devlin wrote:
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 6 May 2001 15:32:49=20
>> Maxie:
> [...]
>>>And what is then is "the API itself", but a description of the API? =20
>> That=B4s like saying a paperback of "The Great Gatsby" is a description=
=20
>> of "The Great Gatsby". It makes no sense.
> I don't see why. It seems to me that a copy of "The Great Gatsby" would
> be a rather ideal and precise description of "The Great Gatsby". Now
> ask yourself "is it a description of the intellectual property?"
If you think that, then you're more deluded than I thought. A copy of
"The Great Gatsby" is a copy of "The Great Gatsby", not a description
of same. A description is one level removed from the thing itself and
is "about" the thing.
This is where I disagree a bit with Ayende: I believe that an API can
be an API without documentation, but that it's not necessarily usable
without that documentation. If the items in the API aren't documented,
however, they're not part of the agreed-upon "contract" between the API
and the program.
-f
--=20
austin ziegler * Ni bhionn an rath ach mar a mbionn an smacht
Toronto.ON.ca * (There is no Luck without Discipline)
=================* I speak for myself alone
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 08:15:46 -0400
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9d4map$3c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > Actually, I think that the reverse is true.
> > > > I know a little of Pascal, and the pointers that Pascal have can stump
> > you
> > > > if you are transferring your Pascal knowledge to C/C++.
> > > > Pointers aren't an easy concept in the first place, and C & C++ way of
> > doing
> > > > it are nearly identical to the way the machine does it, so it's easier
> > to
> > > > learn the C's way, and then learn Pascal, which limits your ability to
> > use
> > > > them.
> > > > As a note, a good C++ programmer shouldn't have much use for raw
> > pointers.
> > > > The standard library provides for nearly everything that you need to
> use
> > a
> > > > pointer for, and it does it much better than the average programmer
> can
> > hope
> > > > to do. More safely, too.
> > > > The big plus of C++ is that you don't have to pay for things that you
> > don't
> > > > need.
> > >
> > > That's exactly my point. Pascal properly hides what shouldn't be
> > > normally used by an application developer (i.e. dirty tricks with
> > > pointers). You can do in Pascal anything you can do in C, but you must
> > > state very explicitly, so that you're made aware of what you're doing.
> > > Once you've learned, you may start playing with C++, if you feel like,
> > > but your background will make you avoid all the trivial errors you can
> > > do with C++, without the compiler telling you, and learning only at run
> > > time.
> >
> > I don't think so, I think that it's better to know *how* it's done, and
> > except assembler, C is the best way to learn how it's done, and then move
> to
> > the restrictions of Pascal.
> > And I'm talking as someone who did Pascal first.
>
> While I'll agree with the earlier assessment that you can do anything in
> PASCAL you can in C (Especially using Borland's implementation which I have
> since v3.0), you'll miss out on key points of C/C++ if you stick to that
> mindset. Dealing with templates and smart-pointers can be rather difficult
> if you're thinking PASCAL - Particularly when you get into OLE VARIANT
> types. Data can be far more abstracted than PASCAL will allow and your
> clients need not know or care what's being tossed at them. This sort of
> thing seemed anethma to me when I started out and I had to fight to make
> sense of it. You see the beauty of it eventually, but, strong-type thinking
> will slow the process.
Any version of PASCAL which is commercially useful is non-standard.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
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Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: 7 May 2001 07:16:13 -0500
It continues to amaze me that the ONLY people having these sorts of absolute
failures under Windows are linux users.
Are linux users that univerally inadept at running Windows?
I haven't had a bad CD since the last time I had a 2x write speed burner
with 256 Kb buffer under Win95.
Your system has to be so broken to fail a burn on a current gen burner - AND
with the latest Burn-Proof technology people like Lite-on and Plextor use,
it's literally impossible to fail the burn. You can pause the entire system
with the pause key and the buffer can go to 0% for an hour and then resume
and continue burning the CD flawlessly.
Of course, I'm sure this support isn't in linux yet...
Really people - at least learn how to setup and use an OS before attempting
to disparage it.
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> dale wrote:
> >
> > i can understand the digicam stuff especially if it is usb but the
burning
> > stuff is totally out of line!! Cd record is a wonderful prog and
deserves
> > all credit it can get.. Have you ever tryed it? i dought it!
>
> cdrecord is great for copying Microsoft CDs, audio CDs, and for making
> archives of your /home/luser directory when you decide to strip your
> machine down to reduce the amount of space used by Windoze, and increase
> the amount used by Linux. Combined with mkisofs, it would seem pretty
> difficult to me to beat the flexibility and safety of CD burning
> on Linux.
>
> As far as obtaining audio data, cdparanoia is great. You can often
> reconstitute a broken CD (one with tracks that skip) with it.
> Is there any software like that available for free in the Windoze world?
>
> In any case, every Windoze user I've talked to that burns CDs tells
> me about how often they've coastered a CD. I've never coastered one
> under Linux, so I have no intention of wasting my time booting to
> Windoze 2000 to burn CDs. Windoze, even of the NT/2000 ilk, has too
> high a peak interrupt latency to be worth risking a $0.50 CD-R.
> You never know when Windoze will pop in and garbage collect,
> and not respond to the CD interrupt in time. Windoze latency is
> like 10 msec typical even in the most advanced desktop versions.
> Linux latency, on the other hand, is measured in microseconds.
>
> To which OS would you trust your time-sensitive operations?
>
> That being said, take note that Linux needs modification for
> use in real-time applications.
>
> > "John Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > But when I want to do things such as web surf, read
> > news,
> > > >send email, download pictures from a camera, use my burner to create
> > music
> > > >compilations .... any technology made in the last 3 years, in other
> > words,
> > > >there is no choice other than windows.
>
> See the above.
>
> > > >Mac osX can't even burn a freaking
> > > >Cd.
> > >
> > > Yeah I like bringing up the cd thing too ;-). I like to play with
lots of
> > > multimedia stuff, which unfortunately means I can't use only Unix.
>
> You guys need to research where Linux is at now.
> It's a moving target, and it's moving forward even faster than
> Microsoft can whip its pony.
>
> Chris
>
> --
> Free the Software!
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