On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 19:43, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > Gilboa Davara wrote on 2003-06-24: > > > On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 15:55, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > > > > > Let me doubt the Captian being a programmer :-). I stipulate that the > > > percent of programmers exposed to unix is much higher than the percent > > > of users exposed to them. I'd guess that more than half of all > > > programmers in the world have written something for unix in their life > > > (God bless the universities ;). Granted, this depends on the > > > definition of "developer", I don't mean people after 3-month courses. > > > > But the percentage is getting lower and lower. > > I wasn't aware of that, but then I never checked any real data. I do > see that the number of open-source programmers is constantly > increasing.
Funny enough... I know a lot of programmers with brain the size of small planet (AKA not me) that write children stuff using VB/C# at work... and the only way for them to survive mentally is to participate in open projects. Go Microsoft! > > > My guess it that in general close to 80% of the programmers getting out > > to the workforce today, will 'do' java/C#/VB most of their professional > > life... > > "Do" is less important. I will 'do' these things if I'm forced too > (well, except VB ;) but I'll run away at the first opportunity. The > more he makes me use them, the faster I'll run away! And I will try > to import my favorite tools into any given environment, > DJGPP/cygwin/jython style. cygwin can't do ole/com/com+/dcom/activex/non-activex/really-active-x can it? :-) Ever tried using the VC's active X code designer? (that automated thingie that writes stupid ActiveX code for you) I know a man who almost committed suicide cause of it... (Well, in his case it's wasn't a great loss if he would have succeeded...) > > > and with "design" (YUCK!) tools getting better and better, most > > developers are on their way to become (Winders only) apes. (And stupid > > ones. Heck, I heard some big chief from a big company a couple of weeks > > ago stating that "you can't write 'real' servers in C [C++?]... only > > in... wait... it's coming... VB.ant!" I pity the man working under this > > wastebasket) > > > Paul Graham's essays, in particular `Beating the Averages`__ argue > that this chief and his company will lose. A person not working under > such a "wastebasket" will outperform his programmers, strongly enough > that sooner or later he will lose. He is not releveant because with > such attitudes, he will not design the future. Writing linux programs > is easier than writing equivallent windows programs, so in the long > run linux will define the future. No matter how big is MicroSoft's > momentum, once linux passes a certain threshold, there is only one > long-run result: MS will lose. Yes, I'm optimistic. So am I. MS has managed to make every possible mistake. Europe (gasp) is riding the anti-U.S. wave into Linus' hands. The U.S is riding the anti-MS wave going the same direction. Only in Israel, people, I mean so-called computer experts are proud of never touching a non-MS product... Oh well, who said we're the chosen people? > > __ http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html > > > > Now, do you remember your feeling when you had to use some MS > > > develoment tool (no matter which)? Compare that to the feeling of > > > using any linux development tool. There is precisely one reason for > > > Unix's outstanding success: it's an OS created by hackers, for > > > hackers. And it's almost perfect for them. MS can't compete with > > > that, no matter how hard it tries. > > > > Actually, I'm using GDB/DDD as I write this and I just wish someone > > would port the text mode Watcom debugger (DOS/Win/OS2) to Linux :-) > > Hey... But that's me... > > > Well, it's notable that you hunger for a text-mode debugger ;-). And > that it's not written by MS. I've never used Watcom products but I > heard they were popular with hackers. Best debugger I ever used. OS symbols out of the box, assembly, good release mode debugging, hardware breakpoints... you name it. > > My point is that developers are the last concern about GNU/Linux's > future because they are the ones who brought it to be. My point: In the world. But in Israel you still tell a fellow developer that you don't do Windows and he faints on the spot. (Or worse, asks you if you can run VB.something on it!) Gilboa ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
