Let's say that his playing is quite irritating for me. Inviato da iPhone
> Il giorno 11 ott 2016, alle ore 11:46, Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@gmail.com> > ha scritto: > > > There is really nothing Segovian about it. > > A Segovian usually means unmusical, sloppy, irritating etc. > > RT > > >> On 10/11/2016 5:09 AM, Diego Cantalupi wrote: >> The question is different: >> >> why one should play a baroque lute concerto on a lute-shaped guitar >> using an old fashon Segovian style? >> >> >> Il 11/10/2016 10:47, Jarosław Lipski ha scritto: >>>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 01:37, Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Not really. There are a lot of factors in LF manufacture that are >>>> absent is this. >>>> >>>> Many people play single-strung archlutes with nails, some without. >>>> Stephen Stubbs with, Konrad Junghaenel and Konstantin Bozhinov without. >>>> >>>> RT >>>> >>> Sure, I am not criticising anyone. On the contrary, I said Luca’s >>> performance was very successful. On the other hand one may ask >>> questions like: why someone plays single strung archlute if there is >>> little evidence for this type of instrument, why someone uses >>> fingernails if the evidence speaks against using them, and why >>> someone uses amplification (Noble prize for someone who’ll find any >>> evidence for this :)) And if all of this is used simultaneously, then >>> one may assume it is not coincidental. Why? Because it is much more >>> guitar-like, and most of lute players started their musical education >>> as guitarists. Another problem is the fear of not being heard by an >>> audience especially when playing in a group . >>> Again, I am not criticising, however it should be pointed out that >>> there are 2 ways of looking at authenticity IMHO, and someone who has >>> no experience in early music may feel a little bit confused. >>> Best >>> JL >>> >>> >>>>> On 10/10/2016 5:33 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote: >>>>> Name it as you like, for me it’s a Liuto forte. There is another >>>>> version of RV93 played by Luca here >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB101T_sVog >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB101T_sVog> >>>>> The whole instrument is single strung again, and the evidence for >>>>> this type of archlute stringing is very scarce as Howard rightly >>>>> noticed. Luca uses fingernails, so this is another factor that >>>>> influences the overall sound (not only mics). >>>>> JL >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 10 Oct 2016, at 22:28, Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> on a good authority of RT. >>>>>> Luca has at least 2 of these, one with a much longer extension. >>>>>> RT >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/10/2016 4:16 PM, JarosÅ‚aw Lipski wrote: >>>>>>> Really? Is there any evidence to support this theory? >>>>>>> JL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10 Oct 2016, at 22:15, Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is certainly NOT a liuto-forte, but a single-strung archlute >>>>>>>> by Luc Breton. >>>>>>>> RT >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 10/10/2016 2:06 PM, JarosÅ‚aw Lipski wrote: >>>>>>>>> The instrument in question is not an archlute or liuto >>>>>>>>> attiorbato, but a liuto forte. Some lute players like Luca >>>>>>>>> Pianca, Luciano Contini, Eric Bellocq and many others use it, >>>>>>>>> however I would be far from saying that this is a historical >>>>>>>>> instrument - see here http://liuto-forte.com/ueb_00_en.html >>>>>>>>> <http://liuto-forte.com/ueb_00_en.html> It’s easier to >>>>>>>>> play and was specially created with guitarists in mind. >>>>>>>>> Also Lucas fingering in Vivaldi isn’t really Baroque. >>>>>>>>> Having said that, his performance from musical point of view >>>>>>>>> was successful, and I am glad to see people talking about music >>>>>>>>> on this list :) >>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 10 Oct 2016, at 18:23, howard posner >>>>>>>>>> <howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Diego Cantalupi >>>>>>>>>>> <tio...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The main problem to me, is that the concerto is played in C, >>>>>>>>>>> and not. in D. >>>>>>>>>>> It's easier on a G archlute, but sounds to me very strange >>>>>>>>>>> for the violins. >>>>>>>>>> Luca plays an archlute/liuto attiorbato in A. I believe >>>>>>>>>> Giardino Armonico plays at A 415. I’m guessing the >>>>>>>>>> pitch is lowered on the Youtube video we’re talking >>>>>>>>>> about. This is commonly done to avoid detection by copyright >>>>>>>>>> bots. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here’s a recording of Giardino and Luca doing the same >>>>>>>>>> concerto, sounding in D at A 415: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0kJwhbZcAM >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Of course, it’s possible that the sound is adjusted up >>>>>>>>>> on this one. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>>>>>>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>> >>> >> >> > >
