Doesn't it seem a little ironic that those who champion a technique that's 400 years old are calling Segovia's technique "old fashioned".
Gary On 2016-10-11 05:04, Ron Andrico wrote: > As a musician who did NOT come to the lute via classical guitar, I am > alternately amused and discouraged that the argument of guitar > technique versus an approved "authentic" lute technique is still an > issue. This argument is an unfortunate artifact of the late 20th lute > fad, and those who are still banging away on this issue are overlooking > information in the historical sources. > > For the record, I do not play single-strung lutes, and I understand > from reading historical source material that single-strung theorbos > were just as rare as single-strung archlutes. But they are an accepted > modern compromise. Likewise, I do not use nails, but Alessandro > Piccinini and other historical figures did. > > The truth is that there were and are many ways to approach historical > music. Until we learn to live without all modern conveniences - > electronic tuners, photocopied or digital scores, electric lights, > indoor plumbing - the idea that we can today decide on narrow > parameters that describe historical performance is a rather ludicrous > exercise in fantasy. > > I have increasingly moved toward an attempt to perform only in > appropriate-sized spaces and I tend to put an enormous amount of effort > in producing historically integrated programs using the proper > instruments. Taste is a subjective and individual phenomenon but some > of us have traversed beyond the old guitar versus lute argument and > have come to listen with an open mind and judge a performance based > upon its musicality. > RA > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf > of Jarosà âaw Lipski <jaroslawlip...@wp.pl> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:47 AM > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto > > Sure, I am not criticising anyone. On the contrary, I said Luca's > performance was very successful. On the other hand one may ask > questions like: why someone plays single strung archlute if there is > little evidence for this type of instrument, why someone uses > fingernails if the evidence speaks against using them, and why someone > uses amplification (Noble prize for someone who'll find any evidence > for this :)) And if all of this is used simultaneously, then one may > assume it is not coincidental. Why? Because it is much more > guitar-like, and most of lute players started their musical education > as guitarists. Another problem is the fear of not being heard by an > audience especially when playing in a group . > Again, I am not criticising, however it should be pointed out that > there are 2 ways of looking at authenticity IMHO, and someone who has > no experience in early music may feel a little bit confused. > Best > JL >> On 10/10/2016 5:33 PM, Jarosà âaw Lipski wrote: >>> Name it as you like, for me itâââ‰â¢s a Liuto forte. There is >>> another > version of RV93 played by Luca here > [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB101T_sVog > <[2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB101T_sVog> > [3][th?id=OVP.Va5d2ebab5ddfdd8da4e4d0cbe68b82da&pid=Api] > [4]Vivaldi RV93 Luca Pianca > www.youtube.com [1] > Vivaldi RV93 played by Il Giardino Armonico with a Swiss born solo > lutenist Luca Pianca. > [5][th?id=OVP.Va5d2ebab5ddfdd8da4e4d0cbe68b82da&pid=Api] > [6]Vivaldi RV93 Luca Pianca > www.youtube.com [1] > Vivaldi RV93 played by Il Giardino Armonico with a Swiss born solo > lutenist Luca Pianca. >>> The whole instrument is single strung again, and the evidence for > this type of archlute stringing is very scarce as Howard rightly > noticed. Luca uses fingernails, so this is another factor that > influences the overall sound (not only mics). >>> JL >>> >>> >>>> On 10 Oct 2016, at 22:28, Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>>> >>>> on a good authority of RT. >>>> Luca has at least 2 of these, one with a much longer extension. >>>> RT >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/10/2016 4:16 PM, JarosÃ...âEURÅ¡aw Lipski wrote: >>>>> Really? Is there any evidence to support this theory? >>>>> JL >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 10 Oct 2016, at 22:15, Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is certainly NOT a liuto-forte, but a single-strung archlute > by Luc Breton. >>>>>> RT >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/10/2016 2:06 PM, JarosÃ...âEURÅ¡aw Lipski wrote: >>>>>>> The instrument in question is not an archlute or liuto > attiorbato, but a liuto forte. Some lute players like Luca Pianca, > Luciano Contini, Eric Bellocq and many others use it, however I would > be far from saying that this is a historical instrument - see here > [7]http://liuto-forte.com/ueb_00_en.html > <[8]http://liuto-forte.com/ueb_00_en.html> > ItÃÆâââEURšìââEURžÃ¢s easier to play > and was specially created with guitarists in mind. > [9][prixEvent1_378.jpg] > [10]LIUTO FORTE - The 21st Century Lute > liuto-forte.com > Liuto forte âEUR" a Lute for the 21th Century. In 1999 the "Prix de > l'innovation pour les instruments de musique" was awarded in Paris for > the creation of the ... > [11][prixEvent1_378.jpg] > [12]LIUTO FORTE - The 21st Century Lute > liuto-forte.com > Liuto forte âEUR" a Lute for the 21th Century. In 1999 the "Prix de > l'innovation pour les instruments de musique" was awarded in Paris for > the creation of the ... >>>>>>> Also Lucas fingering in Vivaldi >>>>>>> isnÃÆâââEURšìââEURžÃ¢t really Baroque. > Having said that, his performance from musical point of view was > successful, and I am glad to see people talking about music on this > list :) >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10 Oct 2016, at 18:23, howard posner > <howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Diego Cantalupi > <tio...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The main problem to me, is that the concerto is played in C, > and not. in D. >>>>>>>>> It's easier on a G archlute, but sounds to me very strange for > the violins. >>>>>>>> Luca plays an archlute/liuto attiorbato in A. I believe > Giardino Armonico plays at A 415. IÃÆâââEURšìââEURžÃ¢m > guessing the pitch is > lowered on the Youtube video weÃÆâââEURšìââEURžÃ¢re > talking about. This is > commonly done to avoid detection by copyright bots. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> HereÃÆâââEURšìââEURžÃ¢s a recording of Giardino >>>>>>>> and Luca doing the same > concerto, sounding in D at A 415: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [13]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v�kJwhbZcAM > [14][th?id=OVP.V11113880195208c9b3fe3654ef8c034c&pid=Api] > [15]Il Giardino Armonico - Vivaldi - Concerto in D Major for ... > www.youtube.com [1] > Il Giardino Armonico - Vivaldi - Concerto in D Major for lute RV 93 > Allegro - Largo - Allegro >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course, itÃÆâââEURšìââEURžÃ¢s possible that the >>>>>>>> sound is adjusted up > on this one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>>>>>> [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > [17]Frequently Asked Technical Questions about the lute mail list > www.cs.dartmouth.edu [2] > Frequently Asked Technical Questions about the lute mail list. getting > on and off the list; How do I get on the lute mail list? How do I get > off the lute mail list? >>>>>>> -- >>>>> >>> >>> -- >> > > References > > 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB101T_sVog > 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB101T_sVog > 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB101T_sVog > 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB101T_sVog > 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB101T_sVog > 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB101T_sVog > 7. http://liuto-forte.com/ueb_00_en.html > 8. http://liuto-forte.com/ueb_00_en.html > 9. http://liuto-forte.com/ueb_00_en.html > 10. http://liuto-forte.com/ueb_00_en.html > 11. http://liuto-forte.com/ueb_00_en.html > 12. http://liuto-forte.com/ueb_00_en.html > 13. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v�kJwhbZcAM > 14. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v�kJwhbZcAM > 15. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v�kJwhbZcAM > 16. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 17. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Links: ------ [1] http://www.youtube.com [2] http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu --
