Yes, sometime my english is too fluent.
well you understood correctly.
example:
1.40 mm for the bass
.70 mm for the octave
This mean exactly an equal tension.
But when you install them the octavestring drop its gauge more than the
140. In practice the best solution is to install a 73 instead a 70. This is
the pratical way to solve the problem.
Generally speacking, this compensation work very well on the most
problematic course that is the 4th on renaissance lutes. having a thicket
octave make te sound warmer and the struing blend togheter very well.
at the end of the day there is no sources that explain what to do with the
octaves. Maybe Gerle, if I well remember wrote someting in matter.
here is what I discovered using whole guts (this well explain WHY the lute
MUST be tuned in 4th and 3rd only if one has the goal to preserve the equal
feel of tension between the first courses)
1 whole lamb gut: 1st course
2 whole lam guts: 2nd course
3 whole lam guts: 3rd course
these strings,using 1,2,3 whole lamb guts became also the octaves for the
4,,5,6 courses.
Mimmo
-----Messaggio originale-----
From: Miles Dempster
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 1:45 PM
To: Lute net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: basses in octaves
Mimmo,
Just to see if I have understood you correctly, please confirm or correct
the following statement, which tries to put your explanation in another way:
If you want to have the octave at the same tension as the fundamental, you
must choose a string whose thickness (before it is stretched) would
apparently lead to 5% more tension. Once it is stretched, it will become
thinner, and less tension will be needed to achieve the desired pitch. In
summary, when choosing the string, try to estimate how thick it will need to
be when under tension.
Miles
On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:30 AM, Mimmo Peruffo <mperu...@aquilacorde.com>
wrote:
I have another opinion.In order to preserve the so called equal feel of
tension the octave string of the two of the course must have more tension
then the bass string. I suggest around 5% more. Why? because even if you
calculated the two strings of the course with the same tension the thin
octave string lost more percentage of its gauge than the thicker bass
string. this mean that, when it is tuned, the real tension is less. the
octaave string lost tension. In practice, you lost the equal feel of
tension and the two strings do not blend togheter in the best way giving
the impression that you are playing one string only.
One must compensate this thing increasing the tension of a 5% almost: a
course so aranged is much more better.
Mimmo
-----Messaggio originale----- From: Matthew Daillie
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 8:49 AM
To: Dan Winheld
Cc: Miles Dempster ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: basses in octaves
This is still very much a moot point. Some of the (numerous)
interpretations of the recent discovery of a possible period stringing
list lead to the conclusion that octaves were strung at the same tension
as fundamentals but it certainly hasn't been proven as far as I know.
I find that slightly less tension on the octaves of a well set-up lute
works fine if the strings don't have any defects (unfortunately a big 'if'
regarding bass strings).
Best
Matthew
On Mar 1, 2017, at 2:07, Dan Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote:
We now know that the gut octaves must be the same tension as the
fundamentals for the whole system to work sonically & intonationally.
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