Keep in mind that the modern application of "mandola" to a wire-strung tenor instrument tuned G, d, a, e' isn't universal. "Mandola" is also applied to the alto instrument tuned c, g, d', a' in most English-speaking places.
Best, Eugene -----Original Message----- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Alain Veylit Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 11:17 AM To: Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mandolino versus Mandola Thank you Eugene. From having read a variety of sources now, my current understanding is that the mandola is a mandolino with one additional course: i.e. 5-courses when the mandolino had 4, and 6 when the mandolino had 5. It's all relative... Specially if you consider that the modern mandola seems to be a bass mandolin, tuned in fifth one octave down. Yet, at least one piece in the Dalla Casa collection labelled for mandolino requires a 6-course instrument. Anyone Italian who could tell me what the meaning of the word "Gordini" is? (I don't mean the Renault sports car...) Was it a profession? Alain On 12/04/2017 07:40 PM, Braig, Eugene wrote: > I had used a word that the listserv's robot flags as a request instead of a > message. Here remedied with far more words than necessary. > > Eugene > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Braig, Eugene > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 7:39 PM > To: Lutelist > Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: Mandolino versus Mandola > > I'm also quite excited to see this article, Davide, but back issues don't > appear to be available for sale yet, and my university doesn't [pay a fee to > periodically receive editions of] the British journal. > > Some sources attest to the (largely) interchangeable nature of the terms, and > some attest to "mandola" referring to generally larger instruments (e.g., in > both cases, Herre, Susanne. 2012. The mandolin in relation to the lute: a > historical survey. Lute News 104:9–23. In the latter case, Morey, Stephen. > 1993. Mandolins of the 18th Century. Editrice Turris, Cremona. Etc.). I've > seen Orlandi write in at least one place (I don't recall which, but can look > for the reference if you're really curious) that "mandola" may have simply > referred to the addition of the sixth course (i.e., g) as it was becoming > more common following a five-course-dominated tradition. That may be implied > by the Dalla Casa manuscript which gives a "mandolino" tuning in five courses > (i.e., b, e', a', d'', g'') and several works for "mandolino" in that range, > but that also features a "Suonata con Grave" for "mandola" with the melody > line descending below. Etc. . . . But you've already touched on al! l those possibilities, and I suspect from the same sources that I cite here (as well as a couple others), Alain. > > However, I don't want to weigh too heavily upon this topic until I've seen > what Davide has recently published. > > Best, > Eugene > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of Alain Veylit > Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 1:17 PM > To: Davide Rebuffa > Cc: Lutelist > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mandolino versus Mandola > > Thank you Davide, > > I have read this one: "A Partita by Filippo Sauli, theorbo and mandolin > player to the Habsburgs Courtin Wien" with much interest and I am sure your > article in Lute news would be answering some of my questions. I am not sure > however that I will be able to get a copy in the near future. > > > On 12/03/2017 09:41 AM, Davide Rebuffa wrote: >> Dear Alain, >> perhaps it may help you reading my article (The mandolino in the 17th and >> 18th centuries), recently published by the Lute Society: LUTE NEWS Number >> 123 - October 2017. >> >> Best wishes, >> Davide >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Il giorno 03 dic 2017, alle ore 17:38, Alain Veylit >>> <al...@musickshandmade.com> ha scritto: >>> >>> Does anyone know what exact differences existed between the mandolino and >>> the mandola in the 18th century? Were the two terms really interchangeable? >>> Was the mandola just a mandolino with one added bass course? Did they share >>> a common tuning and playing technique? >>> From what I gather from searching the WEB, the answer to those questions >>> would be yes, but I am still puzzled and would like to have the opinion of >>> mandolino/mandola players and instrument makers if at all possible. And >>> maybe also linguists: why two words? >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Alain >>> PS: I have read James Tyler's article on the mandolino in Early Music, >>> 1981, but don't have a copy of his book "The early mandolin". >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> -- > > >
